American Imperialism Thread

[Khardsland]

The United States has been the only major superpower left in the world ever since the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. With great power, comes great responsibilities; responsibilities which the US clearly does not uphold. As it stands now, the US continues to violate Chinese and North Korean sovereignty, funds foreign wars and Guantanamo Bay continues to stay open. Please try to stay respectful and use your preferred media sources. Since this thread deals with US Imperialism, don't be surprised to see many socialists and centre-leftists here.

[El Lazaro]

The DPRK and PRC are not legitimate states and must be liberated

[Khardsland]

Dang, guess you can't build your country close to American foreign bases without being nuked to oblivion

[Cuba 2022 RP]

I wouldn’t say North Korean sovereignty is being violated, but as a whole I definitely agree that America is imperialist.

[El Lazaro]

I wouldn’t say North Korean sovereignty is being violated, but as a whole I definitely agree that America is imperialist.

Nah, far-right, totalitarian regimes are definitely having their rights violated by Amerikkka and not themselves. Fascists are the most oppressed group in the world.

[Greater Rostoria]

The United States has been the only major superpower left in the world ever since the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. With great power, comes great responsibilities; responsibilities which the US clearly does not uphold. As it stands now, the US continues to violate Chinese and North Korean sovereignty, funds foreign wars and Guantanamo Bay continues to stay open. Please try to stay respectful and use your preferred media sources. Since this thread deals with US Imperialism, don't be surprised to see many socialists and centre-leftists here.

The Soviet Union did not "illegally dissolve". It dissolved because it was a bad state and people wanted independence. The Soviet Union collapsed by itself after incompetence by the last leader of the USSR.

And if the USSR was the sole superpower we would be seeing a lot of violence and violation of territorial integrity of other nations. The US is not perfect, but its better than China and the USSR.

[Jebslund]

The United States has been the only major superpower left in the world

The PRC would like a word. Specifically, their ownership of most of the world's debt, including the majority of ours.

ever since the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Illegal? Seriously? The CCCP fell apart due to Russia being unable to maintain their iron grip on the nations they held at gunpoint, largely because they spent themselves into the ground trying to keep up with the US.

With great power, comes great responsibilities; responsibilities which the US clearly does not uphold.

True, but not for the reasons you think, given...

As it stands now, the US continues to violate Chinese and North Korean sovereignty, funds foreign wars and Guantanamo Bay continues to stay open.

It is the responsibility of those with power to protect those without. China and North Korea, particularly the latter, have a loooooooooooooong track record of human rights violations, some of which were used as justification for most of the free world to gang up on Hitler and Hirohito in the 1930's and 40's. As for the situation in Ukraine, Russia's invasion is in violation of international law. If anything, the US is not doing *enough* there.
You'll hear no argument from me on Gitmo though. That shit needs to close.

Please try to stay respectful and use your preferred media sources. Since this thread deals with US Imperialism, don't be surprised to see many socialists and centre-leftists here.

I mean, America's farthest left are still centrists by the most liberal of definitions (center-right, not center-left.). But pop off, I guess?

[Haganham]

Talk of American Imperialism betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of America's geopolitical reality. The United States is an obligate anti-imperialist.

The United States, due to it's geography, is able to project force across the globe; yet unable to gain political power through imperialist expansion. Instead it must seek to limit the ability of other nations to build empires that could challenge it. America's interests are thus best served by the promotion of cooperative sovereign states, and their protection from the imperialist ambitions of other nations.
This is why it opposed the Spanish in the new world, the Germans in Europe, the Japanize in the pacific, the soviet union everywhere, and China and Russia today.

[Hintuwan]

Enough about American rights, let's talk about American wrongs

Number 1: colonizing my country

[El Lazaro]

Gitmo should stay open, but all current detainees should be swapped out with Uyghur genocide deniers

[Greater Rostoria]

Gitmo should stay open, but all current detainees should be swapped out with Uyghur genocide deniers

Now this is something I can get behind.

Throw in a few North Korean supporters and we should be all set.

[Hintuwan]

This is why it opposed the Spanish in the new world, the Germans in Europe, the Japanize in the pacific, the soviet union everywhere, and China and Russia today.

you seem to be skipping over the fact that America also Americanizes everything they touch, if you go to my home town it is literally just an American suburb. i go to wendy's for lunch, buy my supplies from American hardware stores, and i even live across a Mormon church. it's about as bland and imperializing as everything that spain and japan and china touches however you probably just don't notice it because you don't see the contrasts.

[Khardsland]

Talk of American Imperialism betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of America's geopolitical reality. The United States is an obligate anti-imperialist.

If that's the case, why does the US invade countries over false WMDs and have their CIA friends commit terrorist attacks on civilian airliners?

The United States, due to it's geography, is able to project force across the globe; yet unable to gain political power through imperialist expansion.

Ever heard of NATO?

This is why it opposed the Spanish in the new world, the Germans in Europe, the Japanize in the pacific, the soviet union everywhere, and China and Russia today.

Funny since Spain was living to trade their land with America, the Nazis were inspired by the US' treatment of the Natives and the Soviets just had a better economic system than America.

[Khardsland]

Gitmo should stay open, but all current detainees should be swapped out with Uyghur genocide deniers

Wow, I didn't know that improving literacy rates was genocide

[Hintuwan]

Anyway we still shouldn't discount the fact that America has done a lot of good in the world. France would probably be speaking German if it wasn't for America and I would probably be speaking Chinese. However the idea that America is somehow different and not a bully unlike literally every empire in the world is just funny at best.

[Greater Rostoria]

Gitmo should stay open, but all current detainees should be swapped out with Uyghur genocide deniers

Wow, I didn't know that improving literacy rates was genocide

HUH?

No...Muslims in China are being sent to "re-education camps", which are basically just concentration camps and their identity is taken from them. They are humiliated and beaten, this is not "improving literacy rates". And another thing I find funny about commies is how they just cannot stop bringing up literacy rates, as if literacy rates dictate how good a country is.

[El Lazaro]

Gitmo should stay open, but all current detainees should be swapped out with Uyghur genocide deniers

Wow, I didn't know that improving literacy rates was genocide

What a horrible thing to say. Do you prefer water boarding or walling, colonizer?

[Khardsland]

France would probably be speaking German if it wasn't for America

At worst, they'd be singing the L'Internationale as the national anthem tops

I would probably be speaking Chinese.

Lemme guess, the tyrannical, genocidal regime in Taiwan?

However the idea that America is somehow different and not a bully unlike literally every empire in the world is just funny at best.

A surprisingly W take from ya

[Khardsland]

And another thing I find funny about commies is how they just cannot stop bringing up literacy rates, as if literacy rates dictate how good a country is.

It sure as hell is a better indicator of progress than whatever GDP nonsense you got there

[Picairn]

The US isn't as dominating in its hegemony as European colonial empires, but that's certainly not because it loves the oppressed peoples or has an obligation to be anti-imperialist (lol, lmao), but because economic influence and military alliance (in which the US takes on a preeminent role among its allies or vassals) are cheaper and more beneficial to itself than ruling and maintaining expensive, rebellious colonies.

[Picairn]

the Soviets just had a better economic system than America.

So much better that the Soviet economy stagnated for more than a decade and later collapsed.

[Khardsland]

the Soviets just had a better economic system than America.

So much better that the Soviet economy stagnated for more than a decade and later collapsed.

Who could have thought that when you make a socialist economy adopt capitalism at gunpoint, it'd fail? Must be a flaw with socialism, capitalism can't do any wrong after all!

[Greater Rostoria]

And another thing I find funny about commies is how they just cannot stop bringing up literacy rates, as if literacy rates dictate how good a country is.

It sure as hell is a better indicator of progress than whatever GDP nonsense you got there

No, its just not.

You can have 100% literacy rates, but the worst, and most violent government in the world. Instead success should be measured in things like:
*Freedoms
*Safety
*GDP & GDP per Capita
*And other policies the country has.

Literacy should not be seen as a sign of prosperity, North Korea has a literacy rate of around 100%. But their government is corrupt, incompetent, and commits human rights violations on a daily basis

[Picairn]

So much better that the Soviet economy stagnated for more than a decade and later collapsed.

Who could have thought that when you make a socialist economy adopt capitalism at gunpoint, it'd fail? Must be a flaw with socialism, capitalism can't do any wrong after all!

>"Adopt capitalism at gunpoint"

Ahistorical braindead comment. The whole reason Gorby was chasing after Perestroika is because the Soviet economy was consistently stagnating for more than a decade. His reforms are not so different in intent than previous Soviet economic liberalization attempts.

There is more value to be gained from devising a new economic system for socialism than to defend the extremely bullshit model of a dead empire.

[Greater Rostoria]

So much better that the Soviet economy stagnated for more than a decade and later collapsed.

Who could have thought that when you make a socialist economy adopt capitalism at gunpoint, it'd fail? Must be a flaw with socialism, capitalism can't do any wrong after all!

The USSR was not forced to "adopt capitalism at gunpoint", they only adopted capitalism after breakaway states started gaining independence and when it finally collapsed. And what little adoption of capitalism the soviets did was a pathetic attempt at keeping the union or delaying the eventual collapse of the country.

And another reason why China has not collapsed yet, is because they adopted capitalism and are getting the benefits from the open market.