Ukrainian War VI: Pyrrhus Returns

[Port Carverton]

Owning western imperialism… by supporting Russian imperialism. Got ‘em.

Remind me, how many Fortune 100 companies does Russia have?

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

[Empire of Donner land]

Owning western imperialism… by supporting Russian imperialism. Got ‘em.

Remind me, how many Fortune 100 companies does Russia have?

None, because the list of fortune 100 and 500 companies is a list of explicitly only US companies to track only the US's corporate health.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Owning western imperialism… by supporting Russian imperialism. Got ‘em.

Remind me, how many Fortune 100 companies does Russia have?

This doesn't refute anything.

Judging by the state of the west these days, we probably won’t. We still haven’t done the same with certain religions, despite the complete incompatibility.

Lamenting the failure of the west to carry out the right sort of ethnic cleansing. Interesting.

Not really surprising to see someone with hard-right views call for that, tbh.

[Uvolla]

Judging by the state of the west these days, we probably won’t. We still haven’t done the same with certain religions, despite the complete incompatibility.

Lamenting the failure of the west to carry out the right sort of ethnic cleansing. Interesting.

they're a right leaning nationalist, you can't expect them to not think about ethnic cleansing

edit: I'm not calling them dumb i'm just saying they aren't listening to the facts given to them that prove them wrong

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Remind me, how many Fortune 100 companies does Russia have?

None, because the list of fortune 100 and 500 companies is a list of explicitly only US companies to track only the US's corporate health.

Because some people think it is only imperialism when the west does it, I guess, and doesn't entertain anything contrary to that narrative.

[Khardsland]

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

They exert influence in other countries in Eastern Europe. What are you talking about?

And being "bad" at imperialism does not mean it is not imperialism.

[Uvolla]

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

then I guess that China is a capitalist country considering it does everything you just stated

[Port Carverton]

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

Oh I guess the US must not be imperialist since they helped Ukraine, Poland, Germany, the Baltics, etc. not be under Soviet control.

Also the rest is just nonsense. Russia has massive impacts on oil prices throughout the world, they are clearly able to exert influence outside its borders

[Turenia]

Not really surprising to see someone with hard-right views call for that, tbh.

Hard right? That’s an insult and is defamatory. What lead you to form this opinion of me?

[Empire of Donner land]

Imperialism isn't based on how many big companies you have, its based on wanting to conquer and control smaller and weaker countries for the purpose of having a sphere of influence, something Russia has admitted is their goal since the start of the invasion

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

Okay. Lets go back to your fortune 100 company argument. Gazprom made 37.9 Billion Dollars in revenue in 2023 (converted from rubles, of course). This places it, in the fortune 100, somewhere in the top 20 to top 30 of US Companies.

Russia has Fortune 100 companies. You're wrong. Please research your arguments before posting here.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

then I guess that China is a capitalist country considering it does everything you just stated

Oh, it absolutely is.

But to be frank, Khardsland's ideology is just anti-Americanism and anti-western sentiment. Not socialism, not communism, certainly not anti-imperialism. Hence their support for anything that is not the U.S., regardless if it abides by socialist principles or not.

[Haganham]

Activists in northeastern Greece stop train carrying NATO tanks

Tankies blocking the tanks

When will the west finally throw communism into the dustbin of history like we did with Nazism?

That's the fun part. We never did.
We defeated the fascists just to rebuild our society according to their foundations, even invoking the name of antifascism in doing so.

[Port Carverton]

then I guess that China is a capitalist country considering it does everything you just stated

Oh, it absolutely is.

But to be frank, Khardsland's ideology is just anti-Americanism and anti-western sentiment. Not socialism, not communism, certainly not anti-imperialism. Hence their support for anything that is not the U.S., regardless if it abides by socialist principles or not.

It's certainly in line with socialist movements seeing how they have overwhelmingly backed Russia outside of the West. Just one more reason to oppose it.

[Durius]

When will the west finally throw communism into the dustbin of history like we did with Nazism?

That's the fun part. We never did.
We defeated the fascists just to rebuild our society according to their foundations, even invoking the name of antifascism in doing so.

That's a ridiculous suggestion.

[Khardsland]

Oh, [China] absolutely is [capitalist].

Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too

But to be frank, Khardsland's ideology is just anti-Americanism and anti-western sentiment. Not socialism, not communism, certainly not anti-imperialism. Hence their support for anything that is not the U.S., regardless if it abides by socialist principles or not.

The entire point of socialism is to oppose the largest imperialist power in the world - currently, that is the Statesian empire. While Russia absolutely is a capitalist state, its aims of dismantling NATO align with those of socialists. In the final moment, returning to the USSR is a must. Until then, the oligarchy is useful.

[Khardsland]

That's the fun part. We never did.
We defeated the fascists just to rebuild our society according to their foundations, even invoking the name of antifascism in doing so.

That's a ridiculous suggestion.

Reactionism...reactionism never changes

[Empire of Donner land]

That's a ridiculous suggestion.

Reactionism...reactionism never changes

I'm gonna go ahead and say that he's trolling given the ridiculous things he's saying and no one has to pay heed to his arguments or words for the next three or so Ukraine war threads.

[Khardsland]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that he's trolling given the ridiculous things he's saying and no one has to pay heed to his arguments or words for the next three or so Ukraine war threads.

Alright, let me just find the soul of a capitalist to sacrifice on the altar of Karl Marx. After that, all trolling will become a thing of the past.

[Fahran]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that he's trolling given the ridiculous things he's saying and no one has to pay heed to his arguments or words for the next three or so Ukraine war threads.

Good morning.

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[Picairn]

Imperialism is the ability of a country's capitalist class to exert its influence outside of its borders. Given that Russian oligarchs can barely work within their own country - its productive forces have not been developed enough to initiate imperialism in its occupied territories. Moreover, imperialist states don't support national liberation movements.

Russian oligarchs are exerting plenty of influence in the occupied territories of Ukraine and several African countries under Wagner's thumb.

[Kaumudeen]

When will the west finally throw communism into the dustbin of history like we did with Nazism?

Judging by the state of the west these days, we probably won’t. We still haven’t done the same with certain religions, despite the complete incompatibility.

Go on.... Say the quiet part out loud for us

[Dimetrodon Empire]

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[Picairn]

Oh, [China] absolutely is [capitalist].

Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too

But to be frank, Khardsland's ideology is just anti-Americanism and anti-western sentiment. Not socialism, not communism, certainly not anti-imperialism. Hence their support for anything that is not the U.S., regardless if it abides by socialist principles or not.

The entire point of socialism is to oppose the largest imperialist power in the world - currently, that is the Statesian empire. While Russia absolutely is a capitalist state, its aims of dismantling NATO align with those of socialists. In the final moment, returning to the USSR is a must. Until then, the oligarchy is useful.

Lenin's own quote admitted it was state capitalism, is there a point here?

You're literally apologising for the most reactionary capitalist state in the world. You'd cheer for the German Empire to get back at Britain.

[Uvolla]

Oh, [China] absolutely is [capitalist].

Guess Lenin's USSR was capitalist too

But to be frank, Khardsland's ideology is just anti-Americanism and anti-western sentiment. Not socialism, not communism, certainly not anti-imperialism. Hence their support for anything that is not the U.S., regardless if it abides by socialist principles or not.

The entire point of socialism is to oppose the largest imperialist power in the world - currently, that is the Statesian empire. While Russia absolutely is a capitalist state, its aims of dismantling NATO align with those of socialists. In the final moment, returning to the USSR is a must. Until then, the oligarchy is useful.

you know the estimated 61,911,000 people that died during soviet rule would wholeheartedly disagree with you that the USSR should be reformed and that's just a median estimate for all we know it could have been as high as 126,891,000 people but I guess that doesn't matter to you