Israel attacks Aid workers (Israel megathred)

[Utvara]

Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?

They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!

*Israel responds by bombing a school, hospital, and apartment block, killing hundreds of innocents.*

WHY DO YOU FORCE OUR HAND, EVIL MOSLEMS!?

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.

[Juristonia]

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

That's because we're evil Jew haters who refuse to look at his facts.

[Self--Esteem]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

[Jervak]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Oh look, a Zionist.

The people on the flotilla were carrying absolutely no weapons therefore innocent civilians.
Source

[Vervaria]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

.... You know, I really thought you were smart enough not to confirm my point with your next reply.

[Self--Esteem]

Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?

They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!

*Israel responds by bombing a school, hospital, and apartment block, killing hundreds of innocents.*

WHY DO YOU FORCE OUR HAND, EVIL MOSLEMS!?

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.

Great dude.

Keep ignoring that they also hit their own people. That's what you obviously know best. Ignoring things and posing as a humanist.

[Self--Esteem]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

.... You know, I really thought you were smart enough not to confirm my point with your next reply.

What did I confirm? That people are literaly mad? That it is mad to give in to terrorism? Or even trying to defend it?

[Nobel Hobos]

I would much rather that the jews didn't have this speck of land, due to since having this piece of land, middle eastern terrorism has shot through the roof. Ever since the creation of this small and minute country after wwii, the middle east has become a hot spot that gets worse and worse every year.
Quite frankly, middle eastern politics would be greatly simplified if israel were turned into 1) a glass crater 2) a completely palestian state (they were there first. period.) 3) a UN controlled terrority that belongs to no one.

I support the second option, follow by the first, followed by the third.

Israel didn't make the middle east a hotspot, oil did.

Edit: Once the money runs dry they are back to being nomadic herders.

Did you.. honestly just imply the people in middle east were just nomadic herders?

Ever see the 1962 classic Lawrence of Arabia? Yes, the middle east was actually that pathetic until they realized they were sitting on liquid gold.

I thought you had me on ignore.
Also, you're so beyond clueless on the history of the region it is absolutely mind boggling.
The middle east had a very rich culture and civilisation when we were all still sitting around in our own feces.
The place didn't go to hell until WW1.

Rich culture or not, still third world by western standards.

Except that there was no western standard yet since we were barely able to start a fire while they already advancing to literature and inventing things like the wheel.
Seriously, read a book. The middle east brought us some of the first advanced civilisations in the history of our species.

There's no point arguing that line with Parthenon. America>Everyone else, period, no matter what, is a long stated belief of his on this forum.

Absolutely. The ugliest characterization of US imperialism.

Luckily, the real-world United States doesn't behave as arrogantly and vainly as Parthenon would have it. The whole world would be radioactive rubble if it did. And of course, Parthenon would be down in the bunker with the President because he comes from such a distinguished family and would be such good company for the 80+ years they have to wait for things to cool down. Plus, they're going to need a lawyer to write the new constitution.

[Coffin-Breathe]

Most sea going vessels have a gun storage...especially cargo ships.

I really doubt that.

And, moreover, I REALLY doubt that the automatic reaction of a normal humanitarian envoy is to begin shooting at the authorities once boarded.

I´d say, if my intention is to shoot on someone coming down a rope, I wouldn´t miss to often, especially if I were a trained "activist" or "terrorist"...

[Trippoli]

Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?

They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!

*Israel responds by bombing a school, hospital, and apartment block, killing hundreds of innocents.*

WHY DO YOU FORCE OUR HAND, EVIL MOSLEMS!?

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.

Great dude.

Keep ignoring that they also hit their own people. That's what you obviously know best. Ignoring things and posing as a humanist.

Hit how? Spank them?

[Vervaria]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

.... You know, I really thought you were smart enough not to confirm my point with your next reply.

What did I confirm? That people are literaly mad? That it is mad to give in to terrorism? Or even trying to defend it?

That you love burning strawman effigies of anyone who disagrees with you....

[Self--Esteem]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Oh look, a Zionist.

The people on the flotilla were carrying absolutely no weapons therefore innocent civilians.
Source

Then why the heck do all video sources disagree with that?

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Are you seriously comparing late 1800's ME to the fucking Sumerians?

Considering we're talking about the history before the area turned to shit, take a wild guess, genius.

The area has always been a conflict zone, it was exacerbated by the influx of oil money. What the hell point are you trying to make? That in 1000BC they had the same technological level that they did in 1850?

The point I'm making is that your view on the history of the region is so beyond inaccurate it's not even funny anymore.

Please, the middle east maxed out technologically just about the time the Mohammad was born...

I presume this was before they preserved all the Western technological developments and made a number of medical and scientific advancements?

[Grave_n_idle]

Eh. Both sides are twats here.

The blockade isn't Israeli. It's multinational. The Egyptian government is participating, and accepts the necessity of the blockade.

Regardless, Israel should increase their own shipments of aid, but people who go charging in with boats full of stuff into a conflict zone are asking for something. It's not their job, it's the job of Israel, the UN, and Egypt to provide aid, and other groups to convince them to do so.

Blah blah, I suspect the conflict was initiated by the protesters, because that's what almost always actually happens.

Egypt doesn't accept the necessity of blockade - they accept the political justification. That might change in the face of this kind of thing.

[Juristonia]

ITT: Delivering aid to an impoverished region is now officially considered Middle Eastern terrorism, even if the people delivering the aid are Europeans.

This is starting to look like a M. Night Shyamalan movie script.

[Self--Esteem]

Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?

They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!

*Israel responds by bombing a school, hospital, and apartment block, killing hundreds of innocents.*

WHY DO YOU FORCE OUR HAND, EVIL MOSLEMS!?

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.

Great dude.

Keep ignoring that they also hit their own people. That's what you obviously know best. Ignoring things and posing as a humanist.

Hit how? Spank them?

For instance. They had their own power generator, before Hamas "accidently" blew it after a rocket attack.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

Yeah, I don't want to be "blown by a nuke." So how do you plan to stop China from doing it?

[Vervaria]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Oh look, a Zionist.

The people on the flotilla were carrying absolutely no weapons therefore innocent civilians.
Source

Then why the heck do all video sources disagree with that?

Lawn chairs = weapons.

[Utvara]

Seriously. What is up with you all? Do you like supporting enemies of the west and insulting people who come up with actual evidence, rather than paranoid sayings about how Israel is the blight of the world?

Tell me again how the participants of this flotilla are enemies of the west?

Kurt Wallander is quite entertaining and not particularly subversive, I'll have you know.

...a few dozen of European politicians will be very amused to see them called "enemys of the west", too...(two of them were from Germany, btw)

It's quite interesting how Self-Esteem loves generalizing and smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

No. I love smearing those people who evidently like their country blown by a nuke and who are too foolish to realise that middle-eastern terrorism is nothing to be fond of.

.... You know, I really thought you were smart enough not to confirm my point with your next reply.

What did I confirm? That people are literaly mad? That it is mad to give in to terrorism? Or even trying to defend it?

The African National Congress was considered a terrorist organization, too.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Good thing all those weapons never got to Palestine. They might have started a state-wide rave.
http://www.sismakinasikiralama.com/sis_ ... ombasi.htm

[Coffin-Breathe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&playnext_from=TL&videos=ssf8hIF90Ao&feature=sub

If Israel is calling that a weapons cache, they've got a couple of screws loose.

Btw, I couldn´t find any guns, why didn´t they show them, if some were found ?
You find more and more dangerous weapons at every better soccerplay in Europe...

[Trippoli]

Are you seriously ignoring that they show up on every major terrorist list and that there exist thousands of videos showing them firing rockets?

They're terrorist because they're a vastly outgunned opposition to an occupying force? OH NO, THE ROCKET ATTACKS! SOMETIMES THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND EVERY NOW AND THEN KILL A FEW ISRAELIS!

*Israel responds by bombing a school, hospital, and apartment block, killing hundreds of innocents.*

WHY DO YOU FORCE OUR HAND, EVIL MOSLEMS!?

Criticizing a people at war for their survival for using the means available to them is the equivalent of British generals bitching because the American Revolutionaries just wouldn't man up and meet them on the open field of battle like honorable gentlemen.

Great dude.

Keep ignoring that they also hit their own people. That's what you obviously know best. Ignoring things and posing as a humanist.

Hit how? Spank them?

For instance. They had their own power generator, before Hamas "accidently" blew it after a rocket attack.

So Islamic Palestine isn't the enemy, just the dickhead minority group that lives there.

[Jervak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&playnext_from=TL&videos=ssf8hIF90Ao&feature=sub

If Israel is calling that a weapons cache, they've got a couple of screws loose.

Btw, I couldn´t find any guns, why didn´t they show them, if some were found ?
You find more and more dangerous weapons at every better soccerplay in Europe...

My guess is when the boats are being towed to Israeli ports the government will try and plot up some fake evidence.

[Coffin-Breathe]

It is not irreleverant when your directly asserting that a knife and axe are essential to the operation of a ship despite clearly not being essential to a ships operation.

Well then, fireaxes are dictated on board for (in case of) fighting fires, and what knives are for, I guess I don´t have to specify (for cutting meals, for example)...

Army knives are used for the preparation of meals?

Well, I do, when on the road; and I remember the time, when I worked as a chef, we had pretty sharp one to two foot-long blades in the kitchen, could be used to shave...

[Vervaria]

It is not irreleverant when your directly asserting that a knife and axe are essential to the operation of a ship despite clearly not being essential to a ships operation.

Well then, fireaxes are dictated on board for (in case of) fighting fires, and what knives are for, I guess I don´t have to specify (for cutting meals, for example)...

Army knives are used for the preparation of meals?

Well, I do, when on the road; and I remember the time, when I worked as a chef, we had pretty sharp one to two foot-long blades in the kitchen, could be used to shave...

We have kitchen knives here that could be used to kill someone without a massive amount of effort, clearly we intend to murder people right?