Calls for violence against LGBTQ people intensify

[Dimetrodon Empire]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

[Cook-Out]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

Yeah, I think both sides tend to exaggerate trends, it's what gets the people to vote for them. It's important not to fall into the trap of blindly following either side and to think for yourself. It's tragic that many of the posters on this site are so far-right or so far-left.

[Hispida]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

i mean, why not? puberty blockers are entirely reversible, and sometimes medically necessary. it's not SRS or HRT (even though the latter isn't inherently a trans treatment, either: hormonal therapy is also used in hypogonadism treatments, intersex "treatment", for growth hormone disorders, type 1 diabetes treatment via insulin, and its main use outside of treating menopause and trans affirmation care is in oncology, i.e. treating cancer).

also, y'know, fuck's the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

[Major-Tom]

Never understood straight dudes who are anti LGBT. Wouldn't you want less competition in the dating pool?

Well, the L part means more competition...

I knew somebody would call me out on that.

[Hispida]

SIncerely convinced queer people in general but especially trans people are the target for an impending genocide in the U.S., many people have commented before on how the rhetoric used against trans people by Republicans mirrors the preceding stages of a genocide.

"impending"?

[Bovad]

I think that violence against anyone, including the LGBTQ+ community, is awful. However I fail to see the relevance of the "don't say gay" bill as all it does is stop schools from talking about sex stuff to young children.

Cool, guess it's time to ban the concept of parents, like every disney movie ever that contains any romance, which is most of them, and couples holding hands in the vicinity of children, just off the top of my head.

[Hispida]

I think that violence against anyone, including the LGBTQ+ community, is awful. However I fail to see the relevance of the "don't say gay" bill as all it does is stop schools from talking about sex stuff to young children.

Cool, guess it's time to ban the concept of parents

ⓘ Karl Marx liked that.

[Necroghastia]

I think that violence against anyone, including the LGBTQ+ community, is awful. However I fail to see the relevance of the "don't say gay" bill as all it does is stop schools from talking about sex stuff to young children.

You are either lying or grossly misinformed. It prevents any acknowledgement at all of LGBTQ people. A fifth-grade teacher is currently under investigation for showing a children's movie with a gay character.

Also, I believe that "gender-affirming care" in the form of hormone blockers and transition surgery should not be allowed for children under 18. Transitioning is a big life decision, and there is a reason so many other activities are restricted to adulthood.

What's so bad about blockers?

[Socialism uwu]

I think that violence against anyone, including the LGBTQ+ community, is awful. However I fail to see the relevance of the "don't say gay" bill as all it does is stop schools from talking about sex stuff to young children.

Cool, guess it's time to ban the concept of parents, like every disney movie ever that contains any romance, which is most of them, and couples holding hands in the vicinity of children, just off the top of my head.

Bruh.

[Senkaku]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

It’s genuinely amazing how many people who haven’t even taken the fucking MCAT, much less gone to med school and actually completed a residency in the relevant field, think they’re qualified to expound on the need for political proscriptions and access restrictions for whole classes of medications and patients— whether it’s puberty blockers, mifepristone, PrEP, various classes of painkillers, even fucking antibiotics. Are you a fucking endocrinologist? Can you tell a scalpel from a saline bag? Why the fuck should anyone give a rat’s ass who you think puberty blockers should or shouldn’t be prescribed to? The only doctors who align with this bullshit are ideologically brain-poisoned hacks getting paid off by right-wing think-tanks, and they’d be easy to dispense with on their own, but then we have to deal with swarms of credulous civilians like you stumbling around thinking they’re entitled to have their own equally valid medical opinions about everything.

[Royal Frankia]

The shooting in the nightclub was committed by someone who claimed to be a militant of ISIS... So yeah, not in the same ball park in regards to comparing Evangelicals and fanatical Wahabbists. Even the Taliban hates ISIS.

Murder, as well as crimes in general against individuals or their property, must be punished. Some people can't be rehabilitated, and the legal system itself is a joke. If you think killing someone to advance your political cause or burning a store or church will advance your political dream, then you should never get out of prison, imo.

[Royal Frankia]

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Yeah, I think both sides tend to exaggerate trends, it's what gets the people to vote for them. It's important not to fall into the trap of blindly following either side and to think for yourself. It's tragic that many of the posters on this site are so far-right or so far-left.

The two party system in the States sucks, and just leads to both extremes butting heads. Some moderates are pushed towards adopting extreme positions, especially with the waning of religious observance and the rabid political dogmatism seen today. You can see this with the far-left adopting policies they ridiculed Bush over 20 years ago.

[El Lazaro]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

It’s genuinely amazing how many people who haven’t even taken the fucking MCAT, much less gone to med school and actually completed a residency in the relevant field, think they’re qualified to expound on the need for political proscriptions and access restrictions for whole classes of medications and patients— whether it’s puberty blockers, mifepristone, PrEP, various classes of painkillers, even fucking antibiotics. Are you a fucking endocrinologist? Can you tell a scalpel from a saline bag? Why the fuck should anyone give a rat’s ass who you think puberty blockers should or shouldn’t be prescribed to?

Although I am a progressive, I may have to take the traditionalist position on this and advocate for banning all antibiotics. There are a lot of bacteria, and this stuff is getting over complicated, so I really think they should just get rid of all of it so I don’t have to worry about those “superbugs” and “preventable deaths” etc. Big Pharma and no one else is making a big deal out of. Better to die now than succumb to our own unnecessary failures later.

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How else are we to defend ourselves from the force of Republicans then? Are we supposed to just take it and make pleas for help as more and more people become either indifferent or opposed to the idea of the LGBTQ community? Or should we rise against them and show them that we aren't all just bark?

Escalation will just lead to more violence and asking the government hasn't been working. I don't have a solution, but I know that weaponization will just lead to even more violence on both sides.

Said a couple million Jews in 1930's Germany.

[Galloism]

This is probably the only time I take the right-wing position on this.

I don't think puberty blockers should be given to children. Though I think that the amount of children who receive them is a small group, not this huge trend the right pretends it is.

i mean, why not? puberty blockers are entirely reversible, and sometimes medically necessary. it's not SRS or HRT (even though the latter isn't inherently a trans treatment, either: hormonal therapy is also used in hypogonadism treatments, intersex "treatment", for growth hormone disorders, type 1 diabetes treatment via insulin, and its main use outside of treating menopause and trans affirmation care is in oncology, i.e. treating cancer).

also, y'know, fuck's the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Incidentally, this post is probably medical misnformation.

Puberty blockers have been observed to have long term likely irreversible effects on children and teens, including bone density loss comparable to osteoporosis, that does not reverse when the blockers are stopped.

[Senkaku]

It’s genuinely amazing how many people who haven’t even taken the fucking MCAT, much less gone to med school and actually completed a residency in the relevant field, think they’re qualified to expound on the need for political proscriptions and access restrictions for whole classes of medications and patients— whether it’s puberty blockers, mifepristone, PrEP, various classes of painkillers, even fucking antibiotics. Are you a fucking endocrinologist? Can you tell a scalpel from a saline bag? Why the fuck should anyone give a rat’s ass who you think puberty blockers should or shouldn’t be prescribed to?

Although I am a progressive, I may have to take the traditionalist position on this and advocate for banning all antibiotics. There are a lot of bacteria, and this stuff is getting over complicated, so I really think they should just get rid of all of it so I don’t have to worry about those “superbugs” and “preventable deaths” etc. Big Pharma and no one else is making a big deal out of. Better to die now than succumb to our own unnecessary failures later.

I actually can’t tell if you’re joking or not; there are people out there who seriously believe shit like this— not just that we shouldn’t be putting cephalosporins in cattle feed or whatever, but that we should be letting our bodies heal from strep throat and plague the natural way.

i mean, why not? puberty blockers are entirely reversible, and sometimes medically necessary. it's not SRS or HRT (even though the latter isn't inherently a trans treatment, either: hormonal therapy is also used in hypogonadism treatments, intersex "treatment", for growth hormone disorders, type 1 diabetes treatment via insulin, and its main use outside of treating menopause and trans affirmation care is in oncology, i.e. treating cancer).

also, y'know, fuck's the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Incidentally, this post is probably medical misnformation.

Puberty blockers have been observed to have long term likely irreversible effects on children and teens, including bone density loss comparable to osteoporosis, that does not reverse when the blockers are stopped.

On the other hand, they might get osteoporosis or whatever from eating our shitty food and breathing our shitty air anyways, and it’s better than having them slit their own throats because of gender dysphoria, so I still see no reason to trust some fucking accountant with a pocket full of fearmongering NYT articles over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide. If you’re too credulous to have noticed or too motivated to care about NYT’s extensive anti-trans campaign over the past several years, I see no reason to believe that you’re intellectually capable of taking down the boys and girls at the Mayo Clinic.

[Adamede]

What kind of "violence" is being perpetrated?

As far as I know, it either seems to be tied into general violence or as similar as before.....

Lot of hate crimes, assaults, threats, etc etc.

[Eleanor Turner]

Promote open, honest, and public rhetoric. Focus on shared values and elevate civil well-reasoned voices. Avoid selling frustration. Building a healthy public dialogue takes time and sustained efforts.

[Saiwana]

..over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide.

Those medical professionals are merely siding with this pro-HRT stuff, simply because it is what is more profitable. They have a clinic or student debt to pay off, and they obviously want lucrative kickbacks from big pharma companies. They have a vested interest in prescribing whatever they can, so their motives have to be suspect. The idea that any Doctors in today's era live and breathe the Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm" is usually pure naivety.

[Galloism]

Although I am a progressive, I may have to take the traditionalist position on this and advocate for banning all antibiotics. There are a lot of bacteria, and this stuff is getting over complicated, so I really think they should just get rid of all of it so I don’t have to worry about those “superbugs” and “preventable deaths” etc. Big Pharma and no one else is making a big deal out of. Better to die now than succumb to our own unnecessary failures later.

I actually can’t tell if you’re joking or not; there are people out there who seriously believe shit like this— not just that we shouldn’t be putting cephalosporins in cattle feed or whatever, but that we should be letting our bodies heal from strep throat and plague the natural way.

Incidentally, this post is probably medical misnformation.

Puberty blockers have been observed to have long term likely irreversible effects on children and teens, including bone density loss comparable to osteoporosis, that does not reverse when the blockers are stopped.

On the other hand, they might get osteoporosis or whatever from eating our shitty food and breathing our shitty air anyways, and it’s better than having them slit their own throats because of gender dysphoria, so I still see no reason to trust some fucking accountant with a pocket full of fearmongering NYT articles over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide.

I don't necessarily think the fact that children can become obese from eating McDonalds means it's ok for parents to force feed their children until they are obese because they think they might be helping.

Just because harms can also occur in other ways doesn't mean it's ok to actively cause children harm.

Keep in mind: the people studying this are medical professionals, and they're the ones showing the issues. The fact you disregard the studies of medical professionals doesn't make you the one following the science - it makes you the one disregarding it.

[Senkaku]

..over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide.

Those medical professionals are merely siding with this pro-HRT stuff, simply because it is what is more profitable. They have a clinic or student debt to pay off, and they want lucrative kickbacks from big pharma companies. They have a vested interest in prescribing whatever they can, so their motives have to be suspect. The idea that any Doctors in today's era live and breathe the Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm" is pure naivety.

Great, now a Nazi will lecture us on the conspiracies behind the massively lucrative trans medicine industrial complex— did you get hired to work at some hospital or clinic since the forum last checked in on your employment status, giving you deep insights into the medical world? Are you a pharma rep now, Sai? If so, I’d put your energy into hawking Ozempic, oxy, and boob jobs for cis women; they’ll catch all your previously-missed earnings up a lot faster than slipping undergraduates the occasional vial of T.

[Galloism]

..over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide.

Those medical professionals are merely siding with this pro-HRT stuff, simply because it is what is more profitable. They have a clinic or student debt to pay off, and they obviously want lucrative kickbacks from big pharma companies. They have a vested interest in prescribing whatever they can, so their motives have to be suspect. The idea that any Doctors in today's era live and breathe the Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm" is usually pure naivety.

This is ridiculous. I would suggest most are acting in the way they feel is best for their patient. Most doctors do want the best outcome for their patients - that's typically why they became doctors.

Whether that is correct or not is another question. Medical malpractice is super common.

[Senkaku]

Keep in mind: the people studying this are medical professionals, and they're the ones showing the issues. The fact you disregard the studies of medical professionals doesn't make you the one following the science - it makes you the one disregarding it.

So both credulous and motivated, what an unfortunate yet common combination— at least one of us learned to read a study properly, instead of just assuming anything that manages to worm its way through a journal and thence to a media outlet has been effectively declared canon law by the entire scientific establishment. If you want to throw your lot in with the Pamela Pauls and the Sais of the world, be my fucking guest, but don’t expect plaudits from anyone with a brain for your even-handed rigor or whatever.

[Galloism]

Keep in mind: the people studying this are medical professionals, and they're the ones showing the issues. The fact you disregard the studies of medical professionals doesn't make you the one following the science - it makes you the one disregarding it.

So both credulous and motivated, what an unfortunate yet common combination— at least one of us learned to read a study properly, instead of just assuming anything that manages to worm its way through a journal and thence to a media outlet has been effectively declared canon law by the entire scientific establishment. If you want to throw your lot in with the Pamela Pauls and the Sais of the world, be my fucking guest, but don’t expect plaudits from anyone with a brain for your even-handed rigor or whatever.

Indeed. Many medical professionals are both credulous and motivated. Like a lot of people really.

Look, don't disregard the science. It was specifically false when the claim was made that they are completely reversible, they aren't.

They may be preferable in some cases. But they are not without risks, and anyone saying so is just flatly lying.

[Cook-Out]

On the other hand, they might get osteoporosis or whatever from eating our shitty food and breathing our shitty air anyways, and it’s better than having them slit their own throats because of gender dysphoria, so I still see no reason to trust some fucking accountant with a pocket full of fearmongering NYT articles over tens of thousands of seasoned medical professionals who care deeply about their patients and are fully aware of the risks involved in the care they provide. If you’re too credulous to have noticed or too motivated to care about NYT’s extensive anti-trans campaign over the past several years, I see no reason to believe that you’re intellectually capable of taking down the boys and girls at the Mayo Clinic.

Slit their own throats? I'm still confused as to whether or not gender dysphoria is a mental disorder or not, since I have seen people say that it is and that it isn't. However, I'm leaning towards the mental disorder option since like you said transgender people become so distressed when they can't transition that they harm themselves.

However, if it is a mental disorder, then why would we want to say that they are in fact not their biological gender? That seems similar to telling a schizophrenic that the voices in their head are real.