National Guard: Gay Iraq veteran must leave service

[Parthenon]

How is this a story? Its a well documented policy in don't ask don't tell and hundreds of like instances of people being discharged for open homosexuality have occurred. How damn hard is it for a person to keep their mouth closed for a few years...

[Greater Americania]

I support this occurance.

[South East Europe]

Well, I say good. Why should homosexuals and bisexuals have to die when there are plenty of heterosexuals to do that for us?

[Constans]

How is this a story? Its a well documented policy in don't ask don't tell and hundreds of like instances of people being discharged for open homosexuality have occurred. How damn hard is it for a person to keep their mouth closed for a few years...

I really cannot say more than this. Such as been my entire point from my first post to my most recent.

[Antilon]

How is this a story? Its a well documented policy in don't ask don't tell and hundreds of like instances of people being discharged for open homosexuality have occurred. How damn hard is it for a person to keep their mouth closed for a few years...

Because it's got nothing to do with repressing and discriminating against homosexuals on a ridiculous homophobic basis, right?

Please, give me a good reason why soldiers shouldn't declare themselves to be homosexual? Because it could compromise military operation and interfere with judgement? You know what, I think that soldiers who declare themselves to be Christian shouldn't be sent to Iraq because they could compromise military operations by instigating the local populace.

[Enadail]

I really cannot say more than this. Such as been my entire point from my first post to my most recent.

Again I'll state and maybe you'll actually respond, but why should heterosexuals get to declare their sexuality while homosexuals cannot?

[Free Outer Eugenia]

How is this a story? Its a well documented policy in don't ask don't tell and hundreds of like instances of people being discharged for open homosexuality have occurred. How damn hard is it for a person to keep their mouth closed for a few years...

So an outrage is not worth talking about simply because it has been enshrined in official policy for a few years?

[Constans]

I really cannot say more than this. Such as been my entire point from my first post to my most recent.

Again I'll state and maybe you'll actually respond, but why should heterosexuals get to declare their sexuality while homosexuals cannot?

I must have missed your post. Anyways. I don't believe that heterosexuals should be allowed to declare their sexual beliefs just as homosexuals shouldn't either. As I've said before, sex has no place in the military. You’re in the armed forces to defend our country, not for a dating service.

In my own personal opinion, I do think the DADT law should be extended to all sexualities, not just one. Have your personal life, however, don't bring it in with your service.

[Parthenon]

How is this a story? Its a well documented policy in don't ask don't tell and hundreds of like instances of people being discharged for open homosexuality have occurred. How damn hard is it for a person to keep their mouth closed for a few years...

So an outrage is not worth talking about simply because it has been enshrined in official policy for a few years?

How is this an outrage? It seems to me to be more of a case of stupidity by a man that knew the policy yet blatantly disobeyed it,

[Free Outer Eugenia]

The policy itself is an outrage. For one thing, it is demoralizing for a soldier to constantly live in fear of exposure. The homophobic policies of the US armed forces have a far more negative effect on troop morale than allowing gays to serve openly ever could.

[Parthenon]

The policy itself is an outrage. For one thing, it is demoralizing for a soldier to constantly live in fear of exposure. The homophobic policies of the US armed forces have a far more negative effect on troop morale than allowing gays to serve openly ever could.

Sexual orientation has no place in the military whatsoever.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

So does this mean I can get a free education, courtesy of the military, then, think REALLY hard about porn during the physical and get kicked out of the army? Or just suddenly, during the swearing in, start screaming "IM GAY! YES, I AM GAY! GAY GAY GAY! I AM SO HOMOSEXUAL THAT THE VERY SIGHT OF WOMEN MAKES ME BREAK OUT IN HIVES. SAY THERE, OFFICER, WHAT'CHOO DOIN' TONIGHT? WANNA COME TO MY HOUSE AND HAVE A GAY ORGY? THERE'S A GOAT SACRIFICE AFTERWARD AND THEN WE DRINK THE BLOOD OF CHRISTIAN BABIES."

[Ryadn]

I really cannot say more than this. Such as been my entire point from my first post to my most recent.

Again I'll state and maybe you'll actually respond, but why should heterosexuals get to declare their sexuality while homosexuals cannot?

I must have missed your post. Anyways. I don't believe that heterosexuals should be allowed to declare their sexual beliefs just as homosexuals shouldn't either. As I've said before, sex has no place in the military. You’re in the armed forces to defend our country, not for a dating service.

In my own personal opinion, I do think the DADT law should be extended to all sexualities, not just one. Have your personal life, however, don't bring it in with your service.

Unless it's about God. Then, by all means, bring it in with your service! Because religion is innate and sexuality isn't. We can tell because all animals have concepts of religion, but only humans are sexual creatures.

...wait...

[Enadail]

Have your personal life, however, don't bring it in with your service.

So I suppose we should also outlaw talking about hobbies, where you're from, likes/dislikes... none of those fit into the military either, do they? Perhaps we should simply outlaw talking about anything not directly pertinent to the military. Because of course, unit cohesion and trusting your fellow soldiers relies strictly on whats going on in the battlefield.

At what point does this stop being a good idea and just become silly?

[Parthenon]

So does this mean I can get a free education, courtesy of the military, then, think REALLY hard about porn during the physical and get kicked out of the army? Or just suddenly, during the swearing in, start screaming "IM GAY! YES, I AM GAY! GAY GAY GAY! I AM SO HOMOSEXUAL THAT THE VERY SIGHT OF WOMEN MAKES ME BREAK OUT IN HIVES. SAY THERE, OFFICER, WHAT'CHOO DOIN' TONIGHT? WANNA COME TO MY HOUSE AND HAVE A GAY ORGY? THERE'S A GOAT SACRIFICE AFTERWARD AND THEN WE DRINK THE BLOOD OF CHRISTIAN BABIES."

Military funded university tuition is granted by means of a contract. If you breach this contract you are responsible for paying back the tuition in full under threat of litigation.

[Constans]

Unless it's about God. Then, by all means, bring it in with your service! Because religion is innate and sexuality isn't. We can tell because all animals have concepts of religion, but only humans are sexual creatures.

...wait...

So I suppose we should also outlaw talking about hobbies, where you're from, likes/dislikes... none of those fit into the military either, do they? Perhaps we should simply outlaw talking about anything not directly pertinent to the military. Because of course, unit cohesion and trusting your fellow soldiers relies strictly on whats going on in the battlefield.

You both are simply taking my answers to an extreme that does not share my stated opinion on the matter, in order to justify your own point. I simply stated that the DADT laws should be extended to reduce any sexual talks in the military. Rather than have it repelled and start a host of problems as more people come out.

Would you rather have gay-related beatings in the military, or would you rather have the entire question of sexual beliefs taken out of the picture? It has nothing to do about religion or bonding, which is where the both of you are taking it in order to justify your opinions; it only has to do with sex.

[Maurepas]

I think Obama's response has been typical and understandable, but intolerable. This is not a small side issue that can wait for another day. This is affecting national security.

Exactly, and I really dont get it, He is the Commander-In-Chief it is His Military, why he doesnt just sign an executive order ending it all, is beyond me...

[Maurepas]

Would you rather have gay-related beatings in the military, or would you rather have the entire question of sexual beliefs taken out of the picture? It has nothing to do about religion or bonding, which is where the both of you are taking it in order to justify your opinions; it only has to do with sex.

I would rather have the beatings, and the perpetrators punished severely, when the ones doing the beatings are the ones being discharged, they will stop quickly...

Not to mention, I dont care if my Military Men and Women are discussing sex, Id rather them not have to be afraid and pent up when they go into battle...

[Ryadn]

You both are simply taking my answers to an extreme that does not share my stated opinion on the matter, in order to justify your own point. I simply stated that the DADT laws should be extended to reduce any sexual talks in the military. Rather than have it repelled and start a host of problems as more people come out.

Would you rather have gay-related beatings in the military, or would you rather have the entire question of sexual beliefs taken out of the picture? It has nothing to do about religion or bonding, which is where the both of you are taking it in order to justify your opinions; it only has to do with sex.

Yes, we are, because your stated opinion was built on quite flimsy, arbitrary premises that could be applied to a broad spectrum of issues. See how that works?

I'll take 'neither one' for $2000, please. But I'm realized to hear that religion never leads to tension or violence, because that would be really unfortunate.

[Ryadn]

I think Obama's response has been typical and understandable, but intolerable. This is not a small side issue that can wait for another day. This is affecting national security.

Exactly, and I really dont get it, He is the Commander-In-Chief it is His Military, why he doesnt just sign an executive order ending it all, is beyond me...

I don't know that he can do that, but from what I've heard, he could suspend the enforcement of it until something's worked out. Of course, then we'd be left with all those openly gay translators, probably changing words so they make everything sound gay...

[Phenia]

The policy itself is an outrage. For one thing, it is demoralizing for a soldier to constantly live in fear of exposure. The homophobic policies of the US armed forces have a far more negative effect on troop morale than allowing gays to serve openly ever could.

Sexual orientation has no place in the military whatsoever.

Humans do. Humans have sexual orientations. You can't just wish it away and pretend the military is supposed to be made up of superhuman, non-sexual T-800s for whom sexuality is a total non-issue. That is no way to address the issue at all.

[Parthenon]

The policy itself is an outrage. For one thing, it is demoralizing for a soldier to constantly live in fear of exposure. The homophobic policies of the US armed forces have a far more negative effect on troop morale than allowing gays to serve openly ever could.

Sexual orientation has no place in the military whatsoever.

Humans do. Humans have sexual orientations. You can't just wish it away and pretend the military is supposed to be made up of superhuman, non-sexual T-800s for whom sexuality is a total non-issue. That is no way to address the issue at all.

I am a straight male. Do I walk around the city telling every person I meet this? No. Would I die if I never told this to someone? No. Sexual Orientation shouldn't be something to be flaunted by people regardless of what side of the rainbow they fall on.

[Soheran]

I am a straight male. Do I walk around the city telling every person I meet this? No.

Do you talk to others about your sexual attractions to people? If you're in a relationship, do you ever mention this, or display it?

[Dyakovo]

No, I blame Clinton.

Why? As bad as DADT is, it was an improvement.

Who else could be responsible for it?

As I just said, as bad as DADT is, it is an improvement over what was there before.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

So does this mean I can get a free education, courtesy of the military, then, think REALLY hard about porn during the physical and get kicked out of the army? Or just suddenly, during the swearing in, start screaming "IM GAY! YES, I AM GAY! GAY GAY GAY! I AM SO HOMOSEXUAL THAT THE VERY SIGHT OF WOMEN MAKES ME BREAK OUT IN HIVES. SAY THERE, OFFICER, WHAT'CHOO DOIN' TONIGHT? WANNA COME TO MY HOUSE AND HAVE A GAY ORGY? THERE'S A GOAT SACRIFICE AFTERWARD AND THEN WE DRINK THE BLOOD OF CHRISTIAN BABIES."

Military funded university tuition is granted by means of a contract. If you breach this contract you are responsible for paying back the tuition in full under threat of litigation.

I guess it would depend on the contract, then.