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EuroStralia wrote:

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Yes.

Explain how biden is more competent than Trump or DeSantis.

Well I can't cite everything that Trump and DeSantis have ever said and done. But basically that. It's marvelous that some people have deluded themselves into thinking that Biden (who is the political equivalent of white bread), is anything even approaching the dumpster fire that is Trump, or his Floridian frenemy.

Biden was elected to restore normalcy, and be uncontroversial, and he mostly has. It's just that Fox News is very good at inventing controversy.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote: Explain how biden is more competent than Trump or DeSantis.

Trump is a populist and will only do things to keep him relevant.
DeSantis willingly breaches the constitution in his own state for his socially conservative values.

Neither of those are true, DeSantis never breached the constitution.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:A man willingly breaching the first amendment by banning books in his own state?

That doesn't prove incompetence, also those books are only banned in schools, you can still get them elsewhere.

Banning those books in schools is denying the children the need and right to understand history of how fucked up the US was in its past. IT is pretty much willingly erase the pursuit of knowledge and critical understanding for children.
And then there is the LGBTQ+ issues of his, and is horrendous response to COVID.

The Pirateariat wrote:

EuroStralia wrote: Explain how biden is more competent than Trump or DeSantis.

Well I can't cite everything that Trump and DeSantis have ever said and done. But basically that. It's marvelous that some people have deluded themselves into thinking that Biden (who is the political equivalent of white bread), is anything even approaching the dumpster fire that is Trump, or his Floridian frenemy.

Biden was elected to restore normalcy, and be uncontroversial, and he mostly has. It's just that Fox News is very good at inventing controversy.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, and caring more about Ukraine than his own country, sure sounds uncontroversial to me.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:That doesn't prove incompetence, also those books are only banned in schools, you can still get them elsewhere.

Banning those books in schools is denying the children the need and right to understand history of how fucked up the US was in its past. IT is pretty much willingly erase the pursuit of knowledge and critical understanding for children.
And then there is the LGBTQ+ issues of his, and is horrendous response to COVID.

Parents can still buy those books for their children, or homeschool them.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Trump is a populist and will only do things to keep him relevant.
DeSantis willingly breaches the constitution in his own state for his socially conservative values.

Neither of those are true, DeSantis never breached the constitution.

So Trump did not hold political rallies all the time to make sure he keeps relevant for his supporters?

No, but DeSantis banning books in schools is close to breaching the 1st amendment.

How divorced from reality must one's outlook be to believe Trump is better than Biden?

I cannot stand Biden, but he is superb compared to Trump.

Celritannia wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah? That he pursues policy you disagree with doesn't make him incompetent. Speaking objectively he has done a whole load more stuff in the past year or two than Biden has.

It also very likely doesn't break the first amendment but that's an argument for another day.

Banning critical race theory and banning books is a breach of the first amendment. It is willingly denying children the need to learn about serious topics. Not to mention his anti-LGBTQ+ approach is also despicable.

Banning books is not a breach of the first amendment, that's been upheld many times in the past. As far back as the 1820s (and very likely earlier) books were being banned by both state and federal governments for various reasons.

EuroStralia wrote:

The Pirateariat wrote:Well I can't cite everything that Trump and DeSantis have ever said and done. But basically that. It's marvelous that some people have deluded themselves into thinking that Biden (who is the political equivalent of white bread), is anything even approaching the dumpster fire that is Trump, or his Floridian frenemy.

Biden was elected to restore normalcy, and be uncontroversial, and he mostly has. It's just that Fox News is very good at inventing controversy.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, and caring more about Ukraine than his own country, sure sounds uncontroversial to me.

Trump is the one who signed a deal with the Taliban to turn tail and run. Biden just went through with it.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Banning those books in schools is denying the children the need and right to understand history of how fucked up the US was in its past. IT is pretty much willingly erase the pursuit of knowledge and critical understanding for children.
And then there is the LGBTQ+ issues of his, and is horrendous response to COVID.

Parents can still buy those books for their children, or homeschool them.

Which is not the same when learning these topics in an actual education setting. Home Schooling does not promote a structured debate on these serious topics American students need to learn.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:Neither of those are true, DeSantis never breached the constitution.

So Trump did not hold political rallies all the time to make sure he keeps relevant for his supporters?

No, but DeSantis banning books in schools is close to breaching the 1st amendment.

He will be relevant to his supporters even if he doesn't hold a lot of rallies.

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:How divorced from reality must one's outlook be to believe Trump is better than Biden?

Not very.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:Parents can still buy those books for their children, or homeschool them.

Which is not the same when learning these topics in an actual education setting. Home Schooling does not promote a structured debate on these serious topics American students need to learn.

The books that are banned have no reason to be taught in schools.

EuroStralia wrote:

The Pirateariat wrote:Well I can't cite everything that Trump and DeSantis have ever said and done. But basically that. It's marvelous that some people have deluded themselves into thinking that Biden (who is the political equivalent of white bread), is anything even approaching the dumpster fire that is Trump, or his Floridian frenemy.

Biden was elected to restore normalcy, and be uncontroversial, and he mostly has. It's just that Fox News is very good at inventing controversy.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, and caring more about Ukraine than his own country, sure sounds uncontroversial to me.

I can't help but think that if he hadn't pulled out of Afghanistan, you'd be saying that he cares more about Afghanistan than his own country.

Without desperate, pathetic, laughable stretching and sophistry, he is mostly uncontroversial.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Banning critical race theory and banning books is a breach of the first amendment. It is willingly denying children the need to learn about serious topics. Not to mention his anti-LGBTQ+ approach is also despicable.

Banning books is not a breach of the first amendment, that's been upheld many times in the past. As far back as the 1820s (and very likely earlier) books were being banned by both state and federal governments for various reasons.

The 1820s was a different time period.
But to ban books that teaches American history, especially the evils of the US is DeSantis attempting to control what children are taught because of his "anti-woke" agenda.

The Pirateariat wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:Pulling out of Afghanistan, and caring more about Ukraine than his own country, sure sounds uncontroversial to me.

I can't help but think that if he hadn't pulled out of Afghanistan, you'd be saying that he cares more about Afghanistan than his own country.

I wouldn't, we should have stayed in Afghanistan.

The Pirateariat wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:Pulling out of Afghanistan, and caring more about Ukraine than his own country, sure sounds uncontroversial to me.

I can't help but think that if he hadn't pulled out of Afghanistan, you'd be saying that he cares more about Afghanistan than his own country.

Without desperate, pathetic, laughable stretching and sophistry, he is mostly uncontroversial.

It's "Trump is good and I hate Democrats, so let me work backwards from my conclusion to come up with talking points."

EuroStralia wrote:

The Pirateariat wrote:I can't help but think that if he hadn't pulled out of Afghanistan, you'd be saying that he cares more about Afghanistan than his own country.

I wouldn't, we should have stayed in Afghanistan.

Well since it was Trump who cut the deal with the Taliban to pull out, you should probably blame him then.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
So Trump did not hold political rallies all the time to make sure he keeps relevant for his supporters?

No, but DeSantis banning books in schools is close to breaching the 1st amendment.

He will be relevant to his supporters even if he doesn't hold a lot of rallies.

This does not dispute the fact Trump will only put policies in place while ever he has a fan base supporting them. HE doesn't care about the actual job, he is a TV personality - ratings are all he cares about.

The Pirateariat wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:I wouldn't, we should have stayed in Afghanistan.

Well since it was Trump who cut the deal with the Taliban to pull out, you should probably blame him then.

Biden still made the operation.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Which is not the same when learning these topics in an actual education setting. Home Schooling does not promote a structured debate on these serious topics American students need to learn.

The books that are banned have no reason to be taught in schools.

Why?

EuroStralia wrote:

The Pirateariat wrote:Well since it was Trump who cut the deal with the Taliban to pull out, you should probably blame him then.

Biden still made the operation.

So you're upset with Biden for doing what Trump said he'd do. That's what you consider "controversial."

I actually sort of agree, doing what Trump says is usually controversial. But it's never MORE controversial than Trump. Since it's doing what he said.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:The books that are banned have no reason to be taught in schools.

Why?

Children should be taught using unbiased books, not woke "information".

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:Why?

Children should be taught using unbiased books, not woke "information".

Imagine if the GOP was as afraid of guns as they are of books.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:Why?

Children should be taught using unbiased books, not woke "information".

Is banning mentions of Rosa Park's race unbiased?

Because they did that.

EuroStralia wrote:

Celritannia wrote:Why?

Children should be taught using unbiased books, not woke "information".

Oh FFS, anything can be classed as "woke" then. IT is a buzzword with no definition.
Basically it means "anything I do not like and isn't socially conservative".

Banning LGBTQ+ books is denying children who are part of that community the right to understand themselves. Banning books that discuss race issues and slavery is denying children the right to learn about their country's history. Those are not work, that's called fucking learning.

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And, DeSantis signed into law the school version of the Don't Ask Don't Tell, basically denying children the right to be themselves in a safe environment.
MEn like DeSantis are the villains in dystopian fiction.

Celritannia wrote:

EuroStralia wrote:Children should be taught using unbiased books, not woke "information".

Oh FFS, anything can be classed as "woke" then. IT is a buzzword with no definition.
Basically it means "anything I do not like and isn't socially conservative".

Banning LGBTQ+ books is denying children who are part of that community the right to understand themselves. Banning books that discuss race issues and slavery is denying children the right to learn about their country's history. Those are not work, that's called fucking learning.

The books aren't banned, only, rightfully may I add, removed from schools.