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Picairn wrote:

Khardsland wrote:Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

Russian oligarchs are exerting plenty of influence in the occupied territories of Ukraine and several African countries under Wagner's thumb.

In fact, many where were avid supporters of the invasion of Ukraine, hoping to expand their businesses to the conquered territories.

Picairn wrote:Lenin's own quote admitted it was state capitalism, is there a point here?

You're literally apologising for the most reactionary capitalist state in the world. You'd cheer for the German Empire to get back at Britain.

I let someone convince me of stupid things a few days back on TRR's RMB, hence my now redacted comment about Lenin.

Yeah, it is clearly State Capitalism, and even then, China is even more capitalistic than Lenin and the Soviets were here. Neither of them were ever workers' states however, and deserve no deference.

How is any of this related to the Ukraine war even, apart from one user's persistent need to connect everything to "Statesian"-Jewish Capitalist Imperialist Colonialist Militarism?

French TV channel documenting Ukrainian forces in Sudan fighting against the RSF/Wagner Group

The tweet suggests Ukraine isn't really coordinating with the Sudanese government in their operations, but one of the replies from a Sudanese who claims to have watched the full report said that there is direct cooperation between the 2 countries.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:How is any of this related to the Ukraine war even, apart from one user's persistent need to connect everything to "Statesian"-Jewish Capitalist Imperialist Colonialist Militarism?

Besides way too many "Communist" orgs being nothing but Putin stooges and a protest in Greece blocking a train full of NATO tanks, it doesn't pertain to this war very much.

theorically a most brief summary as yours, unbalanced "economic imperialism" grew so ill to use terror and physical disgregation as tool to submit whatever opposition to unavoidability of the "stream" of profit.

in regards to communism, be it statist or relolutionary, and capitalistic pluralism, nowadays we rather disgress of rule of law or absolutism.

here the dive may also end, for ours is not phase due to theory, but phase to send the royal air force.

Oh. Someone missed an appointment. Namely the Russian Ambassador to Poland. Who was invited to explain the entry of a Russian cruise missile into Polish airspace.
(Article in German.)

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:How is any of this related to the Ukraine war even, apart from one user's persistent need to connect everything to "Statesian"-Jewish Capitalist Imperialist Colonialist Militarism?

Besides way too many "Communist" orgs being nothing but Putin stooges and a protest in Greece blocking a train full of NATO tanks, it doesn't pertain to this war very much.

Those idiots are lucky the train was able to stop.

Uvolla wrote:you know the estimated 61,911,000 people that died during soviet rule would wholeheartedly disagree with you that the USSR should be reformed and that's just a median estimate for all we know it could have been as high as 126,891,000 people but I guess that doesn't matter to you

Imagine unironically citing the Black Book of Communism - a book that has been debunked by its very own co-authors.

Khardsland wrote:

Uvolla wrote:you know the estimated 61,911,000 people that died during soviet rule would wholeheartedly disagree with you that the USSR should be reformed and that's just a median estimate for all we know it could have been as high as 126,891,000 people but I guess that doesn't matter to you

Imagine unironically citing the Black Book of Communism - a book that has been debunked by its very own co-authors.

but i never took anything from the black book of communism, i got my information from the university of hawaii

It'd be grand if we treated russian tankie imperialism against peoples like Estonians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians etc seriously only on 30th of February.

Uvolla wrote:but i never took anything from the black book of communism, i got my information from the university of hawaii

The UH...which is funded by Mark Zuckerberg - someone who runs the risk of having his business nationalized by a socialist takeover

Screw it! No point derailing the thread.

Khardsland wrote:Screw it! No point derailing the thread.

If you don't want to derail the thread then simply refrain from posting stuff from your loreboard, yes that one with threads going fucking everywhere.
Just like how I don't indulge in fantasies about a Greater India to the Iranian border.

Khardsland wrote:

Uvolla wrote:but i never took anything from the black book of communism, i got my information from the university of hawaii

The UH...which is funded by Mark Zuckerberg - someone who runs the risk of having his business nationalized by a socialist takeover

Screw it! No point derailing the thread.

I hate this. Not your weird conspiratorial opinion, that's just vintage you and good for a laugh like most of the drivel you spew, what I really hate is how you wrote it. There's a smorgasbord of people on this site from no-posts to turbo users who play this coy game of "I'll give my opinion, but you can't respond because that would be derailing the thread, ne ne I win". Just nut up and have the discussion until the janny's show up to tell you to shut up, don't be such a fucking coward.

Khardsland wrote:

Uvolla wrote:but i never took anything from the black book of communism, i got my information from the university of hawaii

The UH...which is funded by Mark Zuckerberg - someone who runs the risk of having his business nationalized by a socialist takeover

Screw it! No point derailing the thread.

trust me i can continue this for as long as i want because i know there's a point where you won't be able to pull information from your conspiracy board

Actually vladp can perfectly have his russian empire, he can even have a fucking golden toilet throne if he wants.
Provided that all this imperious nonsense is kept within the russian borders of the late 90's.

Khardsland wrote:

Port Carverton wrote:Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

You’ve got to be joking.

Picairn wrote:

Khardsland wrote:Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too


The entire point of socialism is to oppose the largest imperialist power in the world - currently, that is the Statesian empire. While Russia absolutely is a capitalist state, its aims of dismantling NATO align with those of socialists. In the final moment, returning to the USSR is a must. Until then, the oligarchy is useful.

Lenin's own quote admitted it was state capitalism, is there a point here?

You're literally apologising for the most reactionary capitalist state in the world. You'd cheer for the German Empire to get back at Britain.

He’d probably cheer on the Nazis if this was 1940.

The Apollonian Systems wrote:

Khardsland wrote:Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

You’ve got to be joking.

Changing the definition of a word lets you say anything you want.

Khardsland wrote:

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Oh, [China] absolutely is [capitalist].

Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too

Yes, it literally was. Lenin himself admitted that the New Economic Policy was reintroducing capitalism to the Soviet economy for the purposes of building up the means of production. It had nothing to do with introducing "market principles" to socialism. It was capitalism.

Picairn wrote:

Khardsland wrote:Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too


The entire point of socialism is to oppose the largest imperialist power in the world - currently, that is the Statesian empire. While Russia absolutely is a capitalist state, its aims of dismantling NATO align with those of socialists. In the final moment, returning to the USSR is a must. Until then, the oligarchy is useful.

Lenin's own quote admitted it was state capitalism, is there a point here?

You're literally apologising for the most reactionary capitalist state in the world. You'd cheer for the German Empire to get back at Britain.

No, you see, Russia is a proletarian nation fighting against the plutocratic nation of Ukraine, backed by the plutocratic nations of the west.
- Italian fascists, probably.

(..you do not believe me if I tell you literally same statement italian fascist “descendants” at present day in streets and medias, while we type. largest faction of political majority)

obviously, official public statement they give, in interviews given at handshake occasions, is opposite(*)

(*) clarify, putin amicable faction I refer to is berlusconi-lega. for paradox, nationalist faction instead, sometimes referred to as “post fascist” for their past, seen as closer to ukraine in the shadow play.

I don't understand how NatCons in the West see milquetoast western politicians as deeply corrupt nazi pedophiles, but Russia who does have serious problems with corruption (funds for the invasion getting stolen)and ultranationalists (land annexation is fine), not to mention it has serious problems related to human trafficking (a large part of CSEM comes from Russia), is a deeply moral country who has the interests of its citizens in mind

Khardsland wrote:

Stellar Colonies wrote:[box]Poland demands explanation from Russia after a missile enters its airspace during attack on Ukraine (AP News)

We had this whole debacle a couple years ago...the missile proved to be Ukrainian

Separate incident.

There have been... a LOT of shots fired in this conflict.

Phoeniae wrote:(..you do not believe me if I tell you literally same statement italian fascist “descendants” at present day in streets and medias, while we type. largest faction of political majority)

obviously, official public statement they give, in interviews given at handshake occasions, is opposite(*)

(*) clarify, putin amicable faction I refer to is berlusconi-lega. for paradox, nationalist faction instead, sometimes referred to as “post fascist” for their past, seen as closer to ukraine in the shadow play.

I don't think you are being fair. I find most of their social policies abhorrent, but it is still true that the descendants of Italian fascists, as you called it, are actually making meaningful contributions to Ukraine and Europe's security. FdI is the most obvious example. The party indeed used to favor friendly stances with Russia, but after the invasion, Meloni took a very hard stance and she has been instrumental in helping Ukraine and strengthening NATO, in particular regarding Orban. Berlusconi is dead and Tajani who took over the party is a known europhilic, going as far as calling for the establishment of an European Army. As for Lega, they did have several ties with Russia and despite trying to cut them, a lot of doubts still remain. All that being said, they aren't that influential nowadays, at least not compared with FdI.