Calls for violence against LGBTQ people intensify

[Galactic Powers]

Gays should be prepared to defend themselves, but not because they’re gay…everyone should be able to defend themselves. If that means buying a gun for you, do it. If that means learning how to fight, sure. Stand your ground applies to everyone, including gays.

[Juansonia]

How else are we to defend ourselves from the force of Republicans then? Are we supposed to just take it and make pleas for help as more and more people become either indifferent or opposed to the idea of the LGBTQ community? Or should we rise against them and show them that we aren't all just bark?

What has you thinking that an insurgency will work? I want to know.

If it reaches the point where the state or/and hate mobs already are seeking to kill the LGBTQ+ just for existing, it would be better to die fighting than to roll over.

Besides, insurgents have defeated the United States in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Insurgents made things tough for the Nazis until the Allies and COMINTERN retook the land.

[Poliski]

If the LGBTQ is careful their gonna be ended by a simple sexually transmitted virus which will incurable in the future.

-_- LGBTQ people don't just go around F*cking each other.

[Nilokeras]

Wow I thought all the woke rhetoric was going to win friends and influence people. Is it because not enough people were pissed on? Maybe tell more people you don't care about their cis opinion- that'll teach them to respect others. Who can we get fired for not understanding something we've asserted it isn't out job to explain? That guy's getting an ally pin right after he packs up his desk. Perhaps we should conflate "I disagree with you about at least one point of a scientific political or medical issue" with being a phobe or an ist- there's no surer way to distance people from a group or ideology than to tell them they're already members of a group or ideology. Are there any speakers we disagree with who we can deplatform and silence? After all ideas pushed out of the light of reason and into the festering darkness to be passed around echo chambers just go away and nobody harbors any resentment.

I've spent over a decade saying this exact fucking thing was going to happen. This is the backlash everybody was so goddamn sure was NEVER going to happen. The reason you have "anti-woke nonsense" is because a fundamentally toxic identitarian ideology has been highlighting our differences for years and has so worn on people that any politician willing to offer the crowd heads on pikes is celebrated as a hero.

None of that is a justification, it's fucking horrible. It's clear that the right wing started this fire but for fucks sake why did the left cover everything with gas?

'None of that is a justification, it's fucking horrible'

> precedes this statement with two paragraphs of attempts at justifying violence that predated 'wokeness' and continued merrily along through 'wokeness' by blaming 'the left'

[Poliski]

What has you thinking that an insurgency will work? I want to know.

If it reaches the point where the state or/and hate mobs already are seeking to kill the LGBTQ+ just for existing, it would be better to die fighting than to roll over.

Besides, insurgents have defeated the United States in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Insurgents made things tough for the Nazis until the Allies and COMINTERN retook the land.

I doubt it will ever get to that point. The number of people voting against republicans is increasing as younger generations begin to vote.

[Juansonia]

Gays should be prepared to defend themselves, but not because they’re gay…everyone should be able to defend themselves. If that means buying a gun for you, do it. If that means learning how to fight, sure. Stand your ground applies to everyone, including gays.

I agree, but pushing the "an armed minority is harder to opress" angle is a better way to convince neolibs to arm themselves.

[Torisakia]

im ashamed to be republican

I am non-party. Much less bullshit in the mail and spam filters…..

I'm a fellow non-party enthusiast but the bullshit still finds its way to me. That's the last time I ever give my credit card and social security number to the ALCU rep on the campus quad.

I'm now thinking of a second civil war. LGBTQ+ and allies vs Republicians and allies. 2023/4? So, maybe pack your bags and run. Or not, depending on if this goes on and worsens... Who knows.

There will not be a second civil war over lgbt people.

Just like how there wasn't going to be a war over states and their slaves? Or how there wasn't going to be an attack by bin Laden? Or how a case of the 'flu' wasn't going to throw the world into chaos?

[Des-Bal]

None of that is a justification,

Really? Sure reads an awful lot like one, although I guess you intend it more as a sort of schadenfreude-laced wallowing in your own righteousness than as an actual justification for the hatred.

I've spent over a decade saying this exact fucking thing was going to happen.

You’ve spent over a decade flying into incoherent reactionary rages and then retroactively glorifying them as some kind of sober prescience whenever vaguely reactionary things come to pass in the world— not really the sort of predictive powers that warrant the adulation and medals you seem to so resent not receiving.

This is the backlash everybody was so goddamn sure was NEVER going to happen.

Oh, “everybody” was “sure”? Well, that must’ve been such a tough period for a persecuted truth-teller like you. Good thing fascism’s on the rise so that you can finally feel vindicated against the leftists who were mean to you on the internet years ago, right?

Good point, patterns and causation don't exist people are mean for incomprehensible reasons and shit just happens without warning. I mean one could argue the well documented rising resentment alarmist rhetoric and glorification of hostility have been a slow motion train wreck but that might involve an audit of what is working what isn't and you know effort. I sure would like a world where people were safe and people were cool to each other but if everything's going to hell I'm going to drink your tears the whole way down.

[Poliski]

Stand your ground applies to everyone, including gays.

One problem with that, it doesn't. The NRA has been shown to only support straight white people when this law is used in court. On multiple occasions, they have said nothing when African Americans use the law and following the trend, I doubt they would enforce the law with LGBTQ people.

[American Legionaries]

Do you think they can only do violence if their targets are armed?

They are much more inclined if the LGBTQ community starts to arm themselves as they will take it as a hostile action against them. Their politicians will likely spread the idea that the LGBTQ community is arming themselves to attack conservatives.

Attacking someone who can shoot back seems like something people would find less appealing than attacking someone who cannot shoot back...

[American Legionaries]

Stand your ground applies to everyone, including gays.

One problem with that, it doesn't. The NRA has been shown to only support straight white people when this law is used in court. On multiple occasions, they have said nothing when African Americans use the law and following the trend, I doubt they would enforce the law with LGBTQ people.

The National Rifle Association doesn't enforce laws...

[Democratic Poopland]

In March 2022, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education bill, dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill by detractors.

The bill banned classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade. Last month, the Florida Board of Education expanded those restrictions to include all grades. In March, Tennessee became the first state to restrict public drag performances.

Excuse me, WHAT?

I agree. WHAT?

HB 9 and SB 3, signed by Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, make "a person who engages in an adult cabaret performance on public property" -- or where it can be viewed by minors -- a criminal offense.

It is unlikely that vulgarity is so necessary for minors.

I agree, again.

At least 14 states have passed laws or policies that restrict gender-affirming care for people under the age of legal majority, which is the threshold for legal adulthood.

That's a big enough decision to be left to a stupid childish brain, isn't it?

I actually think that is horrible legislation.

[Floofybit]

I'll still morally align with many Republican views, but maybe it's a good time for me to start sliding away from the radical binary.

[Poliski]

They are much more inclined if the LGBTQ community starts to arm themselves as they will take it as a hostile action against them. Their politicians will likely spread the idea that the LGBTQ community is arming themselves to attack conservatives.

Attacking someone who can shoot back seems like something people would find less appealing than attacking someone who cannot shoot back...

Depends on who draws first and the LGBTQ community aren't the ones who are shooting first.

[Black Raven Movement]

What has you thinking that an insurgency will work? I want to know.

If it reaches the point where the state or/and hate mobs already are seeking to kill the LGBTQ+ just for existing, it would be better to die fighting than to roll over.

Besides, insurgents have defeated the United States in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Insurgents made things tough for the Nazis until the Allies and COMINTERN retook the land.

Shit took 20 years and being out of home territory along with fatigue for us to lose. This will happen on home soil, and while I understand the intention behind it, there's little shot it'll work out in the end without some people going overboard and starting a by-the-books genocide. It just isn't feasible.

[United Valik]

I'll still morally align with many Republican views, but maybe it's a good time for me to start sliding away from the radical binary.

Gee, you think? I was going to avoid this thread because of a grudge against the OP, but the subject matter hits way too close to home.

[The Black Forrest]

I am non-party. Much less bullshit in the mail and spam filters…..

I'm a fellow non-party enthusiast but the bullshit still finds its way to me. That's the last time I ever give my credit card and social security number to the ALCU rep on the campus quad.

The rep wanted your social? That’s odd. I wouldn’t have given that.

The ACLU is extremely aggressive on fund raising. I don’t give anymore as it turned into a weekly call and hard pressing for money.

[Senkaku]

but if everything's going to hell I'm going to drink your tears the whole way down.

Lol. Glad we’re on the same page about where you’ve always stood, honesty with oneself leaves you with at least one admirable trait.

[Saiwana]

It's just more nonsense from Joe Biden, who wants people to believe that anyone opposed to him is effectively a MAGA extremist or White Supremacist. Who would've thought that he's more rage worthy as POTUS than Obama ever was?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

It's just more nonsense from Joe Biden, who wants people to believe that anyone opposed to him is effectively a MAGA extremist or White Supremacist. Who would've thought that he's more rage worthy as POTUS than Obama ever was?

Says the literal Nazi.

[Torisakia]

I'm a fellow non-party enthusiast but the bullshit still finds its way to me. That's the last time I ever give my credit card and social security number to the ALCU rep on the campus quad.

The rep wanted your social? That’s odd. I wouldn’t have given that.

The ACLU is extremely aggressive on fund raising. I don’t give anymore as it turned into a weekly call and hard pressing for money.

I was being facetious. There would be groups of people on campus like every week claiming to be "representatives" of ambiguous political action committees wanting our emails and phone numbers for "future correspondence". I think it was just a big telemarketing ploy.

[Des-Bal]

'None of that is a justification, it's fucking horrible'

> precedes this statement with two paragraphs of attempts at justifying violence that predated 'wokeness' and continued merrily along through 'wokeness' by blaming 'the left'

Your total inability to differentiate understanding the opposition and justifying the opposition is kind of the problem. If you don't understand why someone is being an asshole you can't stop them. These aren't alien invaders they are running the same OS you are and the rights ability to mobilize them is totally dependent on the Left's failure to do it better.

[The Black Forrest]

The rep wanted your social? That’s odd. I wouldn’t have given that.

The ACLU is extremely aggressive on fund raising. I don’t give anymore as it turned into a weekly call and hard pressing for money.

I was being facetious. There would be groups of people on campus like every week claiming to be "representatives" of ambiguous political action committees wanting our emails and phone numbers for "future correspondence". I think it was just a big telemarketing ploy.

Ohhhhh hah.

I remember the ACLU on campus and they were always ready to take donations. Probably even more so now we can do smartphone transactions.

ACLU does sell it’s info. My wife as donated for one thing I forget and she started getting things from other groups.

[Senkaku]

Anyone who is LGBTQ+ needs to buy a rifle, shotgun, or pistol-cartridge carbine. Not only will it provide the means for self-defense, it will also serve as a deterrent against hate crimes and oppression. If worst comes to worst, insurgency may be necessary, so stock up.

“Insurgency”? What, we’re going to have a Queer Liberation Army planting glitter-laced IEDs along the interstates? If you want a weapon for self-defense that’s one thing, but dangerous delusions of grandeur like this are usually a sign that you’re not ready to be a responsible firearm owner. If they really do start these pogroms they’re fantasizing about, a few snipers in drag isn’t going to be what saves us.

[Floofybit]

It's just more nonsense from Joe Biden, who wants people to believe that anyone opposed to him is effectively a MAGA extremist or White Supremacist. Who would've thought that he's more rage worthy as POTUS than Obama ever was?

It is definitely not a political stunt. It's not at all a reason to swing left and I doubt I ever will, but it's also something that cannot be ignored. People are dying because of it. I don't care who started it, it should be stopped. I don't like Joe Biden either, but this is still a problem.