Ukrainian War VI: Pyrrhus Returns

[Herador]

you'll find that the person they were quoting was a Telegram channel. Isn't that neat?

DeepStateUA is a Ukrainian organization operating under a formal information-sharing agreement agreement with the Ukrainian MoD, not some random guy on Telegram. They're more knowledgeable about the situation on the front than Western journalists and certainly anyone in this thread.

And yet they were wrong, the hypersonic bombs we're talking about were intercepted and destroyed.

[The Lone Alliance]

And yet they were wrong, the hypersonic bombs we're talking about were intercepted and destroyed.

They aren't talking about the hypersonics, they're talking about the Russian glide bombs that the Russian Airforce has been using against Ukrainian military positions because their fighter planes can't stand up against Ukrainian air defense.

Thing is even then they are not wonder weapons, part of the reason Russia lost so many SU-34s during the early part of 2024 is because they were using those planes to launch the glide bomb attacks in the lazy Russian version of close air support.

Still out of all of Russia's strategies in this war it's the only one hat actually had made proper tactical sense and wasn't mustache twirling evil. But that's because Russia is simply stealing the western ideas that NATO perfected in Iraq 1 and Yugoslavia. Precision Guided bombs against defensive positions are far better than spamming bombs at random.

Edit: Nevermind now Russia's trying to waste their Glide Bombs on Terror bombing Kharkiv civilians, I swear when forced to choose between a tactical attack and a terror attack Russians seem to love choosing terror.

[Port Carverton]

Half the processors made by Russian computer chipmaker Baikal Electronics are reportedly defective

I don't know how Putin thought he could go against the West when his country was far behind in technology. We have barely intervened in the conflict and they're massively struggling to win

[Dtn]

But that's because Russia is simply stealing the western ideas that NATO perfected in Iraq 1 and Yugoslavia.

The US launched a grand total of 71 very expensive glide bombs in “Iraq 1” and only 8 percent of munitions were guided.

The comparable US system is JDAM ER, which entered service in 2015. It should be obvious the main virtue of this type of thing is lack of sophistication.

[Bears Armed]

Half the processors made by Russian computer chipmaker Baikal Electronics are reportedly defective

I don't know how Putin thought he could go against the West when his country was far behind in technology. We have barely intervened in the conflict and they're massively struggling to win

Maybe none of his subordinates dared to tell him about the problems before they became manifestly obvious like this?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Half the processors made by Russian computer chipmaker Baikal Electronics are reportedly defective

I don't know how Putin thought he could go against the West when his country was far behind in technology. We have barely intervened in the conflict and they're massively struggling to win

Maybe none of his subordinates dared to tell him about the problems before they became manifestly obvious like this?

Putin probably should've opted to better specialize in data analysis rather than data manipulation when he worked with the FSB.

Since manipulating the truth will only get so far before the reality of the situation catches up to you.

[Turenia]

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

"We have no aggressive intentions towards these states," Putin said, according to a Kremlin transcript released on Thursday.
"The idea that we will attack some other country - Poland, the Baltic States, and the Czechs are also being scared - is complete nonsense. It's just drivel."

Funny joke mr vladp

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 024-03-27/
Meanwhile mr vladp's "air force" is "denazifying" and "demilitarising"... children as young as 3 months old with bombs... oh and also yet another fucking hospital.

[Free Stalliongrad]

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

Oh no, now I will no longer have those hundreds of newspaper headlines telling me how to prepare for a nuclear war with Russia! Those were the things that made my life a little more exciting.

[Hrstrovokia]

I’m preparing for WW3 by creating a beer stockpile.

I will not witness the end of the world sober.

[The Selkie]

I’m preparing for WW3 by creating a beer stockpile.

I will not witness the end of the world sober.

That is quite reasonable.

And hate to say it, but this one...

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

...or rather the version I read on ORF because Reuters can [BEEEEP] because they want me to turn off my adblock, is also reasonable - the part about the F-16s, I mean. The moment they are used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they are legitimate targets. If they are in the airspace or even on the air bases of a third country, that's a different matter, but in Ukrainian Airspace with Ukrainian markings, they are fair game.
Question being if the Russian Air Force can catch them.

[Port Carverton]

So the Russians shot down one of their own Su-35 in Sevastopol

[Turenia]

And hate to say it, but this one...

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

...or rather the version I read on ORF because Reuters can [BEEEEP] because they want me to turn off my adblock, is also reasonable - the part about the F-16s, I mean. The moment they are used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they are legitimate targets. If they are in the airspace or even on the air bases of a third country, that's a different matter, but in Ukrainian Airspace with Ukrainian markings, they are fair game.
Question being if the Russian Air Force can catch them.

Well yeah, I concur. It's a weird statement to make;

"well, we actually plan to shoot down the aircraft used by the country we've invaded"

Really, Putin? Who the fuck knew?

So the Russians shot down one of their own Su-35 in Sevastopol

There's some very decent footage of it falling like a stone and hitting the water.

[The Lone Alliance]

Putin says Russia will not attack NATO, but F-16s will be shot down in Ukraine

"We have no aggressive intentions towards these states," Putin said, according to a Kremlin transcript released on Thursday.
"The idea that we will attack some other country - Poland, the Baltic States, and the Czechs are also being scared - is complete nonsense. It's just drivel."

Funny joke mr vladp

Funny how he says he's not going to attack the Baltics or Finland where he also says he's just taking back "Historical Russian lands" which would include the Baltics and Finland.

Well yeah, I concur. It's a weird statement to make;

"well, we actually plan to shoot down the aircraft used by the country we've invaded"

Really, Putin? Who the fuck knew?

It's another veiled insult on Ukrainians, it's Putin saying "We don't believe the Ukrainians are smart enough to fly F-16s and we think evil NATO nazis are going to be flying them."

Just like how in Korea and Vietnam so many of the North Korean and North Vietnam pilots were Russians, Putin's just projecting.

[Big Eyed Animation]

Everything Putin does clearly shows his history with the KGB and with Russians history in the cold war.

He tries to brute force everything, much like the Soviet system has taught him to do. He views the entire conflict with a paranoia typical of the cold war. It was no surprise that he lamented the fall of the SU which de facto states he does not believe many post Soviet states should have gotten their freedom.

[Stellar Colonies]

Ukraine and India agree to restore ties to pre-war levels, discuss peace plan (Reuters)

NEW DELHI, March 29 (Reuters) - The foreign ministers of India and Ukraine said on Friday they had agreed to restore trade and cooperation to levels before Russia's invasion, as Kyiv seeks to build support for its peace plan with an old friend of Moscow.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba was in India on the first visit by a top official from Kyiv since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022, ahead of a possible international summit in the coming months to advance its blueprint for peace.

New Delhi has traditionally had close economic and defence ties with Moscow and refrained from criticising Russia over its war in Ukraine. It has urged the neighbours to resolve their conflict through dialogue and diplomacy while increasing purchases of cheap Russian oil to record levels.

"We paid specific attention to the peace formula and next steps on the path of its implementation," Kuleba posted on X after talks with his counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.

"We ... agreed to restore the level of cooperation between our countries that existed prior to the full-scale war launched by Russia, as well as identify new promising projects to take our relations to the next level," Kuleba said.

Jaishankar said that "our immediate goal is to get trade back to earlier levels".

Ukraine hopes to hold a summit, without Russian participation, to advance a peace formula that calls among other things for the withdrawal of Russian troops from its territory.

Russia has dismissed the initiative as a non-starter.

In newspaper interviews ahead of his talks, Kuleba said Ukraine was not against cooperation between India and Russia, but urged New Delhi to stand by Kyiv, saying India's close ties with Russia were based on a Soviet legacy that was evaporating.

"Our job is to convey a simple message to New Delhi," he told the Times of India. "When you decide to engage with Russia, please know the red line for Ukraine is financing Russia's war machine."

India had much to gain, he told the Financial Times, from expanding trade and technology ties with Ukraine, which was interested in importing heavy machinery.

Kuleba offered Indian companies a role in postwar reconstruction.

[Tarsonis]

Ukraine and India agree to restore ties to pre-war levels, discuss peace plan (Reuters)

NEW DELHI, March 29 (Reuters) - The foreign ministers of India and Ukraine said on Friday they had agreed to restore trade and cooperation to levels before Russia's invasion, as Kyiv seeks to build support for its peace plan with an old friend of Moscow.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba was in India on the first visit by a top official from Kyiv since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022, ahead of a possible international summit in the coming months to advance its blueprint for peace.

New Delhi has traditionally had close economic and defence ties with Moscow and refrained from criticising Russia over its war in Ukraine. It has urged the neighbours to resolve their conflict through dialogue and diplomacy while increasing purchases of cheap Russian oil to record levels.

"We paid specific attention to the peace formula and next steps on the path of its implementation," Kuleba posted on X after talks with his counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.

"We ... agreed to restore the level of cooperation between our countries that existed prior to the full-scale war launched by Russia, as well as identify new promising projects to take our relations to the next level," Kuleba said.

Jaishankar said that "our immediate goal is to get trade back to earlier levels".

Ukraine hopes to hold a summit, without Russian participation, to advance a peace formula that calls among other things for the withdrawal of Russian troops from its territory.

Russia has dismissed the initiative as a non-starter.

In newspaper interviews ahead of his talks, Kuleba said Ukraine was not against cooperation between India and Russia, but urged New Delhi to stand by Kyiv, saying India's close ties with Russia were based on a Soviet legacy that was evaporating.

"Our job is to convey a simple message to New Delhi," he told the Times of India. "When you decide to engage with Russia, please know the red line for Ukraine is financing Russia's war machine."

India had much to gain, he told the Financial Times, from expanding trade and technology ties with Ukraine, which was interested in importing heavy machinery.

Kuleba offered Indian companies a role in postwar reconstruction.

Common Russian L

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

War looms for Europe, warns Poland’s Donald Tusk

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk warned that Europe is in a “pre-war era” but still has a “long way to go” before it's ready to face the threat ahead.

“I don't want to scare anyone, but war is no longer a concept from the past,” Tusk said in an interview with several European media outlets. "It is real, in fact it already started more than two years ago."

Tusk said what’s most worrying right now is that “literally any scenario is possible," adding that Europe has not faced a situation like this since 1945.

“I know it sounds devastating, especially to people of the younger generation, but we have to mentally get used to the arrival of a new era,” he said. “The pre-war era. I don’t exaggerate. This is becoming more and more apparent every day."

Amid Russia’s ongoing full-scale invasion of Ukraine, which started in February 2022, Western allies and top military officials have become increasingly worried about a potential spillover of violence — despite Russian President Vladimir Putin repeatedly denying any intentions to attack NATO.

Last week, a Russian missile entered Polish airspace, prompting Warsaw to activate F-16 fighter jets, in what Tusk called a “troubling incident.”

But while tumult is on the horizon, Tusk warned that Europe is not ready to face the threat.

“We must be ready. Europe still has a long way to go,” he said. The first step is for countries to meet NATO’s target of spending 2 percent of their GDP on defense, he added.

"Today we have to spend as much as we can to buy equipment and ammunition for Ukraine, because we are living in the most critical moment since the end of the Second World War," he said. "The next two years will decide everything. If we cannot support Ukraine with enough equipment and ammunition, if Ukraine loses, no one in Europe will be able to feel safe."

At the same time, Tusk welcomed the attitude adjustment that has prompted some European leaders, including French President Emmanuel Macron, to ring the alarm bell more loudly.

“When I was prime minister for the first time [2007-2011], nobody except ... Baltic states paid any attention to my warnings that Russia could be a threat,” he said. “Now, without particular satisfaction, I observe the changes that are taking place in all capitals in Europe.”

With U.S. presidential elections coming up at the end of the year, European leaders have grown increasingly concerned over the likelihood of another Donald Trump presidency, fearful he would withdraw from NATO and obstruct further assistance to Kyiv. But to Tusk, Europe's role remains unchanged no matter who's next in the White House.

"Whether [U.S. President] Joe Biden or Donald Trump wins the next election, it is Europe that needs to do more when it comes to defense," Tusk said.

[Hrstrovokia]

Saw footage of Russians using some kind of Unmanned Ground Drone from Berdychii. Anyone else seen it and know what type of vehicle it is?

Edit: spelling wrong for Berdychi - it is not Bersichi.

[Hrstrovokia]

Sweden Considers Supplying Gripen Fighters Jets to Ukraine.

A possible real game changer. Gripen would suit Ukraine down to the ground, much better [imo] than F-16.

If you read the Kyiv Independent article that the original link mentions, it's a little less assured, as the Swedish Defence Minister said "Sweden does not exclude the possibility of supplying its Gripen fighter jets to Ukraine, Swedish Defense Minister Pal Jonson said in an interview with the Kyiv Independent in Stockholm on March 28, adding that the "deliberations are ongoing."

read that article here.

I wonder how many Gripens could be sent if they did get approved, would they be new builds or Gripens from exisiting inventory or even from units currently operating them?

[The Selkie]

Sweden Considers Supplying Gripen Fighters Jets to Ukraine.

A possible real game changer. Gripen would suit Ukraine down to the ground, much better [imo] than F-16.

If you read the Kyiv Independent article that the original link mentions, it's a little less assured, as the Swedish Defence Minister said "Sweden does not exclude the possibility of supplying its Gripen fighter jets to Ukraine, Swedish Defense Minister Pal Jonson said in an interview with the Kyiv Independent in Stockholm on March 28, adding that the "deliberations are ongoing."

read that article here.

I wonder how many Gripens could be sent if they did get approved, would they be new builds or Gripens from exisiting inventory or even from units currently operating them?

Isn't the Gripen still in production? Maybe the Swedes would then do the same then we did with our Leos: Give the old ones to the Ukraine, build new ones from scratch.

[Hrstrovokia]

Isn't the Gripen still in production? Maybe the Swedes would then do the same then we did with our Leos: Give the old ones to the Ukraine, build new ones from scratch.

It might be, I think the Gripen-E variant is in production, no idea how long it would take to produce numbers of them though. Sweden ordered a lot of Gripen-E back in 2016.

I think your on the money there, Sweden could give older models of Gripen to Ukraine. Apparently its got 74 JAS 39Cs which are single-seat and can be refuelled in air. I'm just guessing, since its the most numerous, that would be the one that would be replaced with Gripen-E.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Ukraine and India agree to restore ties to pre-war levels, discuss peace plan (Reuters)

NEW DELHI, March 29 (Reuters) - The foreign ministers of India and Ukraine said on Friday they had agreed to restore trade and cooperation to levels before Russia's invasion, as Kyiv seeks to build support for its peace plan with an old friend of Moscow.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba was in India on the first visit by a top official from Kyiv since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022, ahead of a possible international summit in the coming months to advance its blueprint for peace.

New Delhi has traditionally had close economic and defence ties with Moscow and refrained from criticising Russia over its war in Ukraine. It has urged the neighbours to resolve their conflict through dialogue and diplomacy while increasing purchases of cheap Russian oil to record levels.

"We paid specific attention to the peace formula and next steps on the path of its implementation," Kuleba posted on X after talks with his counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.

"We ... agreed to restore the level of cooperation between our countries that existed prior to the full-scale war launched by Russia, as well as identify new promising projects to take our relations to the next level," Kuleba said.

Jaishankar said that "our immediate goal is to get trade back to earlier levels".

Ukraine hopes to hold a summit, without Russian participation, to advance a peace formula that calls among other things for the withdrawal of Russian troops from its territory.

Russia has dismissed the initiative as a non-starter.

In newspaper interviews ahead of his talks, Kuleba said Ukraine was not against cooperation between India and Russia, but urged New Delhi to stand by Kyiv, saying India's close ties with Russia were based on a Soviet legacy that was evaporating.

"Our job is to convey a simple message to New Delhi," he told the Times of India. "When you decide to engage with Russia, please know the red line for Ukraine is financing Russia's war machine."

India had much to gain, he told the Financial Times, from expanding trade and technology ties with Ukraine, which was interested in importing heavy machinery.

Kuleba offered Indian companies a role in postwar reconstruction.

Common Russian L

Triple-L if India decides to use this an an excuse to divest itself of their BMP-2s and T-72M1s

Like, they had 2k T-72s, and only modified 1200 of them, so there's like 800 that can be full-send.

[Phoeniae]

in regards to nowadays, griphen or f-16 eccetera. discussion similar two years ago, always bitter when personal intuitions were right. difference is that debate with events happened less misty than before.

also most plausible attitude from countries was fairly accurate. so my wish is to give a further intuition for the moons to come. which is, if air and all due gear sentry stays in scheduled time, will be too late.

not late for the greater european war after, too late for ukraine. we have full spring at this moment, and I notice that if for the end of the year, in winter, the attrition stall has not changed, it will be wasteful.

as I said before, perhaps I was not clean enough, the matter of ‘preparation needed’ to confront putin loyalists invasion, is that useless to consume the hourglass since most countries do not prepare either way.

personally I disdain the “country partition” mind the most, as all people can see for korea more properly, until afghanistan, and obviously syria. the fragmentation is not an affordable outcome.

if at the end of the year, for winter, the counteroffensive has not been made, which means the air wings beyond all due necessary, and some sanction for god’s sake, ukraine will be so dire state to surrender.

it is annoying to begin to give hope and promises to your partner always in delays, repeadetly. thus in conclusion, we can not know if and when, still in case the air wings is sent after summer, it is too late.

I mean too late for the resistance to outstrip the devastation in ukraine. european classes and creeds have to decide more coherently, if they can renounce ‘putin model’ of order and wealth, so do it.

[The Selkie]

Common Russian L

Triple-L if India decides to use this an an excuse to divest itself of their BMP-2s and T-72M1s

Like, they had 2k T-72s, and only modified 1200 of them, so there's like 800 that can be full-send.

Triple-L? HT, if, and I'd like to stress, that it is an if about the size of Jupiter, if India decides to send a singular tank to the Ukraine, then this means, that Russia lost another major ally. India and China are keeping the Russian export economy rolling by buying whatever Russia sells at ridiculuous discounts and conditions, but they do. If India donates a singular tank to the Ukraine, Russia must ask itself, in how far they can keep that business up, not from an economic standpoint, but a political one.
If they donate all 800, presuming that they are still in working order or can be repaired reasonably easily... that'll be about twice as many as the French Army has Leclercs. It would at least double the Ukrainian Armoured Forces.