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Postby Komarovo » Mon May 22, 2023 9:08 am

Hidrandia wrote:Has russia even entered the 21st century millitary wise?

Doubt it, I suppose.
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Postby Bayerischer Faschistenstaat » Mon May 22, 2023 9:13 am

In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 22, 2023 9:14 am

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.

What would happen if Finland invaded Australia????????

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Postby Oceasia » Mon May 22, 2023 9:16 am

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.

Except Russia already has NATO on its borders with countries that aren't Ukraine, which had 0 chance of joining NATO before 2022. The hypothetical invasion of Mexico also wouldn't be justified.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon May 22, 2023 9:20 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:So Russia apparently evacuated their nukes from a facility near Grayvoron. Not a reason to panic or anything, Russia is probably just making sure the nukes stay under the control of Putin.

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Oh yeah these geniuses have a bunch of atom bombs still near the Ukrainian border don't they?

Yo imagine an artillery shell, or, more realistically, a failed Russian rocket, crashed into those.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon May 22, 2023 9:24 am

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Postby Utquiagvik » Mon May 22, 2023 9:27 am

Freedom Of Russia Legion has apparently claimed that they are now in control of three different villages and fighting for the control of Grayvoron.

https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments ... utm_term=1

If true, it just further shows how poor the condition of Russia’s army is. Belgorod’s regional officials have reported 4 settlements have been partially or completely captured, an area larger than Bakhmut captured in 6 hours.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarRoom ... utm_term=1
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon May 22, 2023 9:28 am

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.


Let's be honest though, if mexico sided with China tomorrow to protect it from America, the rest of the world would laugh at America. Russia can blame themselves for all their neighbors going "America and western Europe, please defend us from these guy to our east."
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Postby German-Eurpean Union » Mon May 22, 2023 9:35 am

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.


Have you watched the Jake Tran video on Russia-Ukraine?

So the diffirence between the two situations is that China pulling troops into Mexico or Canada would be for no reason at all the US did not tried to invade either of the two nor did it threaned them to do so. On the other hand we have Russia who has already invaded Ukraine twice before that already invaded Georgia twice which means Ukraine trying to join NATO would just be Ukraine trying to get allies that can deter a Russian invasion China pulling troops into Mexico or Canada would just be a agression on the US.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 22, 2023 9:38 am

The PLA in Canada or Mexico is as nonsensical as a Finnish invasion of Australia anyway, since
1. There is no domestic political movement whatsoever that supports having Chinese troops actually physically on the North American continent.
2. The PLA has no capability whatsoever of sustaining significant number of troops on the North American continent.
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Postby Corrian » Mon May 22, 2023 9:49 am

Didn't expect to wake up to Russia being attacked in Russia itself.
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Postby Kandorith » Mon May 22, 2023 10:26 am

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:In my ‘unbiased’ stance, I would like to point out that Russia did feel the need to defend themselves from NATO expansion.
How would America react with Mexico suddenly allowed Chinese troops to march near their borders? At best, probably the same way we reacted with the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed miserably.

"unbiased" - uses the exact strawman Vatniks have been using for the past 9 years.

This is as nonsensical as for example Norway marching into Thailand.

NATO is a military defensive alliance and has most expansion has been caused by surprise: Russia's actions.
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Postby The Dodo Republic » Mon May 22, 2023 10:50 am

Utquiagvik wrote:Freedom Of Russia Legion has apparently claimed that they are now in control of three different villages and fighting for the control of Grayvoron.

https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments ... utm_term=1

If true, it just further shows how poor the condition of Russia’s army is. Belgorod’s regional officials have reported 4 settlements have been partially or completely captured, an area larger than Bakhmut captured in 6 hours.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarRoom ... utm_term=1

What the hell? How big is this attack? What are they trying to do?
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon May 22, 2023 10:53 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:Freedom Of Russia Legion has apparently claimed that they are now in control of three different villages and fighting for the control of Grayvoron.

https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments ... utm_term=1

If true, it just further shows how poor the condition of Russia’s army is. Belgorod’s regional officials have reported 4 settlements have been partially or completely captured, an area larger than Bakhmut captured in 6 hours.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarRoom ... utm_term=1

What the hell? How big is this attack? What are they trying to do?

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon May 22, 2023 10:55 am

Corrian wrote:Didn't expect to wake up to Russia being attacked in Russia itself.

I know, right?
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon May 22, 2023 11:02 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
The Dodo Republic wrote:What the hell? How big is this attack? What are they trying to do?

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Uprising in Russia! Oh shit
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon May 22, 2023 11:02 am

Bradfordville wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:
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Uprising in Russia! Oh shit

:twisted: It's all coming together.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon May 22, 2023 11:03 am

Bradfordville wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:
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Uprising in Russia! Oh shit

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
Uprising in Russia! Oh shit

:twisted: It's all coming together.

:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby Kandorith » Mon May 22, 2023 11:05 am

Corrian wrote:Didn't expect to wake up to Russia being attacked in Russia itself.

Putin has announced a new Special Military Operation to protect the Russian-speaking Russians from Russians invading Russia from Russia.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Mon May 22, 2023 11:07 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
Uprising in Russia! Oh shit

The Astral Mandate wrote: :twisted: It's all coming together.

:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:

*looks at Karelia, Murmansk, and Leningrad oblasts*
:unsure: is for me?
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Postby Deblar » Mon May 22, 2023 11:14 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:
:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:

*looks at Karelia, Murmansk, and Leningrad oblasts*
:unsure: is for me?

No…

Is for US

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Postby Raskana » Mon May 22, 2023 11:15 am

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:
:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:

*looks at Karelia, Murmansk, and Leningrad oblasts*
:unsure: is for me?

I call dibs on Nizjni Tagil. 8)

But really, what do you all think this really is?
The start of a revolt or just a few dissidents?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon May 22, 2023 11:18 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
Uprising in Russia! Oh shit

The Astral Mandate wrote: :twisted: It's all coming together.

:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:


Establish a Second Republic.

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:
:twisted: :twisted: Let's carve up the country! :twisted: :twisted:


Establish a Second Republic.

Reestablish the monarchy! Make Russia reactionary again!
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon May 22, 2023 11:24 am

Corrian wrote:Didn't expect to wake up to Russia being attacked in Russia itself.


Imagine launching an invasion of another country because you're scared of NATO using it as a jump off point to Invade you, and then your war leads to you being invaded by you but in different uniforms.
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