Serbia prepares for invasion of Kosovo

[El Lazaro]

When I clicked on this, I thought this was gonna be in II. I guess not. Serbia is actually invading Kosovo, huh?
Wouldn’t NATO get involved then?

Nothing is happening yet. Even China and India get into frequent border skirmishes. The existence of tensions does not imply a change to the status quo.

[Juansonia]

Are you really unable to understand the fact that some evil is unrelated to the Kremlin?

Was it the Kremlin that bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade? Was it the Kremlin that occupied Afghanistan for just shy of twenty years? Was it the Kremlin that tortured prisoners in Guantamano Bay and Abu Ghraib? Was it the Kremlin that threatened to invade the Netherlands if its imperialist soldiers were held accountable per international law?

This is mildly conspiratorial thinking. I get Putin is a particularly reprehensible criminal, but should we also blame Hitler for 9/11?

Those questions were rhetorical, and I am surprised that you can't even understand that.

Of course it was the American CIA that bombed the Chinese Embassy, the United States that occupied Afghanistan, it was the United States that tortured prisoners in Guantamano Bay and Abu Ghraib, and it was the United States which refuses to recognise the authority of the Hauge.

[The North Polish Union]

Nonsense. I desire that the civil rights and wishes of the Kosovars be respected in the same way that I desire the civil rights and wishes of the Crimeans be respected. But these things must be done within the appropriate framework rather than simply allowing great powers to carve up weaker states as they see fit.

Crimea was ethnically cleansed by the Soviet Union, not Ukraine.

I'm aware. It was a longstanding policy of the USSR to replace minority populations with Russians. Not just in Crimea, but in the Baltics, Kazachstan, and so on.

But I don't see what this has to do with the discussion, since here I'm talking about post-Soviet Crimea (which is an integral part of Ukraine) as a comparison with post-Yugoslav Kosovo (which is an integral part of Serbia).

If one accepts the idea that great power intervention to redraw borders in a way that suits the great power is legitimate, one ought to accept that this legitimacy cannot simply extend to one power and not the others, a reality which the supporters of both Kosovar and Crimean independence often neglect.

Of course, one could also accept that all such interventionism is illegal and illegitimate.

[Emus Republic Of Australia]

When I clicked on this, I thought this was gonna be in II. I guess not. Serbia is actually invading Kosovo, huh?
Wouldn’t NATO get involved then?

Nothing is happening yet. Even China and India get into frequent border skirmishes. The existence of tensions does not imply a change to the status quo.

hm.

[El Lazaro]

This is mildly conspiratorial thinking. I get Putin is a particularly reprehensible criminal, but should we also blame Hitler for 9/11?

Those questions were rhetorical, and I am surprised that you can't even understand that.

Of course it was the American CIA that bombed the Chinese Embassy, the United States that occupied Afghanistan, it was the United States that tortured prisoners in Guantamano Bay and Abu Ghraib, and it was the United States which refuses to recognise the authority of the Hauge.

There is a thing called “being facetious”, and I am surprised you can’t even understand that. Sure, all states do bad things, but NATO is clearly not among the bad actors in this situation.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

does serbia accept volunteer fighters from iowa

[Bahrimontagn]

FTFY

Based, and NATO-pilled.

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We need to bring Clinton and Wesley Clark back.

Shouldn't you be at school lol.

Didnt this whole thing start because Albanians rigged elections in serb majority areas?

No.

I wouldn't even say it started, as this has been an ongoing conflict, but what set off this round of the conflict was the authorities pressing the victorious outcome of an election which the ethnic serb population boycotted.

Ethnic Serbs and ethnic Serb parties refused to take part in last month's mayoral elections in four municipalities in north Kosovo. That depressed turnout to just 3.5% - and facilitated the election of ethnic Albanian mayors in towns where the vast majority of people are Serbs.

So basically my point, that Albanians started this recent round.

[Zapato]

But I don't see what this has to do with the discussion, since here I'm talking about post-Soviet Crimea (which is an integral part of Ukraine) as a comparison with post-Yugoslav Kosovo (which is an integral part of Serbia).

Nonsense. Kosovo is not an integral part of Serbia. All it is, at best, is a location for a mythical origin story.

But I guess that's difficult to see when you think genocide is respecting the civil rights and wishes of Kosovars.

[Gravlen]

Based, and NATO-pilled.

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We need to bring Clinton and Wesley Clark back.

Shouldn't you be at school lol.

No.

I wouldn't even say it started, as this has been an ongoing conflict, but what set off this round of the conflict was the authorities pressing the victorious outcome of an election which the ethnic serb population boycotted.

Ethnic Serbs and ethnic Serb parties refused to take part in last month's mayoral elections in four municipalities in north Kosovo. That depressed turnout to just 3.5% - and facilitated the election of ethnic Albanian mayors in towns where the vast majority of people are Serbs.

So basically my point, that Albanians started this recent round.

Not at all your point. You alleged a rigged election, which was not what happened.

And it's pointlessly reductive to point fingers at who started this recent round. You could make an equally accurate claim that the ethnic serbs started it by not respecting the outcome of the election they chose to boycott. Serbs and Kosovars both are masters of fucking up and making the wrong choices, this is not a new thing.

[Bahrimontagn]

Shouldn't you be at school lol.



So basically my point, that Albanians started this recent round.

Not at all your point. You alleged a rigged election, which was not what happened.

And it's pointlessly reductive to point fingers at who started this recent round. You could make an equally accurate claim that the ethnic serbs started it by not respecting the outcome of the election they chose to boycott. Serbs and Kosovars both are masters of fucking up and making the wrong choices, this is not a new thing.

Yeah it was my point

Plus it's cool to point fingers at different sides.

[Azov steel 2022]

I recognize Taiwan, but Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. For my country, to recognize Kosovo as a country = to recognize LDPR

[Azov steel 2022]

I recognize Taiwan, but Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. For my country, to recognize Kosovo as a country = to recognize LDPR

I love NATO, but Kosovo is Serbia

[El Lazaro]

Crimea was ethnically cleansed by the Soviet Union, not Ukraine.

I'm aware. It was a longstanding policy of the USSR to replace minority populations with Russians. Not just in Crimea, but in the Baltics, Kazachstan, and so on.

But I don't see what this has to do with the discussion, since here I'm talking about post-Soviet Crimea (which is an integral part of Ukraine) as a comparison with post-Yugoslav Kosovo (which is an integral part of Serbia).

If one accepts the idea that great power intervention to redraw borders in a way that suits the great power is legitimate, one ought to accept that this legitimacy cannot simply extend to one power and not the others, a reality which the supporters of both Kosovar and Crimean independence often neglect.

Of course, one could also accept that all such interventionism is illegal and illegitimate.

Let’s see,

Crimea:
- Only occupied because it’s a settler-colonial project and a launchpad for Russian aggression
- Has been formally annexed by the Russian occupiers without a genuine referendum
- Continued Russian occupation means more ethnic cleansing of Tatars and Ukrainians

Kosovo:
- Is a nation-state which gained independence when genocidal occupiers were repelled
- Has not even been claimed by Albania (even though this is the will of both peoples), much less the US
- The end of independence means a renewed genocide against Kosovars

Yeah, maybe the circumstances justify the military action.

[The North Polish Union]

But I don't see what this has to do with the discussion, since here I'm talking about post-Soviet Crimea (which is an integral part of Ukraine) as a comparison with post-Yugoslav Kosovo (which is an integral part of Serbia).

Nonsense. Kosovo is not an integral part of Serbia. All it is, at best, is a location for a mythical origin story.

But I guess that's difficult to see when you think genocide is respecting the civil rights and wishes of Kosovars.

There was no genocide in Kosovo. You are confusing Kosovo and Bosnia.

[El Lazaro]

Nonsense. Kosovo is not an integral part of Serbia. All it is, at best, is a location for a mythical origin story.

But I guess that's difficult to see when you think genocide is respecting the civil rights and wishes of Kosovars.

There was no genocide in Kosovo. You are confusing Kosovo and Bosnia.

Ah, forgot, ethnic cleansing is so much better

[Bahrimontagn]

There was no genocide in Kosovo. You are confusing Kosovo and Bosnia.

Ah, forgot, ethnic cleansing is so much better

Neither that. More Albanians were killed by the KLA during the 90's war than by Serb police units. Also interesting is that prior to NATO entering Kosovo in 1999, Western media reported on mass graves of Albanians in Kosovo killed by Serbs. But after NATO troops entering, those reports stopped. Why? Because they did not exist.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

I thought this was an international incidents post…oh no

[Barsedia]

I thought this was an international incidents post…oh no

I also

[Barsedia]

I recognize Taiwan, but Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. For my country, to recognize Kosovo as a country = to recognize LDPR

I love NATO, but Kosovo is Serbia

I agreed with you

[The North Polish Union]

I'm aware. It was a longstanding policy of the USSR to replace minority populations with Russians. Not just in Crimea, but in the Baltics, Kazachstan, and so on.

But I don't see what this has to do with the discussion, since here I'm talking about post-Soviet Crimea (which is an integral part of Ukraine) as a comparison with post-Yugoslav Kosovo (which is an integral part of Serbia).

If one accepts the idea that great power intervention to redraw borders in a way that suits the great power is legitimate, one ought to accept that this legitimacy cannot simply extend to one power and not the others, a reality which the supporters of both Kosovar and Crimean independence often neglect.

Of course, one could also accept that all such interventionism is illegal and illegitimate.

Let’s see,

Crimea:
- Only occupied because it’s a settler-colonial project and a launchpad for Russian aggression
- Has been formally annexed by the Russian occupiers without a genuine referendum
- Continued Russian occupation means more ethnic cleansing of Tatars and Ukrainians

Kosovo:
- Is a nation-state which gained independence when genocidal occupiers were repelled
- Has not even been claimed by Albania (even though this is the will of both peoples), much less the US
- The end of independence means a renewed genocide against Kosovars

Yeah, maybe the circumstances justify the military action.

There was no genocide in Kosovo. You are confusing Kosovo and Bosnia.

Ah, forgot, ethnic cleansing is so much better

Wild claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing lose their lustre once one realizes that the Lead Prosecutor of the ICTY was instructed by the US State Department to, for political reasons, not scrutinize crimes committed by Albanians. Certainly Serb violence against Albanians existed and should be prosecuted, but it does not do any good to ignore the hundreds of thousands of Serbs who were targeted by Albanians and were either murdered or fled the region.

[Juansonia]

Those questions were rhetorical, and I am surprised that you can't even understand that.

Of course it was the American CIA that bombed the Chinese Embassy, the United States that occupied Afghanistan, it was the United States that tortured prisoners in Guantamano Bay and Abu Ghraib, and it was the United States which refuses to recognise the authority of the Hauge.

There is a thing called “being facetious”, and I am surprised you can’t even understand that. Sure, all states do bad things, but NATO is clearly not among the bad actors in this situation.

You edited a quote to claim that NATO has every right to be involved in Kosovo. I said that NATO has no right to exist. I thought this entire back-and-fourth was about that matter specifically. Apparently, it's disingenuous to continue a discussion.

[Rusozak]

There stands to hope that Serbia does not give in to fascist provocations.

Besides, just the usual balkan drama.

What's with tankies always defending fascists and labelling the anti-fascists the real fascists?

[Bradfordville]

You know how there's a saying "fighting like a cat and dog?" Well many cats and dogs actually get along quite well. What the saying should be is "why do we always fight like former Yugoslav constituents?"

Hopefully there is peace. And if there is not, hopefully the NATO peace keepers leave and men of other nationalities don't die or get hurt over old blood fueds between the Serbs and Albanians.

[Utquiagvik]

Similar situations have happened in the past year, but with a large amount of injuries and the overall world tensions, it seems even more likely now that a war between Kosovo and Serbia will occur. Let’s hope it doesn’t so we don’t have to drag 30 countries into war instantly.

[Rary]

NATO has no business in Serbia. They should piss off home and allow Serbia to handle its own domestic affairs.