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by ImperialRussia » Mon May 29, 2023 5:58 pm
by El Lazaro » Mon May 29, 2023 6:02 pm
ImperialRussia wrote:The conflict in Ukraine is just a duck measuring contest which who is superior. Which side is is more obedient than the other Ukraine and Russia. Does the population who side with Russia in Ukraine labeled as terrorist. Do people at their free will label them selves Russian do people want control or we can just call these civilians terrorists who flee to Russia. Do people commit treason in Ukraine in support of Russia do they deserve human rights. Is do Ukrainian label them selves Russian should they be called terrorists or they real are the cannon fodder of war.
by The Pirateariat » Mon May 29, 2023 6:05 pm
ImperialRussia wrote:The conflict in Ukraine is just a duck measuring contest which who is superior. Which side is is more obedient than the other Ukraine and Russia. Does the population who side with Russia in Ukraine labeled as terrorist. Do people at their free will label them selves Russian do people want control or we can just call these civilians terrorists who flee to Russia. Do people commit treason in Ukraine in support of Russia do they deserve human rights. Is do Ukrainian label them selves Russian should they be called terrorists or they real are the cannon fodder of war.
by The Two Jerseys » Mon May 29, 2023 6:07 pm
El Lazaro wrote:The Two Jerseys wrote:I'm legitimately curious what "crime" he's accused of committing.
Apparently “Russophobia” under the Russian Criminal Code, possibly referring to Article 282, which prohibits inciting hatred against nationalities. As Graham is a public official and has a salary of at least $174k, he would face imprisonment for up to 5 years or $525k+ in fines. The problem with this is that Russia lacks jurisdiction over the alleged crime.
by El Lazaro » Mon May 29, 2023 6:08 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:The soviet ideology is an offshoot of Marxism and can demonstrably be used to basically just mean "I hate the west" which Marxist thought invites as a result of its precepts. Russia is still a marxist country. Marxist-Putinism. Much like Dengism and China's form of Marxism.
Is this a joke? What the hell is Putin doing that reflects Marxism?
by Andsed » Mon May 29, 2023 6:10 pm
Tarsonis wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-issues-arrest-warrant-lindsey-graham-ukraine-comments-rcna86655
Oh boy, it's super serial now
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 29, 2023 6:11 pm
by Primitive Communism » Mon May 29, 2023 6:13 pm
The Pirateariat wrote:ImperialRussia wrote:The conflict in Ukraine is just a duck measuring contest which who is superior. Which side is is more obedient than the other Ukraine and Russia. Does the population who side with Russia in Ukraine labeled as terrorist. Do people at their free will label them selves Russian do people want control or we can just call these civilians terrorists who flee to Russia. Do people commit treason in Ukraine in support of Russia do they deserve human rights. Is do Ukrainian label them selves Russian should they be called terrorists or they real are the cannon fodder of war.
I think I disagree, but I can't understand you well enough to know for sure.
The conflict in Ukraine is just a dick measuring contest to see who is superior. Which side is more obedient than the other, Ukraine or Russia? Are the people in Ukraine who side with Russia terrorists? Do they have free will or are they under the control of Russia? Do traitors to Ukraine who support Russia deserve human rights? Are Ukrainians who call themselves Russians terrorists or are they just cannon fodder for war?
by Oceasia » Mon May 29, 2023 6:14 pm
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by Tarsonis » Mon May 29, 2023 6:22 pm
by ImperialRussia » Mon May 29, 2023 6:24 pm
Primitive Communism wrote:The Pirateariat wrote:I think I disagree, but I can't understand you well enough to know for sure.
I will attempt a translation:The conflict in Ukraine is just a dick measuring contest to see who is superior. Which side is more obedient than the other, Ukraine or Russia? Are the people in Ukraine who side with Russia terrorists? Do they have free will or are they under the control of Russia? Do traitors to Ukraine who support Russia deserve human rights? Are Ukrainians who call themselves Russians terrorists or are they just cannon fodder for war?
I believe they are cynically asking whether or not the Ukrainians who consider themselves to be Russians, and thus support the Russian invasion, have any agency at all or are just puppets of Putin; whether their opinions or interests matter or not.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 29, 2023 6:28 pm
by Ors Might » Mon May 29, 2023 6:37 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:You take 80s action movies too seriously.
If those weren't defining attributes of marxism, why else would so many western marxist academics keep shilling for shitty, murderous, genocidal regimes? We see a bunch of internet nobodies constantly telling us "That's not real communism" but the communists with doctorates certainly seem to think it is. Imagine if we had the current dynamic of the left pointing out how fashy the right wing is and the right wing kept saying "Nah bro that's not real conservatism" while right wingers with a doctorate was goose stepping around the courtyard and plugging racial phrenology at every opportunity.
You'd be tempted to say "Maybe you just don't understand it as well as its most educated proponents do, nor its critics.".
Why does somebody like Chomsky keep defending genocides and Imperialism from non-western powers and basing his behavior on marxist analysis? How does he apply that marxist analysis to Ukraine and come up with "This is all the wests fault"?
I guess Chomsky just doesn't understand Marxism, but you bud, you understand it better.
by Picairn » Mon May 29, 2023 6:37 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The soviet ideology is an offshoot of Marxism and can demonstrably be used to basically just mean "I hate the west" which Marxist thought invites as a result of its precepts. Russia is still a marxist country. Marxist-Putinism. Much like Dengism and China's form of Marxism.
This is why Marxists like Chomsky agree with him more often than they agree with the west. Marxism demonstrably produces immoral societies which justify brutality in the belief that so long as they are murdering millions of people and engaged in widespread war crimes and sins in order to acquire power, it is justified as part of a "Revolution" against the western order. They have no morality beyond the pursuit of power and hatred of the west and desire to see it destroyed. It is only after this apocalyptic destruction of the west that they *might* then decide to have something resembling a conscience.
by Primitive Communism » Mon May 29, 2023 8:10 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:You take 80s action movies too seriously.
If those weren't defining attributes of marxism, why else would so many western marxist academics keep shilling for shitty, murderous, genocidal regimes? We see a bunch of internet nobodies constantly telling us "That's not real communism" but the communists with doctorates certainly seem to think it is. Imagine if we had the current dynamic of the left pointing out how fashy the right wing is and the right wing kept saying "Nah bro that's not real conservatism" while right wingers with a doctorate was goose stepping around the courtyard and plugging racial phrenology at every opportunity.
You'd be tempted to say "Maybe you just don't understand it as well as its most educated proponents do, nor its critics.".
Why does somebody like Chomsky keep defending genocides and Imperialism from non-western powers and basing his behavior on marxist analysis? How does he apply that marxist analysis to Ukraine and come up with "This is all the wests fault"?
I guess Chomsky just doesn't understand Marxism, but you bud, you understand it better.
by Bahrimontagn » Mon May 29, 2023 8:31 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The soviet ideology is an offshoot of Marxism and can demonstrably be used to basically just mean "I hate the west" which Marxist thought invites as a result of its precepts. Russia is still a marxist country. Marxist-Putinism. Much like Dengism and China's form of Marxism.
This is why Marxists like Chomsky agree with him more often than they agree with the west. Marxism demonstrably produces immoral societies which justify brutality in the belief that so long as they are murdering millions of people and engaged in widespread war crimes and sins in order to acquire power, it is justified as part of a "Revolution" against the western order. They have no morality beyond the pursuit of power and hatred of the west and desire to see it destroyed. It is only after this apocalyptic destruction of the west that they *might* then decide to have something resembling a conscience.
I invite you to at least consider this viewpoint and address it rather than dismissing it out of hand, especially given that "The pursuit of power under the pretext of defeating the enemy is the only value we care about" was noted about Marxists by Orwell too. Additionally, the Tankie predeliction to "American Diabolism" is on much firmer ground than the above suggestion, especially given that these infiltrations of our academic institutions have gone on for decades and decades, so even with the collapse of the soviet union their outposts in western institutions remain.
When the soviets collapsed, we shouldn't have declared victory. We should have declared a new red scare to destroy the remnants. The number of problems the west faces as a result of 'insufficient persecution of communists' is not zero, much like some believe. The UCU openly doing this shit is one example.
How precisely are we supposed to take any of their geopolitical academic work seriously from now on?
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 29, 2023 8:33 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:You take 80s action movies too seriously.
If those weren't defining attributes of marxism, why else would so many western marxist academics keep shilling for shitty, murderous, genocidal regimes? We see a bunch of internet nobodies constantly telling us "That's not real communism" but the communists with doctorates certainly seem to think it is. Imagine if we had the current dynamic of the left pointing out how fashy the right wing is and the right wing kept saying "Nah bro that's not real conservatism" while right wingers with a doctorate was goose stepping around the courtyard and plugging racial phrenology at every opportunity.
by Querria » Mon May 29, 2023 10:03 pm
Oceasia wrote:Russia has lost more than 2000 tanks in their invasion of Ukraine
This includes over half of their pre-existing active tank fleet.
by Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon May 29, 2023 11:34 pm
There have been reports this morning of explosions in and around Moscow.
The city’s mayor Sergei Sobyanin said that drone attacks had caused minor damage to several buildings.
But, he adds that there had been no serious injuries.
At 06:24 local time this morning I myself heard a blast in the distance, and the windows of my home shook.
Half an hour later I heard another explosion.
Judging by the conversations on social media, a lot of people in the Moscow area heard them too.
Suddenly the war in Ukraine feels much closer to home.
by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue May 30, 2023 2:07 am
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:-snip-
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 30, 2023 2:10 am
by Picairn » Tue May 30, 2023 2:28 am
But behind closed doors, Ukraine’s leader has proposed going in a more audacious direction — occupying Russian villages to gain leverage over Moscow, bombing a pipeline that transfers Russian oil to Hungary, a NATO member, and privately pining for long-range missiles to hit targets inside Russia’s borders, according to classified U.S. intelligence documents detailing his internal communications with top aides and military leaders.
[...] In a meeting in late January, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “conduct strikes in Russia” while moving Ukrainian ground troops into enemy territory to “occupy unspecified Russian border cities,” according to one document labeled “top secret.” The goal would be “to give Kyiv leverage in talks with Moscow,” the document said.
In a separate meeting in late February with Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top military commander, Zelensky “expressed concern” that “Ukraine does not have long-range missiles capable of reaching Russian troop deployments in Russia nor anything with which to attack them.” Zelensky then “suggested that Ukraine attack unspecified deployment locations in Rostov,” a region in western Russia, using drones instead, according to another classified document.
In a meeting in mid-February with Deputy Prime Minister Yuliya Svrydenko, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “blow up” the Soviet-built Druzhba pipeline that provides oil to Hungary. “Zelenskyy highlighted that … Ukraine should just blow up the pipeline and destroy likely Hungarian [Prime Minister] Viktor Orban’s industry, which is based heavily on Russian oil,” the document says.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 30, 2023 3:43 am
In a meeting in mid-February with Deputy Prime Minister Yuliya Svrydenko, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “blow up” the Soviet-built Druzhba pipeline that provides oil to Hungary. “Zelenskyy highlighted that … Ukraine should just blow up the pipeline and destroy likely Hungarian [Prime Minister] Viktor Orban’s industry, which is based heavily on Russian oil,” the document says.
by The Selkie » Tue May 30, 2023 4:01 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:In a meeting in mid-February with Deputy Prime Minister Yuliya Svrydenko, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “blow up” the Soviet-built Druzhba pipeline that provides oil to Hungary. “Zelenskyy highlighted that … Ukraine should just blow up the pipeline and destroy likely Hungarian [Prime Minister] Viktor Orban’s industry, which is based heavily on Russian oil,” the document says.
One would think that Herr Orban would be more... amenable towards Ukraine and the Ukrainian situation considering that Kyiv literally has its hands wrapped around Hungary's economic neck.
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by El Lazaro » Tue May 30, 2023 5:41 am
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