A 2nd Yom Kippur War? Hamas fighters launch surprise attack

[Arrhidaeus]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/07/world/israel-gaza-attack#israel-gaza-attack
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/07/hamas-launches-attack-on-israel-with-5000-rockets-live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7037QluMhiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob0tpMmT6fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqyfwsQ1GBA

On the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, hamas militants have launched missiles and militants to attack southern towns on the border in what could be described as a surprise probing attack. Militants have allegedly spread throughout several southern border towns attacking police stations and taking hostages. Videos of missile attack aftermath and fighting can be found on twitter but its quite traumatizing. Sources seem to be baffled that the Israeli defense apparatus has let such a widescale reach into Israeli land. There's reports on twitter of hamas fighters arriving on paragliders.

For my opinion, in the short term the barbarity of attacking civilians needs swift retaliation by the Isreali army to bring order and push out the militants. For the long term, Isreali-palestine conflict I'm not sure there's a possible solution at all. The entire area just seems doomed to eternal strife.

[Karakalpaqstan]

Godspeed to Palestine.

[Oceasia]

I'm terrified for the people of Palestine and Israel, especially those in Gaza and southern Israel. I don't think this war will have a happy ending.

[Karakalpaqstan]

I'm terrified for the people of Palestine and Israel, especially those in Gaza and southern Israel. I don't think this war will have a happy ending.

Like Russian people in relation to the military action in Ukraine, the Israeli people overwhelmingly support the military actions against Palestine. In fact, it could be argued that the Israeli people are more fanatical, as evidenced by the sick “viewing parties” held in the town of Sderot, where Israelis set up patio furniture to watch the bombs drop on Palestine.

Why are the Israeli people not maligned nearly as much as the Russian people are?

For reference, in terms of the Israel-Palestine conflict, I am a neutral party.

[Najairadarethu]

I hope Israel's answer will be harder than normal this time. Hamas should never forget the backfire their attack caused. Israel has already officially gone on war footing and is attacking Gaza. Maybe they shouldn't stop before having crushed Hamas completely.

[Najairadarethu]

Why are the Israeli people not maligned nearly as much as the Russian people are?

Because this is an absurdly wrong comparison. But you know what? I won't even discuss with the guys of your kind. I'll rather observe what's coming and let the people sitting on the fence make up their own mind.,..

[Karakalpaqstan]

I hope Israel's answer will be harder than normal this time.

Why? It needs to be proportionate, not harder than usual.

Why are the Israeli people not maligned nearly as much as the Russian people are?

Because this is an absurdly wrong comparison.

How?

But you know what? I won't even discuss with the guys on your kind.

My kind? What’s that supposed to mean?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I hope that this time the billions in military aid will finally pay off and we’ll see the end of HAMAS

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I hope Israel's answer will be harder than normal this time.

Why? It needs to be proportionate, not harder than usual.

Clearly proportional response isn’t enough and Israel can keep accelerating the conflict to a level far more that of HAMAS. So fair play

[The Lone Alliance]

This won't end well.

For reference, in terms of the Israel-Palestine conflict, I am a neutral party.

You endorse the attack in your first post, stop with this pretending to be neutral in these threads, you support Russia, you support Hamas, have the courage to own it.

[The Remote Islands]

As always, the innocent people who live there will still lose.

[Karakalpaqstan]

I hope that this time the billions in military aid will finally pay off and we’ll see the end of HAMAS

It won’t, because it never pays off. A political solution needs to be found.

Why? It needs to be proportionate, not harder than usual.

Clearly proportional response isn’t enough and Israel can keep accelerating the conflict to a level far more that of HAMAS. So fair play

It won’t work, all that will happen is that the Palestinian people will be further and further devastated. Hamas and the Israeli military need to stop their arguing.

[Cerespasia]

It's clear that Palestine is boned.

[Karakalpaqstan]

This won't end well.

For reference, in terms of the Israel-Palestine conflict, I am a neutral party.

You endorse the attack in your first post, stop with this pretending to be neutral in these threads

I endorse the attack? I said “Godspeed to Palestine”. That isn’t endorsing either Israel or Hamas.

you support Russia

Really? I disagree.

Find evidence that I support Russia to support your claim. By the way; not unflinchingly supporting every action Ukraine takes does not equate to supporting Russia.

you support Hamas, have the courage to own it.

No, I don’t. I oppose political Islamist and terrorist groups, and both of those terms apply to Hamas.

[The Lone Alliance]

I hope that this time the billions in military aid will finally pay off and we’ll see the end of HAMAS

It won’t, because it never pays off. A political solution needs to be found.

There is no political solution because neither side has acceptable demands that can be compromised on, Hamas wants everyone in Israel to die so they can have the land back and Israel simply wants to wait the Palestinians out until they give up or leave on their own. And most of the Arab world doesn't care either way anymore.

Palestinians bet on the wrong horse in 1947 and it cost them. West Bank for the most part has realized and accepted it, Hamas is the only one still deluding themselves.

[Thermodolia]

It's clear that Palestine is boned.

Just Gaza. The rest of Palestine (ie the West Bank) has nothing to do with Gaza and Hamas.

Hopefully Israel is able to remove Hamas and the Palestinian Authority is able to take back control of the region.

[Thermodolia]

I hope that this time the billions in military aid will finally pay off and we’ll see the end of HAMAS

It won’t, because it never pays off. A political solution needs to be found.

The peaceful political solution died with the civilians in Sderot. The images are Christchurch level of bad. It’s been compared to the holocaust.

Gaza is done for and unfortunately more will die because of the idiocy of Hamas

[Najairadarethu]

It's clear that Palestine is boned.

Just Gaza. The rest of Palestine (ie the West Bank) has nothing to do with Gaza and Hamas.

Hopefully Israel is able to remove Hamas and the Palestinian Authority is able to take back control of the region.

So you really think they don't support that, even though they are not ruled by Hamas? There are also attacks carried out from the West bank on a regular basis, e.g. from Jenin. Families in Afula on the border to the West bank were told to stay home. So there are connections.

[Velstrania]

It won’t, because it never pays off. A political solution needs to be found.

The peaceful political solution died with the civilians in Sderot. The images are Christchurch level of bad. It’s been compared to the holocaust.

Gaza is done for and unfortunately more will die because of the idiocy of Hamas

The problem we have in this situation is that it will never end until a political solution is found but both sides do things to make a political solution impossible. Hamas is a monster created and fed by the Israeli blockade and subsequent discriminatory policies against the Palestinian people and it is growing harder for them to control. Even if they're smashed like ISIS, until the reason that they became popular and the attitude it created something similar will grow back.

[Thermodolia]

Just Gaza. The rest of Palestine (ie the West Bank) has nothing to do with Gaza and Hamas.

Hopefully Israel is able to remove Hamas and the Palestinian Authority is able to take back control of the region.

So you really think they don't support that, even though they are not ruled by Hamas? There are also attacks carried out from the West bank on a regular basis, e.g. from Jenin.

I hope they don’t.

[Najairadarethu]

So you really think they don't support that, even though they are not ruled by Hamas? There are also attacks carried out from the West bank on a regular basis, e.g. from Jenin.

I hope they don’t.

As I just added to my first answer: Soldiers are patrolling in cities on the border to the West bank, telling the people to stay home.

[Cynedryca]

This is such a mind numbingly stupid decision by HAMAS that it's hard to even comprehend. Like surely this must be some intricate conspiracy or false flag attack because who is braindead enough to open their country to being flattened by Israel?

[The Lone Alliance]

This is such a mind numbingly stupid decision by HAMAS that it's hard to even comprehend. Like surely this must be some intricate conspiracy or false flag attack because who is braindead enough to open their country to being flattened by Israel?

If there's one thing I've come to understand from watching war is that sometimes people will do something out of pure human spite. This could be a group wide suicide attack for all we know, maybe they did this attack fully with the knowledge that they're going to get flattened for it, would explain the brutality.

[Adenburg Reichstat]

I'm terrified for the people of Palestine and Israel, especially those in Gaza and southern Israel. I don't think this war will have a happy ending.

Like Russian people in relation to the military action in Ukraine, the Israeli people overwhelmingly support the military actions against Palestine. In fact, it could be argued that the Israeli people are more fanatical, as evidenced by the sick “viewing parties” held in the town of Sderot, where Israelis set up patio furniture to watch the bombs drop on Palestine.

Why are the Israeli people not maligned nearly as much as the Russian people are?

I wish for the Arab world to stand up once more, to regain what was rightfully their land, to protect their fellow Arabs I wish for Palestine to thrive once more, not be on the back foot, under the iron, and bloody fist of Israel, my Palestineans, rise up! I would love to see you waving the flag over Jerusalem again. And all of those other Arab countries, Egypt, Iran, please, help them regain their freedom, their right to live on their land. City by city, battle by battle, you will reach Jerusalem, and once that flag flies high, I will be in tears for your victory.

[Karakalpaqstan]

This is such a mind numbingly stupid decision by HAMAS that it's hard to even comprehend. Like surely this must be some intricate conspiracy or false flag attack because who is braindead enough to open their country to being flattened by Israel?

If there's one thing I've come to understand from watching war is that sometimes people will do something out of pure human spite.

I’m still waiting for you to explain your claim that I support Russia and Hamas.

I am doubting that you will.