Burned American flag = art?

[Kayliea]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

[The Black Forrest]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

It's a tad more then that.

Consider how they were treated when they got home. All the problems they had and the fact they were a noticeable percentage in homelessness......

[Dyakovo]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Those particular vets "murdered" millions of Vietnamese?

[Kayliea]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Those particular vets "murdered" millions of Vietnamese?

no, but if they were over there then they were part of the problem. none of them belonged there.

[The Tavan Race]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent. However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It represents the man's longing to be part of the old dude's orgy... Am I right?

You are now.

[The Black Forrest]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Those particular vets "murdered" millions of Vietnamese?

no, but if they were over there then they were part of the problem. none of them belonged there.

Well I do know many Vietnamese have moved on. You should too.....

[Dyakovo]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Those particular vets "murdered" millions of Vietnamese?

no, but if they were over there then they were part of the problem. none of them belonged there.

Following orders is a problem? And yes, they did belong there. They were soldiers who were ordered to go there and fight against the NVA and VC.

[The Bleeding Roses]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

[Dyakovo]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

Apparently not...

And even if they were volunteers, that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't their decision for the U.S. to get involved in that conflict.

[Kayliea]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

emigrate to canada

[The Black Forrest]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

[Kayliea]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

plenty back in the day were "enlightened" as well. dodge the draft!

[The Bleeding Roses]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

emigrate to canada

Emigrate? Don't you mean break the law and show one's cowardice?

[The Black Forrest]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

plenty back in the day were "enlightened" as well. dodge the draft!

Towards the end of the war sure.

Do you even know how long we were involved there?

[Kayliea]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

plenty back in the day were "enlightened" as well. dodge the draft!

Towards the end of the war sure.

Do you even know how long we were involved there?

15 years or so?

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

emigrate to canada

Emigrate? Don't you mean break the law and show one's cowardice?

you would've been great at my lai

[Dyakovo]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

plenty back in the day were "enlightened" as well. dodge the draft!

Towards the end of the war sure.

Do you even know how long we were involved there?

15 years or so?

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 10 years.

[The Black Forrest]

15 years or so?

Much longer.

you would've been great at my lai

Why not call him a Nazi and be done with it?

You do know massacres weren't only done by the Americans right?

[The Black Forrest]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

The more "enlightened" youth of today know they would have done it different if they were around back then.

plenty back in the day were "enlightened" as well. dodge the draft!

Towards the end of the war sure.

Do you even know how long we were involved there?

15 years or so?

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 5 years.

We had "advisers" there since the end of WWII. First official death I believe was in 56......

[The Cat-Tribe]

Blaming Vietnam Veterans not just for the Vietnam War, but also for being bitter is not quite like blaming victims for being raped--but it's in the same ballpark. I think that war was wrong, but do not dishonor (let alone villify) everyone who served in it. That is both offensive and stupid.

Can we please return to the topic now?

[Dyakovo]

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 10 years.

We had "advisers" there since the end of WWII. First official death I believe was in 56......

Math error, I corrected my post...
We started sending advisors around 1950 if memory serves me...

[The Bleeding Roses]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

they are arseholes. they fought an unjust war started by false pretences and murdered and harmed millions of vietnamese all to further their country's own political interests.

Ever heard of the draft?

emigrate to canada

Emigrate? Don't you mean break the law and show one's cowardice?

you would've been great at my lai

OOOH! YOU TOLD ME!

[The Black Forrest]

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 10 years.

We had "advisers" there since the end of WWII. First official death I believe was in 56......

Math error, I corrected my post...
We started sending advisors around 1950 if memory serves me...

Well?

I was including the OSS and the CIA guys. But people could argue their effect on the area......

[Dyakovo]

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 10 years.

We had "advisers" there since the end of WWII. First official death I believe was in 56......

Math error, I corrected my post...
We started sending advisors around 1950 if memory serves me...

Well?

I was including the OSS and the CIA guys. But people could argue their effect on the area......

Well what?

[The Black Forrest]

Depending upon what is meant "involved there" you are either over by about 5 years or under by about 10 years.

We had "advisers" there since the end of WWII. First official death I believe was in 56......

Math error, I corrected my post...
We started sending advisors around 1950 if memory serves me...

Well?

I was including the OSS and the CIA guys. But people could argue their effect on the area......

Well what?

There were OSS guys there during WWII and the CIA had guys there even at Dien Bien Phu.....

[Ryadn]

True art is inflammatory.

True art is flammable.

I mean, have you ever tried applying a match to an oil painting? Try it with a Rembrandt. It's fun!

Reminds me of a great scene from The Cheese Monkeys with an installation made of matches spelling the word HOT and affixed with bestine...