We Have to Fix Capitalism!

[Hispida]

this is true!

Then it should be safe to say, any "Socialist" abandoning their position in-favor of National Bolshevikism, were never leftwing at heart.

eh. views, theories, and mindsets change. *motions vaguely towards mao*

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

[Unified Communist Councils]

Then it should be safe to say, any "Socialist" abandoning their position in-favor of National Bolshevikism, were never leftwing at heart.

eh. views, theories, and mindsets change. *motions vaguely towards mao*

If it's a attempt at distancing oneself from Marxist-Leninist, isn't there a hundred different ideologies to buy into, rather than a crypto-fascist project? I tend to be cynical and find it safe to assume the ordinary self-proclaimed NazBol are just too cowardly to admit themselves a NatSoc.

[Hwiteard]

Authoritarian capitalism may be a decent springboard.

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

Uh, that's a form of capitalism. It's also, like communism, completely impossible.

[Unified Communist Councils]

Authoritarian capitalism may be a decent springboard.

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

Uh, that's a form of capitalism. It's also, like communism, completely impossible.

How' that any different from state capitalism or national syndicalism?

[Kubra]

I think we could all spare people the need to reference NazBols if we can just recognize that Stalin's Socialism in One Country was successful patriotic socialism.

it was a policy, not an ideology. marxism-leninism still had a very clearly internationalist bent. it just knew that spreading the revolution willy-nilly without a plan was fucking stupid, as evidenced in hungary, germany, poland, and (at the time) china.

What about stalins speech saying the russians were the real MVP's of ww2 over the rest of the constituent ethnicities

[Reloviskistan]

Capitalism cannot continue forever.
International peaceful revolution is the way forward.
If peace does not work...

[Duvniask]

Then it should be safe to say, any "Socialist" abandoning their position in-favor of National Bolshevikism, were never leftwing at heart.

eh. views, theories, and mindsets change. *motions vaguely towards mao*

Opportunists not revising and obliterating the basics of Marxism challenge (impossible).

[Hispida]

eh. views, theories, and mindsets change. *motions vaguely towards mao*

Opportunists not revising and obliterating the basics of Marxism challenge (impossible).

"Everyone I Don't Like is a Revisionist! A NationStates User's Guide to Online Debate"

[Hwiteard]

How' that any different from state capitalism or national syndicalism?

Authoritarian capitalism differs from state capitalism in that the government merely exists with, and/or incorporates elements of, a market economy, but not engaging in business activity itself. As for national syndicalism, that, as I understand it, is hostile to capitalism.

[Hispida]

How' that any different from state capitalism or national syndicalism?

Authoritarian capitalism differs from state capitalism in that the government merely exists with, and/or incorporates elements of, a market economy, instead of engaging in business activity itself. As for national syndicalism, that, as I understand it, is hostile to capitalism.

what i think you're trying to describe is indian-style dirigisme.

[Random small European state]

Disclaimer: I'm obviously not a Communist, but rather am a (mostly) Conservative US Citizen. Furthermore while this is written in the perspective of saving capitalism, I want to stress that helping people should be done for many reasons, not just for the sake of saving Capitalism.

As the nation I call home progresses into an uncertain future, we are faced with many issues, but one that will more than likely arise due to the vast wealth inequality we face: Communism. Yes, fear of Communism can be a bit of a cliché, and there are many morons on both the American left, right, and center who don't know what Communism, Capitalism, or the dictionary is, and thus make ridiculous assertions calling everything they hate 'Communism' or what have you. So I want to first define Communism: The State seizing the means of production and re-distributing goods to the citizens. It also, and most dangerously, has an end goal of a 'stateless, classless society.'

Although not popular among normal people who don't write their political ideas on the internet (like myself), Communism has gained popularity with the general public and the terrible class divide that plagues our society is inevitably going to lead to some sort of revolution; maybe not a communist revolution, but there is no doubt that the system can't sustain itself the way it is. We are going to end up like the Russian Empire in 1917 if we don't already, and I fear the next stages is going to be Stalin, a central planning board, and lot of (especially economic) freedom evaporated.

Maybe this makes me a bleeding heart liberal, but here are some (admittedly very broad) 'commandments' every nation should follow that would aid in fixing Capitalism:
1) No one, not even Karl Marx, should be homeless. America has thousands of empty buildings, empty malls, etc. that do literally nothing but take up space. (Yes there are some people who will voluntarily be homeless but that is a very, very, very small number)
2) Private Insurance for All or a Public Healthcare Option: Medicine is a human right, and many people don't have jobs that pay for health insurance.
3) (For Democracies) Mandatory public financing of elections only. No one, from a billionaire to a 'small dollar donor' should be paying for your campaign.
4) Helping the needy doesn't hurt the free market. Many libertarian style capitalists think that aforementioned ideas are bad because they 'go against the free market.' It only competes with it, which is key to a free market. And when the govt helps the needy, say with free housing, renters will be incentivized to bring down costs as well.
5) Most importantly: Doing the right thing promotes opportunity! If people have access to human needs, they can, and will thrive for the most part. If you're educated, have a roof over your head, food, water, and healthcare, you are 1000x more likely to start a business, invest, buy a new car, or in some other way contribute to and grow a capitalist system.

I hope this wasn't too long and drawn out of a post. Either way thanks for reading and God bless.

Social Democracy with American characteristics.

[Duvniask]

Opportunists not revising and obliterating the basics of Marxism challenge (impossible).

"Everyone I Don't Like is a Revisionist! A NationStates User's Guide to Online Debate"

You could simply stop supporting the worst sort of treachery and I might like you more.

Mao led a petty bourgeois peasant movement, the explicit program of which was national independence and class collaborationism, reducing the particular demands of the proletariat in favor of the 'general' interests of the new bourgeois state. Whatever the proletariat gains under this so-called "New Democracy", it gains by fighting against it.

[Hwiteard]

Authoritarian capitalism differs from state capitalism in that the government merely exists with, and/or incorporates elements of, a market economy, instead of engaging in business activity itself. As for national syndicalism, that, as I understand it, is hostile to capitalism.

what i think you're trying to describe is indian-style dirigisme.

Like I said...

[Theodorable]

"Everyone I Don't Like is a Revisionist! A NationStates User's Guide to Online Debate"

You could simply stop supporting the worst sort of treachery and I might like you more.

Mao led a petty bourgeois peasant movement, the explicit program of which was national independence and class collaborationism, reducing the particular demands of the proletariat in favor of the 'general' interests of the new bourgeois state. Whatever the proletariat gains under this so-called "New Democracy", it gains by fighting against it.

I love the peasantry.

[Portzania]

this is true!

Then it should be safe to say, any "Socialist" abandoning their position in-favor of National Bolshevikism, were never leftwing at heart.

True I was always just kind of a Ultra Right Neo Feudalist when I abandoned marxist socialism…

[The Black Forrest]

Let it burn and toss anything highly flammable on it.

When you have crap like this going on

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/28/ ... _new_city/

The area in question is farm land. Not much in the way of needed resources. The water in the delta is not really usable. The wife has family up there. They been there a long time. Jack London used to hunt in fish in the area. The family was shocked to read in book talking about Jacks favorite guide which was my wife’s great-grandfather. I digress.

They were keeping on the low because the property isn’t valued that high and they were using strong arm tactics like seeing who has selling ability. Say three people have be involved. Such was a case of the widow who lived and worked the land. She didn’t want to sell. They looked into and found her two kids also were listed and they worked on both to try and get them to go around her. Even bribery is rumored to be in play.

The system is corrupt and favors those already at the top.

[Theodorable]

Then it should be safe to say, any "Socialist" abandoning their position in-favor of National Bolshevikism, were never leftwing at heart.

True I was always just kind of a Ultra Right Neo Feudalist when I abandoned marxist socialism…

neo-feudalists arise (proceed to work 150 days nonstop before resting for the rest of the year)

[Haganham]

True I was always just kind of a Ultra Right Neo Feudalist when I abandoned marxist socialism…

neo-feudalists arise (proceed to work 150 days nonstop before resting for the rest of the year)

*angry medievalist noises*

[James_xenoland]

That isn't fixing it.. It sounds more like replacing it... and with a multi-time failed system at that.

Capitalism, as it is now, is perverted, twisted and broken though.

The current ideology underpinning our stock market system is utterly ruinous. Especially the concept of trading companies as a commodity.. only compounded by the way it's used. Value growth, instead of dividends etc. The reason is that value growth necessitates the disastrous fallacy that is the concept of 'infinite growth'. That is the idea that profit, even a lot of profit, is not enough to be successful to the market or investors. Instead increasing profit is required. Since a share needs to increase in value to be worth buying or holding. Profitable companies go under, get sold off, merge etc. for no other reason than they weren't able and aren't expected to be able to make even greater profit in the near future. This is what is meant by 'inf growth'.. It's a never ending game that can never be won. (so many people on both sides don't understand this) This leads to huge instability in business and main street. As does the handful of loopholes to temporarily halt, or reset the inf drive. Mergers, spin-offs and sell-outs. All usually resulting in major disruption to the companies.

The other major aspect in need of fixing is the rather new concept of 'duty to profit' of public companies. A duty to shareholders to do everything that can be done to increase profit inf. Under this ideology nothing else matters.. Not the product, the name, the public image, the workers or anything else.. just increased profit. This is a perverse and twisted way of thinking about things.. Sure, a company's main goal is to be profitable, but that isn't and shouldn't be the sole concern. This is really a product of the 'companies as a commodity' issue. But takes it one step further by making the worst aspects of it basically mandatory.

Finally. Unrestricted free market trade (i.e. 1st world with 3rd world etc) is a fallacy. It's exporting jobs, in the name of slave labor. There can never be truly free and equal trade between two vastly different countries economically or in terms of development. All but a small handful lose on both sides of unequal attempts. This is an issue really created and pushed by both above issues. Since the market generally views this as a fundamental aspect of 'growth'. Trade should be of things one can't produce.. Not things the market really doesn't want it to produce. (because of cost etc)

Fixing these three things alone would go so far in correcting a lot of the current problems in society. The system as it is now, is only really good at handing us all over to an even more destructive and dangerous ideology. Collectivist/leftist/communist/socialist ideology.

[Serailia]

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

What?

[Serailia]

That isn't fixing it.. It sounds more like replacing it... and with a multi-time failed system at that.

Capitalism, as it is now, is perverted, twisted and broken though.

The current ideology underpinning our stock market system is utterly ruinous. Especially the concept of trading companies as a commodity.. only compounded by the way it's used. Value growth, instead of dividends etc. The reason is that value growth necessitates the disastrous fallacy that is the concept of 'infinite growth'. That is the idea that profit, even a lot of profit, is not enough to be successful to the market or investors. Instead increasing profit is required. Since a share needs to increase in value to be worth buying or holding. Profitable companies go under, get sold off, merge etc. for no other reason than they weren't able and aren't expected to be able to make even greater profit in the near future. This is what is meant by 'inf growth'.. It's a never ending game that can never be won. (so many people on both sides don't understand this) This leads to huge instability in business and main street. As does the handful of loopholes to temporarily halt, or reset the inf drive. Mergers, spin-offs and sell-outs. All usually resulting in major disruption to the companies.

The other major aspect in need of fixing is the rather new concept of 'duty to profit' of public companies. A duty to shareholders to do everything that can be done to increase profit inf. Under this ideology nothing else matters.. Not the product, the name, the public image, the workers or anything else.. just increased profit. This is a perverse and twisted way of thinking about things.. Sure, a company's main goal is to be profitable, but that isn't and shouldn't be the sole concern. This is really a product of the 'companies as a commodity' issue. But takes it one step further by making the worst aspects of it basically mandatory.

Finally. Unrestricted free market trade (i.e. 1st world with 3rd world etc) is a fallacy. It's exporting jobs, in the name of slave labor. There can never be truly free and equal trade between two vastly different countries economically or in terms of development. All but a small handful lose on both sides of unequal attempts. This is an issue really created and pushed by both above issues. Since the market generally views this as a fundamental aspect of 'growth'. Trade should be of things one can't produce.. Not things the market really doesn't want it to produce. (because of cost etc)

Fixing these three things alone would go so far in correcting a lot of the current problems in society. The system as it is now, is only really good at handing us all over to an even more destructive and dangerous ideology. Collectivist/leftist/communist/socialist ideology.

Basically all of what you just said is in line with Marxist critique of capitalism and how it will inevitably collapse on itself in the way you are describing here. Yet for some reason, be it lack of understanding of economic theory or beliefs that previous failed attempts at socialism prove it impossible, you reject the solution.

[Floofybit]

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

Because there's a difference?

[Capitalistopias]

i disagree


xoxo

[Poliski]

Ditch Capitalism and replace it with Free Market.

Because there's a difference?

Technically yes. There is one train of socialist thought that believes removing laws protecting the existence of capitalist institutions will lead to a worker-owned economy. I don't remember the name for the belief but I know it starts with an M.