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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:23 am

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Unmet Player wrote:That what I always thought, I'm not taking anything back.

You just said no hormones for minors, though. So... blockers it is.

No unneccasary hormones or puberty blockers for minors is the stance I've always had.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:23 am

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Necroghastia wrote:I agree - puberty blockers for everyone!

Puberty blockers should only be used for cases of precocious puberty.


So you’re fine with giving dangerous experimental drugs to one group of children but not another?

Sounds like you’re basing things on -sniff- Ideology rather than science.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:24 am

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Necroghastia wrote:You just said no hormones for minors, though. So... blockers it is.

No unneccasary hormones or puberty blockers for minors is the stance I've always had.


But what makes them necessary is an ideological decision.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:26 am

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Unmet Player wrote:No unneccasary hormones or puberty blockers for minors is the stance I've always had.


But what makes them necessary is an ideological decision.

Precicious puberty is more serious than thinking you're the wrong gender, because precicious puberty can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse..
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:26 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You just said no hormones for minors, though. So... blockers it is.

No unneccasary hormones or puberty blockers for minors is the stance I've always had.

Well you can't advocate for the former while still advocating the latter. That's ridiculous.
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But what makes them necessary is an ideological decision.

Precicious puberty is more serious than thinking you're the wrong gender, because precicious puberty can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse..

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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:29 am

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Unmet Player wrote:No unneccasary hormones or puberty blockers for minors is the stance I've always had.

Well you can't advocate for the former while still advocating the latter. That's ridiculous.
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Postby Parmistan » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:30 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
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No. But don't worry, I'm used to you not understanding me.


I'm sorry, but which part of this did I misinterpret?

Ifreann wrote:If people who suffer minor property damage run off to donate to right wing causes then the rational course of action for protesters is to cause much more than minor damage.


There was no context to suggest that you were being ironic, and the follow posts would contradict that anyway.

So either I misinterpreted you, or you said it ironically. But which part did I misinterpret? I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me that condone violence in a protest. How else am I meant to interpret that?

Unless you've changed your stnace since then, which I highly commend you if you have

Or is vandalism only acceptable when your lot does it?


I mean vandalism isn't that big of a deal, grand scheme of things. It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.

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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:32 am

Parmistan wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:
I'm sorry, but which part of this did I misinterpret?



There was no context to suggest that you were being ironic, and the follow posts would contradict that anyway.

So either I misinterpreted you, or you said it ironically. But which part did I misinterpret? I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me that condone violence in a protest. How else am I meant to interpret that?

Unless you've changed your stnace since then, which I highly commend you if you have

Or is vandalism only acceptable when your lot does it?

but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.

And who decides that?
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:32 am

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Necroghastia wrote:Well you can't advocate for the former while still advocating the latter. That's ridiculous.
I can and I will.
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So lemme get this straight - a condition that "can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse" is an acceptable reason for puberty blockers?
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Postby Sannyamathland » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:33 am

Reloviskistan wrote:
Also, why are sports gendered anyway?


Because researchers and scientists across the world almost almost all agree that there is a serious gap in performance levels among the elite level male and female athletes. According to a report published by the Duke University, "there is an average 10-12% performance gap between elite males and elite females. The gap is smaller between elite females and non-elite males, but it’s still insurmountable ". Gendering sports tournaments is the only way to ensure fair competition among the two (yes, there's only two) genders. In come the transwomen and the whole rationality behind this structure gets fucked up. These transwomen demand representation in the women's division, and after being granted so, get unfair advantage over the other competitors.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:33 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Unmet Player wrote: I can and I will.

I do.

So lemme get this straight - a condition that "can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse" is an acceptable reason for puberty blockers?

Yes, and a child thinking their the wrong gender isn't.
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Postby Parmistan » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:34 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Parmistan wrote:but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.

And who decides that?


I hate to break it to you, but questions of moral right and wrong are answered in the heart of whoever is acting. Right and wrong are matters of debate, not fact.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:35 am

Sannyamathland wrote:
Reloviskistan wrote:
Also, why are sports gendered anyway?


Because researchers and scientists across the world almost almost all agree that there is a serious gap in performance levels among the elite level male and female athletes. According to a report published by the Duke University, "there is an average 10-12% performance gap between elite males and elite females. The gap is smaller between elite females and non-elite males, but it’s still insurmountable ". Gendering sports tournaments is the only way to ensure fair competition among the two (yes, there's only two) genders.

Source?
In come the transwomen and the whole rationality behind this structure gets fucked up.

What about the trans men?
These transwomen demand representation in the women's division, and after being granted so, get unfair advantage over the other competitors.

Such an unfair advantage, yes, they're totally dominating, uh huh... :roll:
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:35 am

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Vassenor wrote:
But what makes them necessary is an ideological decision.

Precicious puberty is more serious than thinking you're the wrong gender, because precicious puberty can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse..

You're mistaken. It's clearly not "more serious", and gender dysphoria can lead to anxiety, depression, self-harm, eating disorders, substance misuse and other problems.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:36 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So lemme get this straight - a condition that "can make children more at risk for low self-esteem, depression, and substance abuse" is an acceptable reason for puberty blockers?

Yes, and a child thinking their the wrong gender isn't.

Gender dysphoria fits your given criteria. You simply cannot pretend it doesn't.
Also, *they're
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:37 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Unmet Player wrote:Yes, and a child thinking their the wrong gender isn't.

Gender dysphoria fits your given criteria. You simply cannot pretend it doesn't.
Also, *they're

Most children who claim their the wrong gender don't have gender dysphoria, and even if they do, they shouldn't be given drugs.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:37 am

Necroghastia wrote:...

Source?

...

Here, I assume.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:38 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Gender dysphoria fits your given criteria. You simply cannot pretend it doesn't.
Also, *they're

Most children who claim their the wrong gender don't have gender dysphoria, and even if they do, they shouldn't be given drugs.

Source? Also, *they're
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Postby Sultanate of Turkey » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:38 am

What the fuck have I come back to.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:39 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:...

Source?

...

Here, I assume.

Oh I meant for the "only two genders" bit.
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Postby Parmistan » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:40 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Gender dysphoria fits your given criteria. You simply cannot pretend it doesn't.
Also, *they're

Most children who claim their the wrong gender don't have gender dysphoria, and even if they do, they shouldn't be given drugs.


You're just mad that you accidentally gave criteria that Gender Dysphoria meets, and now you're backpedaling to avoid admitting it's a legitimate thing.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:40 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Here, I assume.

Oh I meant for the "only two genders" bit.

Oh, understandable.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:42 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Unmet Player wrote:Most children who claim their the wrong gender don't have gender dysphoria, and even if they do, they shouldn't be given drugs.

Source? Also, *they're

This might be good.
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Postby Sannyamathland » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:43 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Sannyamathland wrote:
Because researchers and scientists across the world almost almost all agree that there is a serious gap in performance levels among the elite level male and female athletes. According to a report published by the Duke University, "there is an average 10-12% performance gap between elite males and elite females. The gap is smaller between elite females and non-elite males, but it’s still insurmountable ". Gendering sports tournaments is the only way to ensure fair competition among the two (yes, there's only two) genders.

Source?
In come the transwomen and the whole rationality behind this structure gets fucked up.

What about the trans men?
These transwomen demand representation in the women's division, and after being granted so, get unfair advantage over the other competitors.

Such an unfair advantage, yes, they're totally dominating, uh huh... :roll:

Here is the source: https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/

There are several other real life examples. Too many to actually list really. One of the most famous ones is the case of the Australian national 'soccer' (ugh, I hate this word) team being thrashed by a bunch of 15 year old boys to a score of 7-0.

Also, have you even read what I just said? Biological women are already at a disadvantage when it comes to elite level sports. So transmen participating in men's tournament will provide them no additional advantage, unlike the case with transwomen.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:48 am

Sannyamathland wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Source?

What about the trans men?

Such an unfair advantage, yes, they're totally dominating, uh huh... :roll:

Here is the source: https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/

That's not a source that there are only two genders.
There are several other real life examples. Too many to actually list really. One of the most famous ones is the case of the Australian national 'soccer' (ugh, I hate this word) team being thrashed by a bunch of 15 year old boys to a score of 7-0.

So... not trans women.
Also, have you even read what I just said? Biological women are already at a disadvantage when it comes to elite level sports. So transmen participating in men's tournament will provide them no additional advantage, unlike the case with transwomen.

Right, that's why across the board every sport has seen trans women take all of the top slots.

...Wait.
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