American Imperialism Thread

[El Lazaro]

Talk of American Imperialism betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of America's geopolitical reality. The United States is an obligate anti-imperialist.

Thanks for making me laugh. USA is everything but anti-imperialist. They genocided indigenous people in the Manifest Destiny, making Hitler later down the line use it as the foundation for his Lebensraum. They started multiple wars with Mexico to strip their territories away, they faked an incident in Cuba to start war with Spain who didn't even wanted that war just so they could've colonized Cuba, Philippines and dozen other islands they call "territories" now. Next, Monroe Doctrine (and later Roosevelt Corollary) saw Latin America as US's playground where they can do whatever they want by invading Latin American countries on multiple occasions before 20th century. Additionally they forced Japan to open its borders by force literally making a path for Japan to become imperialist power itself and helped extinguish a Boxer Rebellion in China.

Moving into 20th century their imperialism gets even sharper turn as they invaded Russia while it was in the civil war with over 15 other countries while keeping their thumbs on Cuba and Latin America. After WWII they didn't respected the wishes of the Korean people and propped up a fascist Japanese collaborator just so Korea would be capitalist which would be just one in series of many fascist dictators they would support across Asia, Europe and Latin America. Korean War, War in Vietnam, Gulf War, Chilean coup, coup in Argentina and other coups in Latin America, death squads, military support for Apartheid in South Africa, support of Palestinian genocide, coup in Iran in 1950s (which bite them in the ass with Islamic Revolution), war profiteering from Iraq-Iran war were they sold (chemical) weapons to Iraq, bombing of Yugoslavia, Invasion on Iraq, invasion of Libya, training, arming and supporting Taliban and then invading Afghanistan for oil and opium, American military bases, left, right and center, allying with Indonesia in massacre of almost million leftists in that country... The list is even longer but those are just the most known American imperialism

Still far less imperialist than the PRC or USSR, cope

[Equai]

Taiwan is a country no one recognizes, also US's navy ships also has no right to be in someone else's EEZ.

we literally asked them to be here though

honestly the audacity of you American imperialism apologists to defend manifest destiny two days before Philippine independence day

ratio

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

[Hintuwan]

actually you know what im just gonna say it

taiwan is rightful Filipino clay

people often forget that it's not just PRC that has territorial disputes with the Philippines, it's also Taiwan

and of course we will never forgive them for Limahong

[Hintuwan]

we literally asked them to be here though

honestly the audacity of you American imperialism apologists to defend manifest destiny two days before Philippine independence day

ratio

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

oh i was referring to the other guy you quoted, should have put a line break or something my bad

[Equai]

Thanks for making me laugh. USA is everything but anti-imperialist. They genocided indigenous people in the Manifest Destiny, making Hitler later down the line use it as the foundation for his Lebensraum. They started multiple wars with Mexico to strip their territories away, they faked an incident in Cuba to start war with Spain who didn't even wanted that war just so they could've colonized Cuba, Philippines and dozen other islands they call "territories" now. Next, Monroe Doctrine (and later Roosevelt Corollary) saw Latin America as US's playground where they can do whatever they want by invading Latin American countries on multiple occasions before 20th century. Additionally they forced Japan to open its borders by force literally making a path for Japan to become imperialist power itself and helped extinguish a Boxer Rebellion in China.

Moving into 20th century their imperialism gets even sharper turn as they invaded Russia while it was in the civil war with over 15 other countries while keeping their thumbs on Cuba and Latin America. After WWII they didn't respected the wishes of the Korean people and propped up a fascist Japanese collaborator just so Korea would be capitalist which would be just one in series of many fascist dictators they would support across Asia, Europe and Latin America. Korean War, War in Vietnam, Gulf War, Chilean coup, coup in Argentina and other coups in Latin America, death squads, military support for Apartheid in South Africa, support of Palestinian genocide, coup in Iran in 1950s (which bite them in the ass with Islamic Revolution), war profiteering from Iraq-Iran war were they sold (chemical) weapons to Iraq, bombing of Yugoslavia, Invasion on Iraq, invasion of Libya, training, arming and supporting Taliban and then invading Afghanistan for oil and opium, American military bases, left, right and center, allying with Indonesia in massacre of almost million leftists in that country... The list is even longer but those are just the most known American imperialism

Still far less imperialist than the PRC or USSR, cope

>Basic twitter response
>No substance or even example to counter my point
Whose coping here?

[Greater Rostoria]

Taiwan is a country no one recognizes, also US's navy ships also has no right to be in someone else's EEZ.

Actually, wrong.

Taiwan, a.k.a the ROC is recognized by 12 UN countries, as well as the Holy See (Vatican).

Also, there are many countries that "unofficially" recognise Taiwan as a country, like the USA and many other Western countries.

Only reason they formally do not is to appeal to the PRC.

[El Lazaro]

we literally asked them to be here though

honestly the audacity of you American imperialism apologists to defend manifest destiny two days before Philippine independence day

ratio

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

More accurately, you’re a Russian imperialism apologist. Marxism imposes white, European ideals on Third World countries and destroys them for resources. It’s Western imperialism all the same.

[Equai]

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

oh i was referring to the other guy you quoted, should have put a line break or something my bad

Its alright, mistakes happen

[El Lazaro]

Still far less imperialist than the PRC or USSR, cope

>Basic twitter response
>No substance or even example to counter my point
Who’s coping here?

You are. You’re coping here. Try harder.

[Hintuwan]

it is sad though that the only visible opposition to American imperialism these days comes from the communist movement

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Chinese ships which were in which country's EEZ?

Taiwan is a country no one recognizes, also US's navy ships also has no right to be in someone else's EEZ.

I'm not talking about exclusively Taiwan, y'know. I'm making hints towards the whole South China Sea scuffle, which involves Chinese ships in legally Filipino EEZ areas.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Taiwan is a country no one recognizes, also US's navy ships also has no right to be in someone else's EEZ.

we literally asked them to be here though

honestly the audacity of you American imperialism apologists to defend manifest destiny two days before Philippine independence day

ratio

They're here because of those Chinese ships

[Equai]

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

More accurately, you’re a Russian imperialism apologist. Marxism imposes white, European ideals on Third World countries and destroys them for resources. It’s Western imperialism all the same.

"Russian imperialist apologist" what? Where did I commented that I support Russia's imperialism? Russia ain't even Marxist anymore. Its hardline neoliberal. You don't know what Marxism is.. don't you? Point me to exact line in Marxism where it imposes white ideals? Point to me to a line in Marxism literature where it exploits countries for resources? Also Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, MLK and over a dozen of liberation armies in Africa who were anti-colonial were not white or had any white ideals. The burden of proof is on you, back up your claim.

[El Lazaro]

Taiwan is a country no one recognizes, also US's navy ships also has no right to be in someone else's EEZ.

I'm not talking about exclusively Taiwan, y'know. I'm making hints towards the whole South China Sea scuffle, which involves Chinese ships in legally Filipino EEZ areas.

Outrageous. This is verbal treason against your rightful colonial masters. Glory to the CCP!

[El Lazaro]

More accurately, you’re a Russian imperialism apologist. Marxism imposes white, European ideals on Third World countries and destroys them for resources. It’s Western imperialism all the same.

"Russian imperialist apologist" what? Where did I commented that I support Russia's imperialism? Russia ain't even Marxist anymore. Its hardline neoliberal. You don't know what Marxism is.. don't you? Point me to exact line in Marxism where it imposes white ideals? Point to me to a line in Marxism literature where it exploits countries for resources? Also Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, MLK and over a dozen of liberation armies in Africa who were anti-colonial were not white or had any white ideals. The burden of proof is on you, back up your claim.

Why did the Soviet Union hold onto its colonial possessions instead of setting them free?

[Picairn]

I disagree. I don't think that there was an equal playing field from the start. First off, no American cities were bombed during WW2 so the USSR started immediately with a recession while America entered its golden era. Second, America has no immediately hostile neighbours while the USSR is surrounded by warring Islamist powers that of course America hastily armed in its fight against communism. Lastly, America has more ports and can project soft power ("gunship diplomacy"). All of this combined means the USSR had to spend way more on the military than America ever had to. Remove these pressures and the situation may have been very different at least economically.

The USSR quickly recovered from its WW2 destruction and emerged as a serious economic rival to the US during its peak in the 1960s - early 1970s. There were proud boasts from Soviet leaders about surpassing the US and reaching communism and stuff in the near future.

The only Islamist power the USSR had to fight was in Afghanistan, an intervention of its own making, not an Islamist invasion of the Soviet heartland.

Gunboat diplomacy isn't soft power, it is hard power as military strength is its chief component. In addition, the Soviets had their own buffer zone in Eastern Europe and gained many allies in Asia and Africa, which caused the US to intervene to halt the spread of communism. It was not a cake walk for the US.

[British Socialist Republics]

I wouldn’t say North Korean sovereignty is being violated, but as a whole I definitely agree that America is imperialist.

Nah, far-right, totalitarian regimes are definitely having their rights violated by Amerikkka and not themselves. Fascists are the most oppressed group in the world.

Why do you insist on simping for all enemies of the global working-class? Go back to your petit bourgeois suburb, you fool!

[Picairn]

Where the hell did you got that i am American imperialism apologists? I don't support any imperialism and I am hard on debunking any American imperialism apologists.

More accurately, you’re a Russian imperialism apologist. Marxism imposes white, European ideals on Third World countries and destroys them for resources. It’s Western imperialism all the same.

bro came in here with the hottest Twitter arguments lmao

[El Lazaro]

Nah, far-right, totalitarian regimes are definitely having their rights violated by Amerikkka and not themselves. Fascists are the most oppressed group in the world.

Why do you insist on simping for all enemies of the global working-class? Go back to your petit bourgeois suburb, you fool!

You’re literally, by your own admission, a rich Angloid. Go back to your urbanite McMansion and engorge your gaping maw with whatever Brits pass off as food.

[Equai]

"Russian imperialist apologist" what? Where did I commented that I support Russia's imperialism? Russia ain't even Marxist anymore. Its hardline neoliberal. You don't know what Marxism is.. don't you? Point me to exact line in Marxism where it imposes white ideals? Point to me to a line in Marxism literature where it exploits countries for resources? Also Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung, MLK and over a dozen of liberation armies in Africa who were anti-colonial were not white or had any white ideals. The burden of proof is on you, back up your claim.

Why did the Soviet Union hold onto its colonial possessions instead of setting them free?

Back up the claim, there is proof, where is example? Saying a vague BS without any example or foundation only makes you look incompetent to argue. When you say that a country has colonial possessions you have to back it up.

USA has colonial possessions, it calls them territories, those are Guam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, most known example Puerto Rico alongside other small atolls and islands.
France has colonial possessions, Mayotte, French Polynesia, New Caledonia Martinique alongside 10 other.

[Neoncomplexultra]

As it stands now, the US continues to violate Chinese and North Korean sovereignty, funds foreign wars and Guantanamo Bay continues to stay open.

and?

[Equai]

As it stands now, the US continues to violate Chinese and North Korean sovereignty, funds foreign wars and Guantanamo Bay continues to stay open.

and?

Those are bad things

[British Socialist Republics]

Why do you insist on simping for all enemies of the global working-class? Go back to your petit bourgeois suburb, you fool!

You’re literally, by your own admission, a rich Angloid. Go back to your urbanite McMansion and engorge your gaping maw with whatever Brits pass off as food.

I’m not of pure Anglo-Saxon descent, my father is a Pakistani Pashtun. In any case, I recognise my privilege of not having to live in a neighbourhood full of lumpenproletariat pieces of shit and become harsher on these people in consequence (as a tribute to the people forced to live with them). I also recognise my privilege of not living under military occupation.
You recognise neither privilege (I’m noting, however, that you didn’t explicitly deny your privilege), in consequence your conduct is enmity to the working poor.

[El Lazaro]

Why did the Soviet Union hold onto its colonial possessions instead of setting them free?

Back up the claim, there is proof, where is example? Saying a vague BS without any example or foundation only makes you look incompetent to argue. When you say that a country has colonial possessions you have to back it up.

USA has colonial possessions, it calls them territories, those are Guam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, most known example Puerto Rico alongside other small atolls and islands.
France has colonial possessions, Mayotte, French Polynesia, New Caledonia Martinique alongside 10 other.

Google “Russian empire”

[Greater Rostoria]

Why did the Soviet Union hold onto its colonial possessions instead of setting them free?

Back up the claim, there is proof, where is example? Saying a vague BS without any example or foundation only makes you look incompetent to argue. When you say that a country has colonial possessions you have to back it up.

USA has colonial possessions, it calls them territories, those are Guam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, most known example Puerto Rico alongside other small atolls and islands.
France has colonial possessions, Mayotte, French Polynesia, New Caledonia Martinique alongside 10 other.

I would say that the Russian occupation of Central Asia and the Caucasus constitutes Soviet colonialism, or at least imperialism. Not to mention Kaliningrad and using Western European countries as buffer states for your own gain.

A point could be made that these regions were annexed first by the Russian empire, but the Soviets did nothing to free those people.