Ukrainian War VI: Pyrrhus in Bakhmut

[Lativs]

Somehow Russia takes 9 months to capture Bakhmut and the Freedom Of Russia Legion takes like 6 hours to capture 2 villages. Shows just how bad Russia is at waging war.

Almost true, if we exclude the fact that it was not the Free Russia Legion, which is only on paper, since Ilya Ponomarev's concept of the collapse of Russia is supported only by freaks in the Russian emigre opposition (who are sitting on Western grants and dreaming of a nuclear strike on Moscow, see interview Kasparov Dudyu) by the type of Kasparov. This is the nationalist "Russian Volunteer Corps"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Somehow Russia takes 9 months to capture Bakhmut and the Freedom Of Russia Legion takes like 6 hours to capture 2 villages. Shows just how bad Russia is at waging war.

Almost true, if we exclude the fact that it was not the Free Russia Legion, which is only on paper, since Ilya Ponomarev's concept of the collapse of Russia is supported only by freaks in the Russian emigre opposition (who are sitting on Western grants and dreaming of a nuclear strike on Moscow, see interview Kasparov Dudyu) by the type of Kasparov. This is the nationalist "Russian Volunteer Corps"

what are you even on about dave

[Tarsonis]

Almost true, if we exclude the fact that it was not the Free Russia Legion, which is only on paper, since Ilya Ponomarev's concept of the collapse of Russia is supported only by freaks in the Russian emigre opposition (who are sitting on Western grants and dreaming of a nuclear strike on Moscow, see interview Kasparov Dudyu) by the type of Kasparov. This is the nationalist "Russian Volunteer Corps"

what are you even on about dave

The gist I got was, it's not liberal democrats uprising, it's hardliners smelling blood in the water.

[El Lazaro]

Somehow Russia takes 9 months to capture Bakhmut and the Freedom Of Russia Legion takes like 6 hours to capture 2 villages. Shows just how bad Russia is at waging war.

Almost true, if we exclude the fact that it was not the Free Russia Legion, which is only on paper, since Ilya Ponomarev's concept of the collapse of Russia is supported only by freaks in the Russian emigre opposition (who are sitting on Western grants and dreaming of a nuclear strike on Moscow, see interview Kasparov Dudyu) by the type of Kasparov. This is the nationalist "Russian Volunteer Corps"

Nah, Generalissimus Ilya Ponomarev will be the most powerful Russian warlord before this war ends. Maybe the only one. I’m not sure if there are any surviving pro-Russian separatists to speak of, Wagner has gone from an international mercenary army to a disloyal morass of penal battalions, and Kadyrov’s political career may be in a precarious place, like the windowsill of a conspicuously large, single-pane window. I know lots of the paramilitary shenanigans can be chalked up to competing for reinforcement/resupply, but increasingly disobedient and ineffective armed groups draining already limited resources can only go so far.

So be ready to bow down to these supposed emigré freaks and their cardboard legions, or at least to recognize them as the second least bad army in Russia.

[The Astral Mandate]

what are you even on about dave

The gist I got was, it's not liberal democrats uprising, it's hardliners smelling blood in the water.

If the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia starts an uprising, we're gonna have serious problems.

[Corrian]

Ukraine has also apparently been doing a LOOOT of bombing today of key targets

[The Selkie]

Apparently Kiev celebrates its birthday today, Kiev Day, so it is hereby confirmed, that Vladimir Meier is a party pooper. One, who's armed forces have sent 54 drones, had 40 intercepted and which have killed between one and two people, as well as up to three hurt (according to ORF).

[Lativs]

Almost true, if we exclude the fact that it was not the Free Russia Legion, which is only on paper, since Ilya Ponomarev's concept of the collapse of Russia is supported only by freaks in the Russian emigre opposition (who are sitting on Western grants and dreaming of a nuclear strike on Moscow, see interview Kasparov Dudyu) by the type of Kasparov. This is the nationalist "Russian Volunteer Corps"

Nah, Generalissimus Ilya Ponomarev will be the most powerful Russian warlord before this war ends. Maybe the only one. I’m not sure if there are any surviving pro-Russian separatists to speak of, Wagner has gone from an international mercenary army to a disloyal morass of penal battalions, and Kadyrov’s political career may be in a precarious place, like the windowsill of a conspicuously large, single-pane window. I know lots of the paramilitary shenanigans can be chalked up to competing for reinforcement/resupply, but increasingly disobedient and ineffective armed groups draining already limited resources can only go so far.

So be ready to bow down to these supposed emigré freaks and their cardboard legions, or at least to recognize them as the second least bad army in Russia.

By the way, I live next door to a man who personally communicated with Ilya Ponomarev when he was still a deputy ... From him the commander is like a ballerina from Trump. But, it is enough to remember what family he is from. In the US, there is an influential Clinton family, the Bushes. We have a Ponomarev family. His grandfather is the head of the international department of the CPSU, which sponsored the anti-war movement, the communist parties (including in the USA), is responsible for many pro-Soviet coups in the countries of the 3rd world. My father went into business, my mother into politics, to the Federation Council. That family, by the way, helped Khodorkovsky become an oligarch by making him controlled by his clan. They are serious about the great commander Ilya Ponomarev, who was not allowed to attend the united congress of the Russian liberal opposition in Berlin and one of the well-known bloggers, Maxim Katz, refused to shake hands. Everyone does not like him for his close connection with the military intelligence of Ukraine, which discredits all foreign opposition.

[Empire of Donner land]

New Perun video on the growing GMLRS capabilities of the Ukrainian Military, Storm Shadow, Russian adaptation, and why Ukraine needs and will get more of these capabilities in the future.

[Minoa]

In my opinion, Russia's territorial claims, including Crimea, as just as legitimate as those made up by ISIL the terrorist group: I know it sounds harsh, but in the context of the extreme levels of war crimes and massacres by the Putin regime, who could blame me?

And those nuclear threats have become so frequent on Russian state media, that they are basically crying wolf now.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

In my opinion, Russia's territorial claims, including Crimea, as just as legitimate as those made...

Oh no...

up by ISIL the terrorist group: I know it sounds harsh, but in the context of the extreme levels of war crimes and massacres by the Putin regime, who could blame me?

And those nuclear threats have become so frequent on Russian state media, that they are basically crying wolf now.

Ngl he got us in the first part.

[Bagiyagaram]

In my opinion, Russia's territorial claims, including Crimea, as just as legitimate as those made up by ISIL the terrorist group: I know it sounds harsh, but in the context of the extreme levels of war crimes and massacres by the Putin regime, who could blame me?

And those nuclear threats have become so frequent on Russian state media, that they are basically crying wolf now.

ISIL was attempting to form a qua-continental (Africa, Europe, Asia, and Oceania) caliphate by uniting vastly different cultures and people's under a vague "Islam" that they'd achieve after murdering thousands of Yazidi's, Shia's, or whatever other ethnic group got in the way.

Crimea is a place with a Russian-majority speaking and ethnic population, that had, pre-1954, existed as an autonomous republic in the USSR. It was then transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. In 1991, it again voted to become an Autonomous Republic. Even in 2014, it had voted strongly with the Pro-Russian Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych.

Now, this isn't to justify the invasion of Crimea, because that's what it was, an obvious powergrab, not a genuine attempt to reflect the autonomy and self-determination of the Crimean people. Don't even get me started at the mess with the Tatar peoples, forcefully expelled decades earlier. But i'd absolutely hold that in the case of a Russian-Ukrainian peace negotiation, the most likely way for this to end, Crimea should at the very least have the right to another referendum on there position, or, if it comes to it, be allowed to remain in Russia.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

But i'd absolutely hold that in the case of a Russian-Ukrainian peace negotiation, the most likely way for this to end, Crimea should at the very least have the right to another referendum on there position, or, if it comes to it, be allowed to remain in Russia.

We can absolutely have a Russian Crimea... if it remains 100% demilitarised so as to never form the springboard to another imperialist and colonialist war again.

[Continental Free States]

But i'd absolutely hold that in the case of a Russian-Ukrainian peace negotiation, the most likely way for this to end, Crimea should at the very least have the right to another referendum on there position, or, if it comes to it, be allowed to remain in Russia.

We can absolutely have a Russian Crimea... if it remains 100% demilitarised so as to never form the springboard to another imperialist and colonialist war again.

The precedent in Europe for what should be done about "region with a predominant minority that a neighboring country keeps trying to do wars of aggression by justifying that minority's rights and privileges" is to send the minority living in that region to their motherland. Either Russians in Crimea will get used to being citizens of Ukraine with no special privileges, or they can leave Crimea, there should be no compromises or "second referendums". The first one wasn't legitimate in the first place.

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

We can absolutely have a Russian Crimea... if it remains 100% demilitarised so as to never form the springboard to another imperialist and colonialist war again.

The precedent in Europe for what should be done about "region with a predominant minority that a neighboring country keeps trying to do wars of aggression by justifying that minority's rights and privileges" is to send the minority living in that region to their motherland. Either Russians in Crimea will get used to being citizens of Ukraine with no special privileges, or they can leave Crimea, there should be no compromises or "second referendums". The first one wasn't legitimate in the first place.

Tens of thousands of Russian settlers were imported to the peninsula following Russia’s annexation. Many have fled since the war began inching ever closer to that occupied territory, but many yet remain.

[Picairn]

I'm rather partial to Ukraine's plan to only deport the post-2014 imperial settlers and no one else. That way, the original pre-2014 inhabitants can still remain. Ukrainians who have been forcibly given Russian citizenship will also continue to be recognized as Ukrainian citizens.

[Picairn]

But i'd absolutely hold that in the case of a Russian-Ukrainian peace negotiation, the most likely way for this to end, Crimea should at the very least have the right to another referendum on there position, or, if it comes to it, be allowed to remain in Russia.

Conducting another referendum right now is rather dishonest though, there are about 500,000 - 800,000 Russian imperial settlers who have migrated into the peninsula since the 2014 annexation. That is a gigantic voting bloc that can decisively sway the results towards Russia, and it is not a legitimate representation of the will of the original pre-2014 Crimeans, many of whom have fled after the Russian annexation, especially the Tatars who were systematically oppressed.

[The Archregimancy]

Just want to take a moment to state that the title of this version of the thread does a serious disservice to Pyrrhus of Epirus, who was one of the most highly regarded generals of Classical Antiquity.

Pyrrhus was highly rated as a general by his contemporaries and near-contemporaries, and was one of the very few generals other than Hannibal (who considered Pyrrhus the best general ever known, except perhaps for Alexander and Hannibal himself) to consistently defeat Roman legions in open battle.

Pyrrhus's statement after the Battle of Asculum that 'if we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined', which symbolises the concept of the Pyrrhic victory is misremembered and misunderstood. In fact, Roman casualties at Asculum seem to have been nearly twice as high as Epirote casualties. Pyrrhus's statement was a recognition of logistics and politics; since he was fighting in southern Italy, it was much harder for him to quickly replace troops - particularly reliable veteran troops - from across the Strait of Otranto, and his allies in Italy were showing a distinct lack of enthusiasm in supporting him as he gained more successes.

The Russians have no generals with the flair or ability of Pyrrhus.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Just want to take a moment to state that the title of this version of the thread does a serious disservice to Pyrrhus of Epirus, who was one of the most highly regarded generals of Classical Antiquity.

Pyrrhus was highly rated as a general by his contemporaries and near-contemporaries, and was one of the very few generals other than Hannibal (who considered Pyrrhus the best general ever known, except perhaps for Alexander and Hannibal himself) to consistently defeat Roman legions in open battle.

Pyrrhus's statement after the Battle of Asculum that 'if we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined', which symbolises the concept of the Pyrrhic victory is misremembered and misunderstood. In fact, Roman casualties at Asculum seem to have been nearly twice as high as Epirote casualties. Pyrrhus's statement was a recognition of logistics and politics; since he was fighting in southern Italy, it was much harder for him to quickly replace troops - particularly reliable veteran troops - from across the Strait of Otranto, and his allies in Italy were showing a distinct lack of enthusiasm in supporting him as he gained more successes.

The Russians have no generals with the flair or ability of Pyrrhus.

They have generals with the flair and ability of Kevin from the office huffing glue furiously.

[New haven america]

i think ukraine likes their new missiles

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Just want to take a moment to state that the title of this version of the thread does a serious disservice to Pyrrhus of Epirus, who was one of the most highly regarded generals of Classical Antiquity.

Pyrrhus was highly rated as a general by his contemporaries and near-contemporaries, and was one of the very few generals other than Hannibal (who considered Pyrrhus the best general ever known, except perhaps for Alexander and Hannibal himself) to consistently defeat Roman legions in open battle.

Pyrrhus's statement after the Battle of Asculum that 'if we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined', which symbolises the concept of the Pyrrhic victory is misremembered and misunderstood. In fact, Roman casualties at Asculum seem to have been nearly twice as high as Epirote casualties. Pyrrhus's statement was a recognition of logistics and politics; since he was fighting in southern Italy, it was much harder for him to quickly replace troops - particularly reliable veteran troops - from across the Strait of Otranto, and his allies in Italy were showing a distinct lack of enthusiasm in supporting him as he gained more successes.

The Russians have no generals with the flair or ability of Pyrrhus.

They have generals with the flair and ability of Kevin from the office huffing glue furiously.

Considering that Russian generals could fairly compete with the average II-godmodder in capricious, brutal stupidity, that's a disservice to Kevin.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

They have generals with the flair and ability of Kevin from the office huffing glue furiously.

Considering that Russian generals could fairly compete with the average II-godmodder in capricious, brutal stupidity, that's a disservice to Kevin.

What was it I said?

“the Russian army is 7 Vodkensky Conscriptoviches in one half working Lada carrying a washing machine and half an Ak-47, led by the people from House of Cards, if written by 4 dozen drunk teletubbies and Mr Bean in a room with a gas leak.”

[The Two Jerseys]

They have generals with the flair and ability of Kevin from the office huffing glue furiously.

Considering that Russian generals could fairly compete with the average II-godmodder in capricious, brutal stupidity, that's a disservice to Kevin.

Kevin can make chili, he's already far more competent than the Russian generals.

[Oceasia]

I'm rather partial to Ukraine's plan to only deport the post-2014 imperial settlers and no one else. That way, the original pre-2014 inhabitants can still remain. Ukrainians who have been forcibly given Russian citizenship will also continue to be recognized as Ukrainian citizens.

I've been wondering what Ukraine should do if/when they enter territories with a theoretically large proportion of people that would be hostile to them. I think this is the best plan they've got, and is honestly far less extreme than my position on settlements in the West Bank.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

They have generals with the flair and ability of Kevin from the office huffing glue furiously.

Considering that Russian generals could fairly compete with the average II-godmodder in capricious, brutal stupidity, that's a disservice to Kevin.

TFW Hurty's NS-'tactics' when they were just starting to play would actually be a step up from whatever Shoigu is doing.

For one, we hired mercenaries with T-34s from day-one.

Then started yeeting air-raids with the cheapest planes we could build.

And fielding guns with that over-the-horizon ability usually left to railway-artillery and ground based missiles.

But then again, then they'd need better public relations than the People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts, a nation whose name just scream "We commit the warcrimes so you don't have to".
(Somehow they got hired to be the NS-Vatican Guard by one of the self-proclaimed Popes right before a civil war broke out followed shortly thereafter by a nuclear Jihad)

But yeah.... that's actually... pretty bad/WW1 levels of being out of touch with reality. Even Blackadder Goes Forth levels of parody.