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The Acolyte Confederacy
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Postby The Acolyte Confederacy » Tue May 30, 2023 7:08 pm

Rary wrote:
La Xinga wrote:I believe in ghosts despite not seeing one, same could be said with literally every religious person who claims to not have seen G-d.

If that’s your belief, then I’m completely fine with it. It just happens to be wrong. Ghosts can easily be explained by science and religion is all a scam to increase the wealth and power of the clergy.

you sound like you are trying to troll. dont start bro
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue May 30, 2023 7:11 pm

In a morning with a lot of people around, I don't believe in ghosts.

After a good horror movie without gore/jumpscare and I'm alone... I'm booking a quick visit to an exorcist as soon as I hear a sound.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 7:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes ghosts do exist.

I believe what Ethan Hawke said. "I don't think we die. I don't think we have an understanding of the divine concept of time. I don't think we are anymore capable of understanding a clock than a dog is. I think there is something much bigger going on then we aware of and I lack neither the intelligence nor the DNA makeup to answer that question."

It’s possible but I doubt they exist. Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

For example we know that people who have sleep paralysis will claim to see certain figures or beings during their episodes. This has been proven to be something the mind tricks you into believing is real which then causes a positive feedback loop as you’ll be concerned it will happen again as it’s quite frightening.

For example I’m 99% sure I’ve had an episode of sleep paralysis as I was sleeping in my room and saw I dark figure with yellow eyes staring at me. I had intense fear and couldn’t move or anything but then suddenly I could and I was actually awake and frightened. I know I most likely hallucinated the whole thing but because it happened you’re still fearful that it could happen again.


When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.
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Postby Eahland » Tue May 30, 2023 7:39 pm

If the paranormal really existed, it'd just be called "normal". If the supernatural really existed, it'd just be called "natural". If magic really existed, it'd just be called "physics".

A few years back, we had a woman staying in my mom's house for the winter, and she asked Mom and I if there was any history of haunting, or if anyone had died in the house, because she kept hearing clanking and rattling noises like chains, and the stairway door would slam when no one was around. And, I mean, yeah, the house is 170 years old and has hydronic heating. It's drafty. It makes noises, especially in the winter. It rattles and clanks and creaks. There are drafts up the stairwell because heat rises, and it'll blow the door at the bottom closed if you leave it standing open. (We don't in the winter, not only to prevent slamming, but because the heat going up the stairwell means it ends up hot upstairs and cold downstairs.) She told me one time she came into the kitchen and the rocking chair was rocking by itself, and her cat ran out of the room in terror. When I offered the obvious explanation, she told me the cat didn't get on furniture, which is frankly a more unbelievable premise than the ghost thing. My favorite, though, was when she told us her daughter heard a creepy noise at night, and so she ran outside to hide in the barn until her mom got home. I mean, there are things that actually exist in the barn. I'd far rather deal with a ghost than an angry raccoon.
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Postby Eahland » Tue May 30, 2023 7:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s possible but I doubt they exist. Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

For example we know that people who have sleep paralysis will claim to see certain figures or beings during their episodes. This has been proven to be something the mind tricks you into believing is real which then causes a positive feedback loop as you’ll be concerned it will happen again as it’s quite frightening.

For example I’m 99% sure I’ve had an episode of sleep paralysis as I was sleeping in my room and saw I dark figure with yellow eyes staring at me. I had intense fear and couldn’t move or anything but then suddenly I could and I was actually awake and frightened. I know I most likely hallucinated the whole thing but because it happened you’re still fearful that it could happen again.


When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

Yes that's very convincing.
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Postby Sheizou » Tue May 30, 2023 7:49 pm

Rary wrote:
The Acolyte Confederacy wrote:im scared of them because i dont know what they did or who they are, but yes i believe they exist

Have you ever seen a ghost?


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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 7:49 pm

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

Yes that's very convincing.


Dont care what you think. I know what I saw. It was not human and not a hallucination.

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Postby La Xinga » Tue May 30, 2023 7:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes ghosts do exist.

I believe what Ethan Hawke said. "I don't think we die. I don't think we have an understanding of the divine concept of time. I don't think we are anymore capable of understanding a clock than a dog is. I think there is something much bigger going on then we aware of and I lack neither the intelligence nor the DNA makeup to answer that question."
Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

The Rambam (Reb Moishe ben Maimon) was a Jew, and thus he obviously believed in ghosts. See the book of Shmuel א (Samuel I).
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Postby Heavenly Assault » Tue May 30, 2023 9:09 pm

I believe human senses are limited and that the spirit transcends the physical realm. I thought Teal Swan's explanation of ghosts was interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnim2X0BBaE

All in all, it's a topic that deserves less derision and more research.

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Postby Eahland » Tue May 30, 2023 10:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eahland wrote:Yes that's very convincing.


Dont care what you think. I know what I saw. It was not human and not a hallucination.

Even leaving aside the minor problem that ghosts aren't real, I have serious doubts about your ability to determine that an entity is "pure evil" as you drive past it in a car. Are you a paladin? Do you get detect evil as an at-will SLA?
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Wed May 31, 2023 1:18 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s possible but I doubt they exist. Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

For example we know that people who have sleep paralysis will claim to see certain figures or beings during their episodes. This has been proven to be something the mind tricks you into believing is real which then causes a positive feedback loop as you’ll be concerned it will happen again as it’s quite frightening.

For example I’m 99% sure I’ve had an episode of sleep paralysis as I was sleeping in my room and saw I dark figure with yellow eyes staring at me. I had intense fear and couldn’t move or anything but then suddenly I could and I was actually awake and frightened. I know I most likely hallucinated the whole thing but because it happened you’re still fearful that it could happen again.


When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

regular sleep paralysis sufferer here and shadow dog seer due to no sleep for 72 hours and high doses of gas station pills. tis your wet ware bio computer screwing up

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Postby Techocracy101010 » Wed May 31, 2023 1:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s possible but I doubt they exist. Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

For example we know that people who have sleep paralysis will claim to see certain figures or beings during their episodes. This has been proven to be something the mind tricks you into believing is real which then causes a positive feedback loop as you’ll be concerned it will happen again as it’s quite frightening.

For example I’m 99% sure I’ve had an episode of sleep paralysis as I was sleeping in my room and saw I dark figure with yellow eyes staring at me. I had intense fear and couldn’t move or anything but then suddenly I could and I was actually awake and frightened. I know I most likely hallucinated the whole thing but because it happened you’re still fearful that it could happen again.


When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

Bo its a hallucination my guy no clue why folks cannot accept its just their brain fucking up . i have seen shadow dogs due to sleep deprivation and stimulant use. No dog no demon just fucked up brain chemistry. I have sleep paralysis there is no man in bandages bleeding in my room watching me thats just my brain fucking up. Is what it is brain screw up nothing special

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Postby The Remote Islands » Wed May 31, 2023 2:53 am

I'm standing in my apartment by myself right now so I'd say I'm pretty alone.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 3:02 am

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Dont care what you think. I know what I saw. It was not human and not a hallucination.

Even leaving aside the minor problem that ghosts aren't real, I have serious doubts about your ability to determine that an entity is "pure evil" as you drive past it in a car. Are you a paladin? Do you get detect evil as an at-will SLA?


They are.

Rary wrote:
La Xinga wrote:I believe in ghosts despite not seeing one, same could be said with literally every religious person who claims to not have seen G-d.

If that’s your belief, then I’m completely fine with it. It just happens to be wrong. Ghosts can easily be explained by science and religion is all a scam to increase the wealth and power of the clergy.


Please tell me you're being ironic.

The Remote Islands wrote:I'm standing in my apartment by myself right now so I'd say I'm pretty alone.


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Postby Point Blob » Wed May 31, 2023 3:24 am

... What century are we in again? I thought it was the 21st. Why are there still people believing in ghosts?
For that matter, why is religion still around?
Why haven't people got over this stuff yet?
I get that reality hurts sometimes, but denying it isn't a proper solution.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 3:26 am

Point Blob wrote:... What century are we in again? I thought it was the 21st. Why are there still people believing in ghosts?
For that matter, why is religion still around?
Why haven't people got over this stuff yet?
I get that reality hurts sometimes, but denying it isn't a proper solution.


Exactly. That's why we accept it instead of pretending ghosts or God doesn't exist.
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Postby Point Blob » Wed May 31, 2023 3:34 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Exactly. That's why we accept it instead of pretending ghosts or God doesn't exist.

They don't even meet the most rudimentary of prerequisites for existence.
So no. You are a reality-denier.

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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 3:39 am

Point Blob wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Exactly. That's why we accept it instead of pretending ghosts or God doesn't exist.

They don't even meet the most rudimentary of prerequisites for existence.
So no. You are a reality-denier.


Dude God is literally the reason you're even here right now and you call me a reality denier?
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Postby Point Blob » Wed May 31, 2023 3:42 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Dude God is literally the reason you're even here right now and you call me a reality denier?

You can't even meaningfully define the word without instantly hitting circular reasoning. It can't be "the reason" for anything. The entire idea requires overwhelming ignorance to function.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 3:47 am

Point Blob wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Dude God is literally the reason you're even here right now and you call me a reality denier?

You can't even meaningfully define the word without instantly hitting circular reasoning. It can't be "the reason" for anything. The entire idea requires overwhelming ignorance to function.


Don't make me laugh. You sound like someone ignorant of how the universe even started, or even fail to start a simple observation of anything around them. How could you think that when God is how you're even alive right now?
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Postby Point Blob » Wed May 31, 2023 4:02 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Don't make me laugh. You sound like someone ignorant of how the universe even started, or even fail to start a simple observation of anything around them. How could you think that when God is how you're even alive right now?

I don't really care whether you laugh or not... nor what someone so detached from reality believes I sound like.
You have a mental illness, and I hope you get over it eventually, though that seems unlikely.

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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 4:12 am

Point Blob wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Don't make me laugh. You sound like someone ignorant of how the universe even started, or even fail to start a simple observation of anything around them. How could you think that when God is how you're even alive right now?

I don't really care whether you laugh or not... nor what someone so detached from reality believes I sound like.
You have a mental illness, and I hope you get over it eventually, though that seems unlikely.


Says the guy so incorrect and confident at the same time. :rofl:
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Postby Point Blob » Wed May 31, 2023 4:20 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Says the guy so incorrect and confident at the same time. :rofl:

Says the guy who can't even support his own arguments.

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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed May 31, 2023 5:23 am

Point Blob wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Says the guy so incorrect and confident at the same time. :rofl:

Says the guy who can't even support his own arguments.


I already did. "(proof) is not proof!!1!" is not an argument.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 31, 2023 5:30 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s possible but I doubt they exist. Rambam says that most sightings of ghosts and demons are just mental illness. And he’s pretty much correct. Outside of the very rare occurrence of a miracle, it’s a mental health issue as your mind is playing tricks on you.

For example we know that people who have sleep paralysis will claim to see certain figures or beings during their episodes. This has been proven to be something the mind tricks you into believing is real which then causes a positive feedback loop as you’ll be concerned it will happen again as it’s quite frightening.

For example I’m 99% sure I’ve had an episode of sleep paralysis as I was sleeping in my room and saw I dark figure with yellow eyes staring at me. I had intense fear and couldn’t move or anything but then suddenly I could and I was actually awake and frightened. I know I most likely hallucinated the whole thing but because it happened you’re still fearful that it could happen again.


When I called some scientists arrogant atheists this is what I was talking about.

Who is this Rambam?

I for sure saw a pure evil entity years ago with a friend of mine while we were driving on a rural road. It was not a hallucination or brief episode of mental illness.

Probably was, though.
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