Burned American flag = art?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not sure I understand the obsession about burnt flags and how it's such a hot button issue. Is it art? Probably not good art in this case if all there is to see is a burnt flag.

Burnt toast probably counts as art too: Symbolizing the darkness and loss of family in the post-industrial society where parents must start their commute to work without having shared the morning meal or even kissed their family goodbye.....the trail of blackened crumbs representing our disconnection and isolation from each other in this dried out husk of society.

No, not good art at all. But she expressed herself. Granted, she could have chose to be more creative, but meh. A highschooler, I won't ask for much.

[Blouman Empire]

If the person creating it says it's art, it's art. It may be boring, meaningless, unoriginal and pretentious, but that doesn't stop it from being art.

The dump I took in the toilet this morning is art because I claim it to be so.

Mmhm

Oh that's right I have to put it in an exhibition first, then it is art.

Nuh uh

Ah-ha

[Juristonia]

It's artistic expression. So what if people are opposed to it? The artist was obviously trying for that. Art is expression of what the artist wants to express, and clearly they wanted to express something that had to do with a singed American flag. You and others may even be viewing it the wrong way. It's quite possible the display wasn't based on anti-Americanism you know.

Couldn't agree more with this.

[Buffett and Colbert]

If the person creating it says it's art, it's art. It may be boring, meaningless, unoriginal and pretentious, but that doesn't stop it from being art.

The dump I took in the toilet this morning is art because I claim it to be so.

Mmhm

Oh that's right I have to put it in an exhibition first, then it is art.

Nuh uh

Ah-ha

Yuppers

[Rejistania]

Since art no longer has any specified meaning to distinguish it from non-art, it ceased to be meaningful as a word. Therefore, it is and isn't art, but should not be called either.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Wow, props to the school for handling the situation in an enlightened and civil manner.

^This.^

I couldn't agree more.

Otherwise, I think the discussion of "is it art?" is rather silly, particularly given that we are talking about high school level projects.

[Caninope]

What is wrong with you people? I made a pun, therefore the thread should now be about making more puns.

Do we have to flag you down for inciting spam?

At least I'm not flaming anyone.

Well I can see that others are defending this art with a fiery passion.

I think we'll be better able to make a judgement once the smoke clears.

Soot yourself.

I see you aren't fired up.

[Kayliea]

those vets who are for censoring the art are morons, they remind me of the radical muslims who objected to the pictures of mohammed.

[The Bleeding Roses]

those vets who are for censoring the art are morons, they remind me of the radical muslims who objected to the pictures of mohammed.

Censoring?

Last I checked the vets only said the girl is a fucking moron, not that it should be censored...

[Dyakovo]

A friend who may or may not attend the high school depicted showed me this:

Art exhibit shows American flag with burnt edges.

Ironically the VFW sent a Vietnam vet to complain about it. Wasn't Vietnam protecting anyone but Americans, basically?

Basically, is the art disrespecting veterans, or are you inclined to side with the student who created it?

I don't see the problem with it.

[The Tavan Race]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent. However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

[Dyakovo]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent.

It represents every man with a small penis dream to become part of an older man's harem?

However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It's a high school level art project... Do you really expect astonishing genius at that level?

[Lord Tothe]

I do plan to burn a flag on July 4th. I may even film it and post it to youtube. It should be a reminder that it is an action that harms no one, and that any laws that abridge a person's right to use his property as he sees fit in a manner that harms no one else should be considered tyranny. Soldiers supposedly fight for freedom, right? It's a just friggin' piece of cloth, people!

[The Bleeding Roses]

I do plan to burn a flag on July 4th. I may even film it and post it to youtube. It should be a reminder that it is an action that harms no one, and that any laws that abridge a person's right to use his property as he sees fit in a manner that harms no one else should be considered tyranny. Soldiers supposedly fight for freedom, right? It's a just friggin' piece of cloth, people!

COOL BRAH.

SO DAMN COOL.

What ever happened to sparklers and fireworks...

[The Tavan Race]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent.

It represents every man with a small penis dream to become part of an older man's harem?

However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It's a high school level art project... Do you really expect astonishing genius at that level?

Yes. That is clearly the very thing represented in this picture.

No genius is required for art. I've already said that. Art just has to stand for something, without the artist explaining it.

[Dyakovo]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent.

It represents every man with a small penis dream to become part of an older man's harem?

However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It's a high school level art project... Do you really expect astonishing genius at that level?

Yes. That is clearly the very thing represented in this picture.

Barring an explanation from the artist, that's what it looks like to me...

[Drug Using Commies]

The girl is a dumb bitch.

Tell your friend to tell her I said so.

Anything that pisses you off is art.

[The Tavan Race]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent.

It represents every man with a small penis dream to become part of an older man's harem?

However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It's a high school level art project... Do you really expect astonishing genius at that level?

Yes. That is clearly the very thing represented in this picture.

Barring an explanation from the artist, that's what it looks like to me...

I'll cede if you can get someone else to agree with you.

[Drug Using Commies]

I do plan to burn a flag on July 4th. I may even film it and post it to youtube. It should be a reminder that it is an action that harms no one, and that any laws that abridge a person's right to use his property as he sees fit in a manner that harms no one else should be considered tyranny. Soldiers supposedly fight for freedom, right? It's a just friggin' piece of cloth, people!

COOL BRAH.

SO DAMN COOL.

What ever happened to sparklers and fireworks...

Fireworks and sparklers dont fill the cro magnon like yourself who inhabit this country with nearly as much impotent and hilarious rage.

[Drug Using Commies]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent.

It represents every man with a small penis dream to become part of an older man's harem?

However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It's a high school level art project... Do you really expect astonishing genius at that level?

Yes. That is clearly the very thing represented in this picture.

Barring an explanation from the artist, that's what it looks like to me...

I'll cede if you can get someone else to agree with you.

I agree with him. Adam clearly wasn't packin' anything to write home about.

[The Cat-Tribe]

those vets who are for censoring the art are morons, they remind me of the radical muslims who objected to the pictures of mohammed.

Censoring?

Last I checked the vets only said the girl is a fucking moron, not that it should be censored...

From the OP article (emphasis added):

"I don't think it is right, especially at this time of the year," said Larry Bederian, 63, who served with the U.S. Marine Corps in Vietnam and is commander of Franklin Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 3042. "It brings back a lot of hard memories. I think the school's decision to allow the flag in the display was wrong."

Sounds like Mr. Bederian wanted it censored.

[Yukio Hatoyama]

I am of the personal opinion that art should stand on its own when depicting something. If you look at, say, this:

it's fairly obvious what it is supposed to represent. However, the student had to explain what the flag's meaning was (the erosion of the American dream), and until they said that I didn't think that was what it meant.

Ergo, I don't consider it art, but I don't see what all the fuss is about either.

It represents the man's longing to be part of the old dude's orgy... Am I right?

[Dyakovo]

those vets who are for censoring the art are morons, they remind me of the radical muslims who objected to the pictures of mohammed.

Censoring?

Last I checked the vets only said the girl is a fucking moron, not that it should be censored...

From the OP article (emphasis added):

"I don't think it is right, especially at this time of the year," said Larry Bederian, 63, who served with the U.S. Marine Corps in Vietnam and is commander of Franklin Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 3042. "It brings back a lot of hard memories. I think the school's decision to allow the flag in the display was wrong."

Sounds like Mr. Bederian wanted it censored.

Okay, I was wondering if I was the only one to have noticed that...

[Arkinesia]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

[The Bleeding Roses]

What I think is funny is that most of the pissed-off vets are Vietnam vets, and they're bitching about how they defended America.

My question is how did killing people 9,000 miles away defend America?

The spread of soviet influence anywhere is a danger to America.