Are You Really Alone Right Now?

[Libertarian Right]

This has dissolved from a debate of ghosts to a debate of religion (Well, seemed like it). Smells like threadjacking (I think?).


Also, I am most OBVIOUSLY not a mod (Idk why I put this. Just got to CYA (Cover Yo Ass))

What if…ghost gods…

What if....The Holy Spirit...

[Alvecia]

On that note, the same thing tends to be true of anything supernatural as well.
There's no agreed upon standards for what a ghost is, so how do you even begin to test for one.

There are agreed standards for what a ghost is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost#:~: ... 0in%20life.

That isn't a definition, it's a summary, and contains multiple contradictory definitions across a variety of cultures and religions.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

What if…ghost gods…

What if....The Holy Spirit...

Oh wait…yeah…GHOST GOD!

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

Was it wearing a MAGA hat?

[The Dodo Republic]

I actually dont know. Id like to feel like yea maybe. Ghosts might exist but their beyond a form that we can understand. Our ability to rationalize our conscious is inevitably fruitless as no amount of intelligence can tell us everything.

[Rary]

If that’s your belief, then I’m completely fine with it. It just happens to be wrong. Ghosts can easily be explained by science and religion is all a scam to increase the wealth and power of the clergy.

Don't you write here that you're neutral on religion?

I am neutral on people believing in a religion. I am against religion itself, if that makes sense.

[Rary]

If that’s your belief, then I’m completely fine with it. It just happens to be wrong. Ghosts can easily be explained by science and religion is all a scam to increase the wealth and power of the clergy.

you sound like you are trying to troll. dont start bro

If you believe I am trolling then you should report me.

[Mallorea and Riva]

If that’s your belief, then I’m completely fine with it. It just happens to be wrong. Ghosts can easily be explained by science and religion is all a scam to increase the wealth and power of the clergy.

you sound like you are trying to troll. dont start bro

If you think a user is trolling, then report them. Don't spam the thread with trollnaming.

[Hirota]

No it wasn’t and you’re not going to convince me otherwise. It’s amazing to me how arrogant and closed minded some people can be and think they have the answers to questions not even thousands of years of study have solved.

It's amazing that you think that thousands of years of study have not solved it, but you have somehow because ... reasons, and you are absolutely right because ... reasons and could not be wrong because ... reasons.



Look, the problem isn't that you believe what you believe, lots of people believe lots of things they are unable to articulate or supply evidence for.

But if you expect to convince other people, you need to be able to provide actual evidence in support of your belief.

And just because the existence of ghosts hasn't been disproved doesn't mean that is evidence they exist. Russells teapot applies, and secondly Argument from ignorance isn't a rational argument to convince others.

If you read the questions in the OP, it's entirely about personal belief.

What about you? Do you believe in ghosts? Do you believe that there are angelic and devilish ghosts? Or do you believe that they are remnants of a tragic past. Or are they just trying to find their way to the afterlife, but can't?

Some people will have that belief influenced because they believe in ghosts because of an experience in the past, or that it brings them some meaning, or some other reasons.

Other people are influenced by evidence. I place myself in that camp. I don't believe in ghosts because there isn't any evidence that compels me. If evidence surfaced, maybe that would compel me to consider otherwise.

[Techocracy101010]

san i have literally worked on areas that are native burial grounds shit i have spent nights at revolutionary war sites to the catacombs of france like bro deads dead there is nothing more once you die your done games over

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Halloween is right around the corner (at least it's sooner than the 2024 election), so I assumed it was a good time to ask the age old question. Are ghosts real? Are there unknown spirits watching you at this very moment?

What are ghosts? Ghosts could be any form of phenomenon that takes the form or intelligence of a living creature that has lived once before. They could span anywhere from a full-body apparition, a shadow figure in the shape of a dog, or, if you're feeling like it, an orb. Or, they might not even present themselves at all and just interact, likely mischievous, with the environment.

What are my opinions on ghosts? I, as you'd probably expect, take a very religious stance on ghosts. I believe that there are helpful, angelic ghosts. These could be family members from your past coming down to tell you that everything is going to be alright. They could be a person in bright white, opening the passageway to a new stage of life. Overall, these are just ghosts that are there to comfort you and send you a message. Then, there are harmful spirits. These are spirits that are not angelic, but rather devilish. These are spirits that attempt to harm you or lead you astray. Overall, I take a more angels and devils stance, sent from heaven or hell stance, than a, "oh man, a tragic event happened here so lots of energy is left behind, a perfect environment for ghosts to be displayed!"

What about you? Do you believe in ghosts? Do you believe that there are angelic and devilish ghosts? Or do you believe that they are remnants of a tragic past. Or are they just trying to find their way to the afterlife, but can't?

GMS: We bought $ a nice big furnished house in Cuba before the revolution lol from the son of an old Lady. I used to see Spirits in the house I used to live in Cuba, or ghosts if you prefer the term. Since then I believe in God and Spirits. $ No one at the house could see them but me., but they were friendly Spirits, I would stand at night at the dinning room and look down the long hall to the living room and I would see an old Lady sitting and rocking on the rocking chair in the living room, I would tell others at the house who is that old Lady sitting in the rocking chair rocking, they would look and see no one. But during the day we would all see the rocking chair rocking from time to time, and when we went up to the rocking chair the rocking chair would stop rocking. We did some research and found out the previous owner was an old lady who loved to sit on the rocking chair late at night and died at the house.

One day in Miami I was reading a newspaper story of a world famous Cuban Spiritualist, who has consulted with Hispanic, non Hispanic, Presidents, world leaders and VIPs all over the world, who was in Miami for a spiritualist convention and stated I am also in Miami to visit family and friends I have not seen in many years. The next day I was standing at the front porch of a family members house in Miami, and the guy showed up at my family's house, I showed him in and he shook hands with all my family, then he shook my hand and said in from of my family this guy could see, this guy used to see, I know it because I feel it. The only one in my family who used to live in our house in Cuba after I stopped seeing the Spirits, did not know it and is the Spiritualist friend, he was shocked to hear it, that I used to see Spirits, and the other family members present told him and confirmed it for him, Yes GMS Alberto did used to see Spirits at our house in Cuba.

one day I was at home in Chicago watching a TV show of ghost sightings, but I caught it late as it was ending, but one of the sightings was about a farm house in Wisconsin, the family stated one of the rooms is haunted, and one night their cars parked in front of the farm house started up their selfs.

one of my cousin primos, is a highly respected millionaire $ Psychiatrist in Chicago, now retired, he has two farm houses in Wisconsin, he claims there is a room at one of the farm houses no one can sleep in if the spirits don't like you, only certain persons in his family can sleep in this room, and they have a sign on the front door do not enter this room is haunted. So I thought the ghost sighting report I was seeing on TV, might be his farm house in Wisconsin.

[San Lumen]

san i have literally worked on areas that are native burial grounds shit i have spent nights at revolutionary war sites to the catacombs of france like bro deads dead there is nothing more once you die your done games over

That’s your opinion.

[Risottia]

san i have literally worked on areas that are native burial grounds shit i have spent nights at revolutionary war sites to the catacombs of france like bro deads dead there is nothing more once you die your done games over

That’s your opinion.

It's a bit more than just an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

[Fractalnavel]

That’s your opinion.

It's a bit more than just an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

I do believe in teapots!

[San Lumen]

That’s your opinion.

It's a bit more than just an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

It is an opinion. To say the universe just sprang into existence from nothing violating the precious laws of physics and that there is no higher power or being is even more ludicrous.

Millions of people can't be temporarily mentally unwell or having hallucinations.

[Techocracy101010]

It's a bit more than just an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

It is an opinion. To say the universe just sprang into existence from nothing violating the precious laws of physics and that there is no higher power or being is even more ludicrous.

Millions of people can't be temporarily mentally unwell or having hallucinations.

i have yet to meet a god or something that cannot be killed by sufficient application of kinetic energy or radiation . Bring me something i cannot kill show me a immortal an incorporeal being . Reality is an infinite plane between 1 and 2 as such you can do anything so long as it does not exceed or go under the values of 1 and 2 . Ghosts magic etc those are all numbers out side the set of one and two . I am at peace that i cease to be when my flesh automaton ceases to be . All i am are a collection of cells working in unison nothing more nothing less.
think is it not funny how magic etc all stopped as our understanding of science increased. in old times claims of beast and magic were common yet nowadays the best we can do are a few bad photos of ufos

[San Lumen]

It is an opinion. To say the universe just sprang into existence from nothing violating the precious laws of physics and that there is no higher power or being is even more ludicrous.

Millions of people can't be temporarily mentally unwell or having hallucinations.

i have yet to meet a god or something that cannot be killed by sufficient application of kinetic energy or radiation . Bring me something i cannot kill show me a immortal an incorporeal being . Reality is an infinite plane between 1 and 2 as such you can do anything so long as it does not exceed or go under the values of 1 and 2 . Ghosts magic etc those are all numbers out side the set of one and two . I am at peace that i cease to be when my flesh automaton ceases to be . All i am are a collection of cells working in unison nothing more nothing less.
think is it not funny how magic etc all stopped as our understanding of science increased. in old times claims of beast and magic were common yet nowadays the best we can do are a few bad photos of ufos

You want to believe that fine but this is still your opinion.

[La Xinga]

It is an opinion. To say the universe just sprang into existence from nothing violating the precious laws of physics and that there is no higher power or being is even more ludicrous.

Millions of people can't be temporarily mentally unwell or having hallucinations.

I have yet to meet a god or something that cannot be killed by sufficient application of kinetic energy or radiation.

Lumen literally claimed to see one, and the response was that he (he?) appeared to be hallucinating.

"If someone doesn't see one, then it is crazy that they believe in it. If they do see one, then they must be hallucinating."

[The Acolyte Confederacy]

If being a Muslim, which entails being firmly grounded in reality for a start, makes one stupid, then you are probably one of the smartest people I've seen online.

Islam is fundamentally, another theistic religion. Which means we cannot say it is true; nor can we say it is false. However, what is true, is that much of the religious views are also dated, and whilst the Quran suggests equality, many Muslim laws and nations believe in many things which violate basic human rights/decency.

as a muslim, i feel the "dated" views are still good values. what human decency is subjective. also, to say the Quran "suggests" equality, is kind of tasteless, as to say the quran believes that people are better than others, etc. i feel this sentence is the epitome of how western christians view the west.

[Myrensis]

I have yet to meet a god or something that cannot be killed by sufficient application of kinetic energy or radiation.

Lumen literally claimed to see one, and the response was that he (he?) appeared to be hallucinating.

"If someone doesn't see one, then it is crazy that they believe in it. If they do see one, then they must be hallucinating."

Well, can we expand the thread to consider the incontrovertible fact that advanced extra-terrestrial life exists and use comets to hide their ships from us when they cruise the solar system? Because obviously there's no way dozens of people would kill themselves for anything that wasn't an absolutely verifiable, rational, and true thing, right?

[La Xinga]

Lumen literally claimed to see one, and the response was that he (he?) appeared to be hallucinating.

"If someone doesn't see one, then it is crazy that they believe in it. If they do see one, then they must be hallucinating."

Well, can we expand the thread to consider the incontrovertible fact that advanced extra-terrestrial life exists and use comets to hide their ships from us when they cruise the solar system? Because obviously there's no way dozens of people would kill themselves for anything that wasn't an absolutely verifiable, rational, and true thing, right?

My point still remains. How would someone prove a ghost, then?

[Stellar Colonies]

Well, can we expand the thread to consider the incontrovertible fact that advanced extra-terrestrial life exists and use comets to hide their ships from us when they cruise the solar system? Because obviously there's no way dozens of people would kill themselves for anything that wasn't an absolutely verifiable, rational, and true thing, right?

My point still remains. How would someone prove a ghost, then?

First of all, more would be needed than anecdotes or scratchy video recordings of every random thing that vaguely looks like one.

[La Xinga]

My point still remains. How would someone prove a ghost, then?

First of all, more would be needed than anecdotes or scratchy video recordings of every random thing that vaguely looks like one.

Would you say that there would be no way to prove it before the invention of the camera or the like?

[Fractalnavel]

There is a neuroanatomical explanation for this type of experience. Personal experiences of this phenomena seem to be affected by prevailing culture and contemporary concerns. Angels/demons, ghosts, aliens, gods, visions, and so on. There's some good articles out there about the how these brain functions fit together, why they may have evolved, and related areas of experience that they appear in. It would be fair to say that people's brains vary, along with the habits we form in using them, so of course there are reported "I believe because I saw it!" and "that never happens to me".

Also of course, some people can take things too far. "True believers". Understandable that brain functions that are related to perceptions of "what's out there" sort of naturally have a tendency to reject "but maybe it's just me".

Sagan also wrote about some of this brain phenomena, and others. Evolution has built on the old, not replaced it. Sometimes new 'features' appear. The old and new interact. Micro-evolutions occur. Not everyone is on the same page.

Not sure if "invisible friends" are part of this. And aloneness is relative. The expression "living rent free in someone's head": is that a kind of live-haunting? What if it continues after the renter's death?

Sorry, wandering all over. The topic just touches on all kinds of things.

[Techocracy101010]

Well, can we expand the thread to consider the incontrovertible fact that advanced extra-terrestrial life exists and use comets to hide their ships from us when they cruise the solar system? Because obviously there's no way dozens of people would kill themselves for anything that wasn't an absolutely verifiable, rational, and true thing, right?

My point still remains. How would someone prove a ghost, then?

You cannot it is an argument in absurdity . And to the other fellow im
not saying lumen is crazy but hallucinations do happen. in my sleep paralysis i see a bloody man in bandages and a trench coat like he aint real. I have seen shadow dogs on the road and i have heard a womens voice call my name when im alone in the woods as an adult and at my house as a kid. Shits just neurons misfiring and the ole brain goofing up. Frequently i have dejavu followed by an impending sense of doom because i know i have done something wrong and died here. But thats not true thats just my brain fucking up in registering memories . If i leaned into all these id be a delusional nut bag. Well more delusional and nutty than i am now.