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Postby Nobel Hobos » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:20 am

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A question Cat-Tribe, if the school decided to put on an exhibition of students art do they get a say on what art piece go into that exhibition or do that have to put all of them in?

What kind of a question is that?

EDIT-- Of course they do. That's been done... since the beginning of time. :meh:


Que? I was wondering if the school had any say on what artworks they wanted representing them or not.

My answer still stands. :meh:

I mean, don't schools often exhibit the best artwork that is submitted? Sometimes, they include everything, but sometimes they don't...


Yes, if they have a lot of submissions they can choose what they think is the best of them. If they have the work of only three students and it doesn't fill the school hall, they need a really good reason to reject the work of one of those students.

High school students can do some very good work. It's worth checking out, because not only do you see the early works of some people who will be famous for their artwork some day, you also see the best work of some people who stop doing art at all when the reality of working-for-a-living hits them.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:23 am

Acycia wrote:For the sake of art it is okay to damage a flag, It was not damaging in a disrespectful manner.
The sake was for art, she wanted to depict it as being war-torn, more realistic, basically she was making the flag more epic, for the sake of art.
And i respect that, it gives the flag a lot more emotion, it can almost show how flag looked after battling beside it.
If I was a veteran I would feel honored.

It was'nt cut to shreds, or painted or or defaced in any way.

Nothing wrong with defacing the flag either, as long as it's yours.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:28 am

Acycia wrote:
It was'nt cut to shreds, or painted or or defaced in any way.


But even if it had been, that could still be a legitimate statement. If you put some other clues in there to say what or who overpainted what it stands for, or defaced it in defiance of what it stands for.

The shock value of the artist obscuring or defacing the symbol could draw attention to details, directing the hostility of the viewer to some target they had not anticipated. Done badly, however, the work would remain a simple expression of disrespect by the artist. Which alone, would not really be art. Just attention-seeking.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Acycia wrote:For the sake of art it is okay to damage a flag, It was not damaging in a disrespectful manner.
The sake was for art, she wanted to depict it as being war-torn, more realistic, basically she was making the flag more epic, for the sake of art.
And i respect that, it gives the flag a lot more emotion, it can almost show how flag looked after battling beside it.
If I was a veteran I would feel honored.

It was'nt cut to shreds, or painted or or defaced in any way.

Nothing wrong with defacing the flag either, as long as it's yours.


I don't get your joke.

EDIT: Oh well, log out then if you're that confused about what you meant. Look: I'm an Australian citizen. That's a substantial personal advantage I have, and I won't give it up lightly. However, I have objections to "my" flag, notably for having the entire fecking British flag within it. I could well claim that the "australian" flag does not represent me nor my country ... so, may I claim particular offence to the burning of an "australian" flag which I consider NOT MINE, while a flag-waving patriot should just accept the burning because it is THEIR flag?

Frankly, I think you're wrong. If it's OK to burn one flag in a particular place, it's OK to burn any flag in that place.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:08 am

Fair enough, even though I don't think its art.

Would Franklin School Department also allow an 'art' gallery displaying a couple of... for example... cartoons drawn of a certain historical figure?
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Postby Greater Phenia » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:48 am

F1-Insanity wrote:Fair enough, even though I don't think its art.

Would Franklin School Department also allow an 'art' gallery displaying a couple of... for example... cartoons drawn of a certain historical figure?


Is there even one example of them putting cartoons in an art gallery?

Of course I get what you're getting at. Cartoons of Mohammed, naturally, and since they wouldn't, you're gonna use this as an example of hypocrisy demonstrating an anti-American, pro-Muslim bias. But you might as well be saying they are discriminating against cartoons themselves for all the substance there is behind that.

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Postby Angleter » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:52 am

It's not art. I have no care for it supposingly being unpatriotic or anything, I just don't believe that you can burn a flag and call it art- I can do that! In the Middle East and India, they do it all the time! Art to me requires skill, intricacy. That's why I consider Damien Hirst's work to be art, but not Tracey Emin and her unmade bed.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:10 pm

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Acycia wrote:For the sake of art it is okay to damage a flag, It was not damaging in a disrespectful manner.
The sake was for art, she wanted to depict it as being war-torn, more realistic, basically she was making the flag more epic, for the sake of art.
And i respect that, it gives the flag a lot more emotion, it can almost show how flag looked after battling beside it.
If I was a veteran I would feel honored.

It was'nt cut to shreds, or painted or or defaced in any way.

Nothing wrong with defacing the flag either, as long as it's yours.


I don't get your joke.

EDIT: Oh well, log out then if you're that confused about what you meant. Look: I'm an Australian citizen. That's a substantial personal advantage I have, and I won't give it up lightly. However, I have objections to "my" flag, notably for having the entire fecking British flag within it. I could well claim that the "australian" flag does not represent me nor my country ... so, may I claim particular offence to the burning of an "australian" flag which I consider NOT MINE, while a flag-waving patriot should just accept the burning because it is THEIR flag?

Frankly, I think you're wrong. If it's OK to burn one flag in a particular place, it's OK to burn any flag in that place.

By yours, I think he meant under your ownership. ;)
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Postby Justorica » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:47 pm

if I have diarrhea and shit on my brain dead cat is that art? No it is not. But I can claim it to be.

The flag is no art. Especially if it;s burnt.

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