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South Northville
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Founded: May 13, 2023
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Postby South Northville » Sat May 20, 2023 11:32 am

San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.
One argument that was made in favor was it makes government more accessible yet anyone can call and write to their representatives. Most committee meetings and legislative sessions can be viewed online in some countries and committee meetings can be called into so is this really needed?

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?


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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 20, 2023 12:55 pm

This path ends with a ruling junta comprised of discord moderators.
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Democratic Poopland
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Democratic Poopland » Sat May 20, 2023 12:56 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:This path ends with a ruling junta comprised of discord moderators.

Nevermind, Tuvalu messed up.
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Neutraligon
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 20, 2023 1:06 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:A lot of what happens in government has everything to do with people meeting face to face to discuss stuff, not what is happening on the senate/House floor. What is happening on the floor tends to be a lot of political theater.


Shouldn’t the public know what happens at these meetings?

Anyway, this is - broadly speaking - an excellent idea.

Yes and no. These meetings allow things to be hashed out, and people need a place to deliberate without worrying about what the public sees (also there is confidential stuff spoken about in these meetings). That being said, it is also important for the public to see these deliberations. I think that we would see a bit of a decline in the polarization if we saw these deliberations
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Juansonia » Sat May 20, 2023 1:25 pm

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Hispida wrote:isn't the maldives trying this out now that their country is sinking into the ocean?
that's tuvalu
Did Alger break character?
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Founded: May 12, 2023
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Postby Cyber Duotona » Sat May 20, 2023 1:34 pm

South Northville wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.
One argument that was made in favor was it makes government more accessible yet anyone can call and write to their representatives. Most committee meetings and legislative sessions can be viewed online in some countries and committee meetings can be called into so is this really needed?

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?


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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Haganham » Sat May 20, 2023 1:35 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I think that we would see a bit of a decline in the polarization if we saw these deliberations

We would. everyone would suddenly be furious at congress.

Though, if those deliberations were public, they would pretty quickly become theater as well. So I guess not.
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El Lazaro
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Sat May 20, 2023 1:39 pm

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:
Hispida wrote:isn't the maldives trying this out now that their country is sinking into the ocean?

that's tuvalu

No, Tuvalu was reabsorbed by the USSR in 1944 and dissolved in 1961. You must be thinking of Vanuatu.

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Floofybit
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Sat May 20, 2023 2:35 pm

Juansonia wrote:
Eternal Algerstonia wrote:that's tuvalu
Did Alger break character?

He forgot to mention that America is an online government, controlled by the liberal moderators infecting feeble minds on Twitter
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Vivida Vis Animi
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Vivida Vis Animi » Sat May 20, 2023 4:12 pm

As mentioned before there are a lot of concerns about hacking, but I think we should handle everything through the hack-proof method* of faxing! Bring back that 80s aesthetic.

Mostly, at least from what I've read.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 20, 2023 4:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.
One argument that was made in favor was it makes government more accessible yet anyone can call and write to their representatives. Most committee meetings and legislative sessions can be viewed online in some countries and committee meetings can be called into so is this really needed?

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?

Having actually conducted zoom meetings this is absolutely terrible just do to the fact that it’s hard to hear people, talking over others is extremely often, connection is spotty at best, and a whole host of other issues
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The Aituia
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Postby The Aituia » Sat May 20, 2023 8:27 pm

I think Estonia is doing that
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Hispida
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Anarchy

Postby Hispida » Sat May 20, 2023 8:30 pm

South Northville wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.
One argument that was made in favor was it makes government more accessible yet anyone can call and write to their representatives. Most committee meetings and legislative sessions can be viewed online in some countries and committee meetings can be called into so is this really needed?

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?


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Haganham
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Haganham » Sat May 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.
One argument that was made in favor was it makes government more accessible yet anyone can call and write to their representatives. Most committee meetings and legislative sessions can be viewed online in some countries and committee meetings can be called into so is this really needed?

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?

Having actually conducted zoom meetings this is absolutely terrible just do to the fact that it’s hard to hear people, talking over others is extremely often, connection is spotty at best, and a whole host of other issues

Holy shit I just though of how crap court hearings are over zoom. Can you imagine how bad congressional hears would be with the speaker constantly muting anyone who says something they don't want on record?
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La Xinga
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby La Xinga » Sat May 20, 2023 9:12 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom and the buildings that used to be their offices and that of government officials are no longer used as they are all mostly remote.

I’m not sure what I think of this idea. It could technically work but is this something we really want?

Your thoughts?

Conducting government meetings via Zoom is a great idea with no chance of meetings getting hacked !

I think it was the Italian Senate which had an online meeting get hacked and shown, uh, not the greatest stuff.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Sat May 20, 2023 9:41 pm

Hispida wrote:isn't the maldives trying this out now that their country is sinking into the ocean?

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El Lazaro
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Sat May 20, 2023 9:46 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Hispida wrote:isn't the maldives trying this out now that their country is sinking into the ocean?

New climate solution: evacuate the population to the metaverse and use the rising seawater to cool all the servers

If you are underwater, having a Metaverse avatar is not going to improve your chances of survival. It’s like the opposite of the dumb “if you die in-game, you die irl” trope.

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Inner Albania
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Founded: Jul 21, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Inner Albania » Sun May 21, 2023 1:15 am

Yeah, no.

A virtual/online government looks like a very bad idea, since the government in this instance can be susceptible to trolling attacks.
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Postby Risottia » Sun May 21, 2023 2:02 am

San Lumen wrote:This is an idea that was proposed and briefly discussed in the American politics thread and I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

The idea is simple. The government no longer conducts business in person. All committee meetings and legislative sessions are now via zoom ...
Your thoughts?


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Seriously, have you folks lived in a cave in the last twenty years? You really don't see the tiny weeny issues in not being able to identify people or checking whether they're free of coercion, and relying on entirely digital methods of identification? In a world with real-time AI chatbots and face replacement software? And you want to trust the working of democracy to that?
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Vrbo
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Vrbo » Sun May 21, 2023 2:45 am

I've seen way too many zoom chats with government officials and judiciary members being bombed with inappropriate content to have confidence in the system. The Italian Senate meeting and the Young Thug trial bombings come to mind.
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun May 21, 2023 3:25 am

Alexa, vote against this for me. What do you mean you are unable to do that...
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Free Papua Republic » Sun May 21, 2023 3:28 am

isnt this like already a thing

(On the other hand, certain types of meetings *are* far more effective conducted in person, like I'd say 100-fold returns type of effectiveness. I guess we'll just see a technical government where people increasingly do whatever they want
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El Lazaro
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Sun May 21, 2023 6:49 am

Free Papua Republic wrote:isnt this like already a thing

(On the other hand, certain types of meetings *are* far more effective conducted in person, like I'd say 100-fold returns type of effectiveness. I guess we'll just see a technical government where people increasingly do whatever they want

C-SPAN does this on the normal people’s side, but politicians still meet in person because there’s no reason not to.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 21, 2023 8:43 pm

The Aituia wrote:I think Estonia is doing that


Can you provide a source of this?

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The Great Nevada Overlord
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Postby The Great Nevada Overlord » Sun May 21, 2023 10:17 pm

That would be horrible.
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