Ukrainian War VI: Pyrrhus Returns

[United Northen States Canada]

Ukraine knows that in order to win this war,they need to destabilize Russia government by bringing the war to Russian territory. At the same time, Russia needs to react but they have to know that an overreaction my trigger more and more wep delivers to Ukraine and God help us if a single missile from terrorist Russia hits NATO territories

[Bahrimontagn]

Ukraine knows that in order to win this war,they need to destabilize Russia government by bringing the war to Russian territory. At the same time, Russia needs to react but they have to know that an overreaction my trigger more and more wep delivers to Ukraine and God help us if a single missile from terrorist Russia hits NATO territories

I no longer want the west to be part of this money laundering scheme

[Enaia]

Drone strikes in Moscow residential buildings.

At least eight drones targeted Moscow early Tuesday, according to the Russian authorities, the first attack to hit civilian areas in the Russian capital and a potent sign that the war is increasingly reaching the heart of Russia.

The assault came after yet another overnight bombardment by Russian forces of the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, which has faced a barrage of attacks in recent weeks that have put the city on edge and tested the country’s air defenses. Kyiv was attacked with at least 20 drones early Tuesday, leaving one person dead and unnerving residents still reeling from a rare daytime missile attack the previous day.

The dueling strikes reflected the dialed-up tension and shifting priorities ahead of Ukraine’s expected counteroffensive. Ukraine has increasingly been reaching far into Russia-held territory, while Moscow has been adjusting its tactics in an effort to inflict significant damage on Kyiv.

Tuesday’s aerial assault on Moscow — in which at least three residential buildings sustained minor damage — comes weeks after a pair of explosions over the Kremlin, a bold and symbolic strike aimed at President Vladimir V. Putin’s seat of power. U.S. officials said the attack on the Kremlin was most likely orchestrated by one of Ukraine’s special military or intelligence units.

The Russian Defense Ministry blamed Ukraine for Tuesday’s assault on Moscow, describing the strike as a “terrorist attack” and saying that the drones had been intercepted. The Kremlin’s reaction was muted. Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, told reporters that the ministry “acted well” in responding to the attack, but declined to comment further.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, said Kyiv was not “directly involved” but was “happy” to watch. A spokesman for Ukraine’s Air Force, which typically maintains a policy of strategic ambiguity over attacks in Russia, declined to comment on the attack.

- New York Times

[Northern Seleucia]

Drone strikes in Moscow residential buildings.

Yeah, saw it.

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Ukraine knows that in order to win this war,they need to destabilize Russia government by bringing the war to Russian territory. At the same time, Russia needs to react but they have to know that an overreaction my trigger more and more wep delivers to Ukraine and God help us if a single missile from terrorist Russia hits NATO territories

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Yeah

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

So the Russians claim 8 drones attacked Moscow, they shot down five and the remaining ones were intercepted electronically. Does that mean it was the Russians who crashed them into the buildings?

[The North Polish Union]

Starting on 1 June Poland will close its border to road traffic for vehicles registered in Russia or Bielarus.

[Picairn]

Geolocation thread on Moscow's drone attack.

[Northern Seleucia]

Starting on 1 June Poland will close its border to road traffic for vehicles registered in Russia or Bielarus.

Good.

[Rusozak]

So... bets this Moscow drone strike is a false flag? Seems suspicious how quickly local government responded, and how the drones that hit residential buildings conveniently failed to detonate. The only surprise would be Russia deciding not to kill its own people in the ruse if that is the case.

[Adamede]

Ukraine knows that in order to win this war,they need to destabilize Russia government by bringing the war to Russian territory. At the same time, Russia needs to react but they have to know that an overreaction my trigger more and more wep delivers to Ukraine and God help us if a single missile from terrorist Russia hits NATO territories

I no longer want the west to be part of this money laundering scheme

Alright tell me how exactly is this money laundering?

[Adamede]

Starting on 1 June Poland will close its border to road traffic for vehicles registered in Russia or Bielarus.

Based Poland.

[Adamede]

The soviet ideology is an offshoot of Marxism and can demonstrably be used to basically just mean "I hate the west" which Marxist thought invites as a result of its precepts. Russia is still a marxist country. Marxist-Putinism. Much like Dengism and China's form of Marxism.

This is why Marxists like Chomsky agree with him more often than they agree with the west. Marxism demonstrably produces immoral societies which justify brutality in the belief that so long as they are murdering millions of people and engaged in widespread war crimes and sins in order to acquire power, it is justified as part of a "Revolution" against the western order. They have no morality beyond the pursuit of power and hatred of the west and desire to see it destroyed. It is only after this apocalyptic destruction of the west that they *might* then decide to have something resembling a conscience.

What? Putin is not a Marxist or even a Soviet lover. He explicitly criticized Lenin several times for allowing a legal secession method in the Soviet constitution, which was later cited by the seceding countries to separate from the USSR. He was also critical of Lenin's redrawing of borders along ethnic lines.
https://theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/ ... der-russia

Chomsky agrees with Putin's grievances about the West out of a kneejerk hatred against the US, not because they are ideological partners. Putin does not even pretend to be a communist or Marxist-Leninist, in fact he became disillusioned with communism.

Yah he seems to idolize the Russian Empire far more than the Soviet Union.

[Tarsonis]

I no longer want the west to be part of this money laundering scheme

Alright tell me how exactly is this money laundering?

Step 1: Give Ukraine tons of money and aid.

Step 2: ?????????

Step 3: Profit

[El Lazaro]

Lol.

Using the Russian independent Belarusian definition of country, if anyone has a small plot of land with a non-zero number of Russians you wish to cede to occupying troops, you could be eligible for free nuclear weapons. I wonder what the fine print under the terms and conditions says here. Is there such thing as 1:1 nuke replicas?

[Lativs]

You take 80s action movies too seriously.

If those weren't defining attributes of marxism, why else would so many western marxist academics keep shilling for shitty, murderous, genocidal regimes? We see a bunch of internet nobodies constantly telling us "That's not real communism" but the communists with doctorates certainly seem to think it is. Imagine if we had the current dynamic of the left pointing out how fashy the right wing is and the right wing kept saying "Nah bro that's not real conservatism" while right wingers with a doctorate was goose stepping around the courtyard and plugging racial phrenology at every opportunity.

You'd be tempted to say "Maybe you just don't understand it as well as its most educated proponents do, nor its critics.".

Why does somebody like Chomsky keep defending genocides and Imperialism from non-western powers and basing his behavior on marxist analysis? How does he apply that marxist analysis to Ukraine and come up with "This is all the wests fault"?

I guess Chomsky just doesn't understand Marxism, but you bud, you understand it better.

The United States has fought for human rights all the time, supporting democrats around the world. These include Pinochet, Duvalier, "Our son of a bitch" Somoza Debayle, and even Charles Taylor, an outright cannibal (in other words, a defender of such identity as anthropomorpho-foodophiles). All of them are the mouthpieces of liberalism and democracy, they cannot be compared with the bloody regimes established by the international department of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

[El Lazaro]

If those weren't defining attributes of marxism, why else would so many western marxist academics keep shilling for shitty, murderous, genocidal regimes? We see a bunch of internet nobodies constantly telling us "That's not real communism" but the communists with doctorates certainly seem to think it is. Imagine if we had the current dynamic of the left pointing out how fashy the right wing is and the right wing kept saying "Nah bro that's not real conservatism" while right wingers with a doctorate was goose stepping around the courtyard and plugging racial phrenology at every opportunity.

You'd be tempted to say "Maybe you just don't understand it as well as its most educated proponents do, nor its critics.".

Why does somebody like Chomsky keep defending genocides and Imperialism from non-western powers and basing his behavior on marxist analysis? How does he apply that marxist analysis to Ukraine and come up with "This is all the wests fault"?

I guess Chomsky just doesn't understand Marxism, but you bud, you understand it better.

The United States has fought for human rights all the time, supporting democrats around the world. These include Pinochet, Duvalier, "Our son of a bitch" Somoza Debayle, and even Charles Taylor, an outright cannibal (in other words, a defender of such identity as anthropomorpho-foodophiles). All of them are the mouthpieces of liberalism and democracy, they cannot be compared with the bloody regimes established by the international department of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

Besides a handful of alt-right “Libertarians”, who is even defending a single one of them? Not only are whataboutisms characterically irrelevant, but failing to even apply the whataboutism to a subject in the conversation makes them even more so.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Letting fascist Russia or absurdly capitalist PRC dominate the planet will not lead to some socialist world revolution
The inability of tankies to recognise this fact is greatly damaging to the socialist cause

[Tarsonis]

Letting fascist Russia or absurdly capitalist PRC dominate the planet will not lead to some socialist world revolution
The inability of tankies to recognise this fact is greatly damaging to the socialist cause

No see, first we cause a nuclear war wiping out most of humanity. Then in a remote part of Montana, a guy gets to work building a warp ship...

[Stellar Colonies]

Letting fascist Russia or absurdly capitalist PRC dominate the planet will not lead to some socialist world revolution
The inability of tankies to recognise this fact is greatly damaging to the socialist cause

No see, first we cause a nuclear war wiping out most of humanity. Then in a remote part of Montana, a guy gets to work building a warp ship...

…motivated by capitalism and an island of naked women…

[Tarsonis]

No see, first we cause a nuclear war wiping out most of humanity. Then in a remote part of Montana, a guy gets to work building a warp ship...

…motivated by capitalism and an island of naked women…

So Marx was right after all

[Primitive Communism]

Letting fascist Russia or absurdly capitalist PRC dominate the planet will not lead to some socialist world revolution
The inability of tankies to recognise this fact is greatly damaging to the socialist cause

Vanguardists have been hindering the Socialist cause since Lenin decided his fellow Leftists were a greater threat to the revolution than any reactionary movement. It's time we dropped the dead weight, I say, and be rid of those so prone to back-stabbing and supporting bandit regimes.

[El Lazaro]

Leftists are the main obstacle to leftism. It’s time we put an end to leftist betrayal of leftism.

[Corrian]

Someone pointing out that if Ukraine is the one who launched these drones at Moscow (likely), then Russia is basically admitting their air defense completely sucks all the way to Moscow and could only stop them at Moscow, not in the hundreds of km before.

[Tarsonis]

Someone pointing out that if Ukraine is the one who launched these drones at Moscow (likely), then Russia is basically admitting their air defense completely sucks all the way to Moscow and could only stop them at Moscow, not in the hundreds of km before.

What if we gave Ukraine one F-22 raptor and let them go wild with it? We're replacing it in 5 years anyway.

[Picairn]

First confirmed photo of a Russian S-400's command post being destroyed by a Ukrainian HIMARS strike.