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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Mon May 31, 2010 4:17 pm

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They also had at least two guns as well I believe you can see one in the first frame. Unlike paintball guns slingshots have actually been used by various armies.


You believe ? No gun was shown in the video, afaik, just watch it again...

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Postby Gasthor » Mon May 31, 2010 4:18 pm

yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 31, 2010 4:19 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:Again: How can people ignore this and still go on in calling those people innocent?


• Ship to Gaza Sweden/Greece is a Swedish initiative led by Dror Feiler and others, involving Swedish radicals in the arts, government and academy, including members of the Communist party. It should be remembered that it was Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper that ran a libelous story in August 2009 claiming Israel kills Palestinians to harvest organs for trafficking. The story fueled a wave of related anti-Semitic libels throughout the Arab world.

Since you bring it up and call it libelous:
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

It's not libelous if it's the truth as confirmed by Israel. (And the original story never said that Israel killed Palestinians to harvest organs for trafficking.)
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon May 31, 2010 4:19 pm

Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause...

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Postby Vervaria » Mon May 31, 2010 4:19 pm

Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

Because giving aid to Palestinian civilians who desperately need it = aiding Hezbollah (EPIC LOL at the last by the way)
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Mon May 31, 2010 4:20 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Actually. I have only dismissed you and Franberry. You, because you seemed quite outraged, rather than reasoned (and also did put down the San Remo manual without even telling what is wrong with it) and Franberry, because of his apparent bias and because he did not dismiss it but only said "it's wrong dude. Next".


If you´re so fimiliar with the San Remo manual (I´ve studied it meanwhile too), then it would clearly no problem for you to explain, at which point in your opinion this act of piracy is justified...


I already did 5-6 pages earlier. I am really not in the mood to post it again.


No, you didn´t; but you always quoted said "San Remo manual", so please show, where to find the passage that justifies the Israelian acting, I couldn´t find it, you know ?


Mate. I posted the whole package of blockade rules.


You might have "posted" it, but obviously you didn´t read it, so again, please tell me about the part where the Israelian pirating action is justified.

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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 31, 2010 4:21 pm

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South Norwega wrote:Eh. Both sides are twats here.

The blockade isn't Israeli. It's multinational. The Egyptian government is participating, and accepts the necessity of the blockade.

Regardless, Israel should increase their own shipments of aid, but people who go charging in with boats full of stuff into a conflict zone are asking for something. It's not their job, it's the job of Israel, the UN, and Egypt to provide aid, and other groups to convince them to do so.

Blah blah, I suspect the conflict was initiated by the protesters, because that's what almost always actually happens.


Egypt doesn't accept the necessity of blockade - they accept the political justification. That might change in the face of this kind of thing.

They buckled under the pressure when the walls were broken through a year or two ago. And considering their feelings for Hamas, I doubt they'll change their policy...
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Postby Vonners » Mon May 31, 2010 4:21 pm

Vervaria wrote:
Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

Because giving aid to Palestinian civilians who desperately need it = aiding Hezbollah (EPIC LOL at the last by the way)


Hamas not Hezbollah...
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Postby Vervaria » Mon May 31, 2010 4:21 pm

Vonners wrote:
Vervaria wrote:
Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

Because giving aid to Palestinian civilians who desperately need it = aiding Hezbollah (EPIC LOL at the last by the way)


Hamas not Hezbollah...

Hence my epic lol, he's the one who said Hezbollah.
Lulz: viewtopic.php?p=2707685#p2707685
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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 31, 2010 4:22 pm

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Eugene Zolo wrote:
They also had at least two guns as well I believe you can see one in the first frame. Unlike paintball guns slingshots have actually been used by various armies.


You believe ? No gun was shown in the video, afaik, just watch it again...

Well the IDF claims...

According to reports from sea, on board the flotilla that was attempting to break the maritime closure on the Gaza Strip, IDF forces apprehended two violent activists holding pistols. The violent activists took these pistols from IDF forces and apparently opened fire on the soldiers as evident by the empty pistol magazines.

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Postby Vonners » Mon May 31, 2010 4:23 pm

Vervaria wrote:
Vonners wrote:
Vervaria wrote:
Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

Because giving aid to Palestinian civilians who desperately need it = aiding Hezbollah (EPIC LOL at the last by the way)


Hamas not Hezbollah...

Hence my epic lol, he's the one who said Hezbollah.


oh pance. LOL

Still I read Gasthor's post as being rather sarcastic towards the like of Parthenon et al...
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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 31, 2010 4:23 pm

Vonners wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Vonners wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Actually. I have only dismissed you and Franberry. You, because you seemed quite outraged, rather than reasoned (and also did put down the San Remo manual without even telling what is wrong with it) and Franberry, because of his apparent bias and because he did not dismiss it but only said "it's wrong dude. Next".


If you´re so fimiliar with the San Remo manual (I´ve studied it meanwhile too), then it would clearly no problem for you to explain, at which point in your opinion this act of piracy is justified...


I already did 5-6 pages earlier. I am really not in the mood to post it again.


No, you didn´t; but you always quoted said "San Remo manual", so please show, where to find the passage that justifies the Israelian acting, I couldn´t find it, you know ?


Mate. I posted the whole package of blockade rules.

Is Israel at war with Turkey?


Didn't you get the circular? Been going on for yonks that has...

I never get those. I feel left out now :(


Well shame on you for not listening to the secret voices that some of our posters here seem to be able to pick up on...

*Goes to the corner and does the sad tapdance of shame*
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Postby Vervaria » Mon May 31, 2010 4:24 pm

Vonners wrote:
Vervaria wrote:
Vonners wrote:
Vervaria wrote:
Gasthor wrote:yeah cause giving aid to Hezbollah is a legitimate cause... god Israel is such a bad country its not like Palestine is shelling them all hours of the day or anything.

Because giving aid to Palestinian civilians who desperately need it = aiding Hezbollah (EPIC LOL at the last by the way)


Hamas not Hezbollah...

Hence my epic lol, he's the one who said Hezbollah.


oh pance. LOL

Still I read Gasthor's post as being rather sarcastic towards the like of Parthenon et al...

Eh, this is NSG, the things people believe will never cease to amaze.
Lulz: viewtopic.php?p=2707685#p2707685
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Mon May 31, 2010 4:24 pm

Minotzia wrote:No one here is complaining about the Marxist pigs in India who slaughter entire villages daily, yet of course Israel should be bashed for aggressive expansionism. Israel is a state that has made technological, industrial, social, and military progress, and handled its allocation of government resources well. People in Israel deserve the land that Palestinians claim, if you want a historical parallel, look to how the North American indians did not use the land productively and were wiped out. Expansionism is good when you're removing an obvious block to economic or political growth.

Welcome to Nazi-Germany then, they used to use the same arguements...

I´d say, this post has made you a candidate for my ignore-list, a goal which even self-esteem couldn´t achieve...

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Postby Eugene Zolo » Mon May 31, 2010 4:25 pm

Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote:
They also had at least two guns as well I believe you can see one in the first frame. Unlike paintball guns slingshots have actually been used by various armies.


You believe ? No gun was shown in the video, afaik, just watch it again...


Chairs also weren't shown yet they were used in the attack. The soldiers were shot at during the attack, I'm not saying that there were any guns in the cargo they were transporting, however.

Edit: Apparently pistols were taken from the Israeli soldiers.

Coffin can you please tell me the humanitarian purposes of things among the cargo such as slingshots?
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Postby Juristonia » Mon May 31, 2010 4:26 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:Again: How can people ignore this and still go on in calling those people innocent?


• Ship to Gaza Sweden/Greece is a Swedish initiative led by Dror Feiler and others, involving Swedish radicals in the arts, government and academy, including members of the Communist party. It should be remembered that it was Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper that ran a libelous story in August 2009 claiming Israel kills Palestinians to harvest organs for trafficking. The story fueled a wave of related anti-Semitic libels throughout the Arab world.

Since you bring it up and call it libelous:
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

It's not libelous if it's the truth as confirmed by Israel. (And the original story never said that Israel killed Palestinians to harvest organs for trafficking.)


Obviously a biased, Jew hating source!
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Karsol wrote:Ship to Gaza had a couple of boats going to Gaza with humanitarian aid and was attacked on international waters this morning and is still going on. The number of deaths is not confirmed, Israel said that they killed 4 but it's reported to be between 16-19 kills, how many wounded is unknown. Israel says that they wanted to stop the boat because in Gaza they don't need help, everything is fine there. Why violence broke out, no one knows. The Israelis say that they were attacked by the activists, but Swedish radio has been in contact with the Swedes on board and say that it's not correct and that they are not armed. A lot of different nationalities are participating, amongst those a group of Swedes including the prolific writer Henning Mankell.
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Postby Iyndolen » Mon May 31, 2010 4:26 pm

Juristonia wrote:ITT: Delivering aid to an impoverished region is now officially considered Middle Eastern terrorism, even if the people delivering the aid are Europeans.

This is starting to look like a M. Night Shyamalan movie script.


Recent Coalition military reports indicate as much as sixty percent of all terrorist fought and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are not middle eastern by decent.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Mon May 31, 2010 4:27 pm

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Self--Esteem wrote:Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?


They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!


The Qassam rocket certainly wasn't a significant weapon. The terrorizing effect of ANY rocket accounts for how significant rocket attacks seem to Israelis.

The newer rockets (based on the Russian Katyusha) have a much longer range and almost twice the payload. The Chinese WS-1E which they've used has a range of 40km and an even bigger payload.

I agree that the number of Palestinians killed by Israel to 'stop rocket attacks' is way out of proportion to the number of Israelis killed by rockets. But if I was living in Israel, where they have public alerts to try to save lives whenever a rocket is heading near them, I'd be thoroughly aggravated by them and very concerned about better rockets in the future.

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.


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Thing is, the militants who expect the destruction of Israel aren't going to win. So they stay terrorists.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon May 31, 2010 4:28 pm

Good thing Israel killed those aid workers they could have saved someone.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon May 31, 2010 4:29 pm

Iyndolen wrote:
Juristonia wrote:ITT: Delivering aid to an impoverished region is now officially considered Middle Eastern terrorism, even if the people delivering the aid are Europeans.

This is starting to look like a M. Night Shyamalan movie script.


Recent Coalition military reports indicate as much as sixty percent of all terrorist fought and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are not middle eastern by decent.


That's nice, however, completely irrelevant to the claims of middle eastern terrorists I was replying to.
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Postby Vervaria » Mon May 31, 2010 4:29 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:Good thing Israel killed those aid workers they could have saved someone.

Win.
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Postby Vonners » Mon May 31, 2010 4:29 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Vonners wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Vonners wrote:
Gravlen wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Actually. I have only dismissed you and Franberry. You, because you seemed quite outraged, rather than reasoned (and also did put down the San Remo manual without even telling what is wrong with it) and Franberry, because of his apparent bias and because he did not dismiss it but only said "it's wrong dude. Next".


If you´re so fimiliar with the San Remo manual (I´ve studied it meanwhile too), then it would clearly no problem for you to explain, at which point in your opinion this act of piracy is justified...


I already did 5-6 pages earlier. I am really not in the mood to post it again.


No, you didn´t; but you always quoted said "San Remo manual", so please show, where to find the passage that justifies the Israelian acting, I couldn´t find it, you know ?


Mate. I posted the whole package of blockade rules.

Is Israel at war with Turkey?


Didn't you get the circular? Been going on for yonks that has...

I never get those. I feel left out now :(


Well shame on you for not listening to the secret voices that some of our posters here seem to be able to pick up on...

*Goes to the corner and does the sad tapdance of shame*


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Postby Nobel Hobos » Mon May 31, 2010 4:32 pm

Man, I'm sure glad I'm not a Marxist pig in India. That's worse than being a Zionist pirate.
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Postby Vervaria » Mon May 31, 2010 4:33 pm

Nobel Hobos wrote:Man, I'm sure glad I'm not a Marxist pig in India. That's worse than being a Zionist pirate.

Well you see, if the Zionist pirates only pray on Palestinian supporters, it's all good, because they're not important.
Lulz: viewtopic.php?p=2707685#p2707685
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Self--Esteem wrote:No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

Novistranaya wrote:After the Civil War, the majority of Southerners were more than happy to accept defeat and acknowledge the fact that (though not immediately) blacks were going to have the same rights as them.

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