Calls for violence against LGBTQ people intensify

[Gravlen]

Well most people don't care very much about trans rights either way. Whether vaguely in favour or vaguely opposed, they have other concerns in mind when they're pokemon going to the polls. Republicans are losing and will continue to lose because they're living in a media bubble increasingly detached from reality. They're shooting cases of Bud Light and trying to make it illegal for women to wear trousers, not exactly winning issues to the normie American.

I think the negative media buzz around Bud Lite, which has been reflected in plummeting sales, should be a matter of some concern. Mind you, the main drinkers of Bud Lite were working class men and, as a demographic, they’re not super well-known for their progressive attitudes on social issues.

Cancel culture truly is the biggest threat facing the United States, and this wave of cancel culture spreading across the nation is a fundamental threat to free speech rights.

[Bradfordville]

I think the negative media buzz around Bud Lite, which has been reflected in plummeting sales, should be a matter of some concern. Mind you, the main drinkers of Bud Lite were working class men and, as a demographic, they’re not super well-known for their progressive attitudes on social issues.

Cancel culture truly is the biggest threat facing the United States, and this wave of cancel culture spreading across the nation is a fundamental threat to free speech rights.

I really wish the cancel culture people had to live through something like the Salem witch trials or the multitude of pogroms against jews in Tsarist Russia for a day. They're very fortunate to live in a society where not conforming to someone's standards only leads to being shouted down on twitter and not legitimate state sanctioned violence.

You wanna talk cancel culture? Look at what China does to people who mention tiananman square.

[Senkaku]

Well most people don't care very much about trans rights either way. Whether vaguely in favour or vaguely opposed, they have other concerns in mind when they're pokemon going to the polls. Republicans are losing and will continue to lose because they're living in a media bubble increasingly detached from reality. They're shooting cases of Bud Light and trying to make it illegal for women to wear trousers, not exactly winning issues to the normie American.

I think the negative media buzz around Bud Lite, which has been reflected in plummeting sales, should be a matter of some concern. Mind you, the main drinkers of Bud Lite were working class men and, as a demographic, they’re not super well-known for their progressive attitudes on social issues.

One odd ad spend decision doesn’t usually ignite a cultural firestorm on its own, though. The main drinkers of Bud Light still are working-class men afaik, even though sales have taken a hit (which I expect to be temporary); but the creation of a social media phenomenon and “negative media buzz” doesn’t happen organically, those are things that have to be organized. We have a whole ecosystem of right-wing media personalities and influencers who are constantly on the prowl for culture-war stories like the Mulvaney ad now, because they know if they boost it into the public’s consciousness, the outrage generated will get a lot of engagement and sell a lot of ads. Bud Light drinkers who also consume these figures as parts of their media diet are the ones who turned this into an actual controversy that moved stock prices. What’s changed is a combo of media business, technology, and right-wing elite political priorities, I don’t think it’s that most Americans are notably more transphobic on average than they used to be.

[Gravlen]

Cancel culture truly is the biggest threat facing the United States, and this wave of cancel culture spreading across the nation is a fundamental threat to free speech rights.

I really wish the cancel culture people had to live through something like the Salem witch trials or the multitude of pogroms against jews in Tsarist Russia for a day. They're very fortunate to live in a society where not conforming to someone's standards only leads to being shouted down on twitter and not legitimate state sanctioned violence.

You wanna talk cancel culture? Look at what China does to people who mention tiananman square.

The funny thing is that the people saying what I posted above is the same people saying Bud Lite should be cancelled and boycotted.

[Bradfordville]

I really wish the cancel culture people had to live through something like the Salem witch trials or the multitude of pogroms against jews in Tsarist Russia for a day. They're very fortunate to live in a society where not conforming to someone's standards only leads to being shouted down on twitter and not legitimate state sanctioned violence.

You wanna talk cancel culture? Look at what China does to people who mention tiananman square.

The funny thing is that the people saying what I posted above is the same people saying Bud Lite should be cancelled and boycotted.

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

[Gravlen]

The funny thing is that the people saying what I posted above is the same people saying Bud Lite should be cancelled and boycotted.

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

It's always been about hypocrisy and free speech tourism.

[Des-Bal]

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

Wait a minute people can shoot back? That's hypocrisy.

[Bradfordville]

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

Wait a minute people can shoot back? That's hypocrisy.

As if they wouldn't be shooting without a single bullet being fired their way. Let's not pretend that this homophobia and transphobia is a backlash when it's really the same old bigotry that led to the LGBT rights movement in the first place.

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

Hell, I was getting basic sex ed when I was 11.

yeah, I got the first sex-talk when my sister was born, so when I was around 7.

Bruh that’s way too young. At least wait until like, 5th grade.

[Des-Bal]

As if they wouldn't be shooting without a single bullet being fired their way. Let's not pretend that this homophobia and transphobia is a backlash when it's really the same old bigotry that led to the LGBT rights movement in the first place.

You would agree that people are not born with ideas.

[Senkaku]

The funny thing is that the people saying what I posted above is the same people saying Bud Lite should be cancelled and boycotted.

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

Limiting your politics to smirking identifications of “hypocrisy” is a bad way to actually take power. Yes, they want the people they like to not be canceled and for the people they don’t like to be canceled (or imprisoned, or killed), and they have cover stories in each case about free speech or public indecency. The takeaway isn’t “wow, those right wingers aren’t very bright,” it’s “fuck, these people will say whatever whenever to try and seize power.”

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

It's amazing. A majority of the anti cancel culture types are really just mad about who is being canceled and not that someone is being canceled.

It's always been about hypocrisy and free speech tourism.

I will admit, a lot of people hate cancel culture and cry “free speech” because they want to say bad things. But many people, including myself, were cancelled for having a different opinion. I am not transphobic, I am friends with multiple trans people and I respect them and support them and it is not right that trans people are being discriminated against. I simply criticized the mechanics on how gender dysphoria is diagnosed and how do we know if a child who claims to be trans isn’t just doing for attention and that children should not get trans surgery, I was then outed as a fascist bigot for simply questioning and making valid criticisms of trans ideology.

[Gravlen]

It's always been about hypocrisy and free speech tourism.

I will admit, a lot of people hate cancel culture and cry “free speech” because they want to say bad things. But many people, including myself, were cancelled for having a different opinion. I am not transphobic, I am friends with multiple trans people and I respect them and support them and it is not right that trans people are being discriminated against. I simply criticized the mechanics on how gender dysphoria is diagnosed and how do we know if a child who claims to be trans isn’t just doing for attention and that children should not get trans surgery, I was then outed as a fascist bigot for simply questioning and making valid criticisms of trans ideology.

So you were outed as a fascist bigot? Not just accused of being one? Hmmm...

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

I will admit, a lot of people hate cancel culture and cry “free speech” because they want to say bad things. But many people, including myself, were cancelled for having a different opinion. I am not transphobic, I am friends with multiple trans people and I respect them and support them and it is not right that trans people are being discriminated against. I simply criticized the mechanics on how gender dysphoria is diagnosed and how do we know if a child who claims to be trans isn’t just doing for attention and that children should not get trans surgery, I was then outed as a fascist bigot for simply questioning and making valid criticisms of trans ideology.

So you were outed as a fascist bigot? Not just accused of being one? Hmmm...

You know what I mean. Fascists like the proud boys can burn in hell for all I care. People accused me of being a fascist bigot.

Progressive called what they don’t like “fascist” is the exact same thing as conservatives calling what they don’t like “socialist” or “woke”

[Dylar]

I wouldn't be so sure on this, actually. Polling has shown the majority views on the topic are pretty all over the place and doesn't really lean in favor of what either side is preaching. WaPo did a poll a few months back that showed while the majority support gender affirming therapy and counseling they also support bans on puberty blockers and hormone treatments for children and teenagers, as an example.

They're shooting cases of Bud Light

tbf nothing of value is lost by shooting that piss water

[Necroghastia]

It's always been about hypocrisy and free speech tourism.

I will admit, a lot of people hate cancel culture and cry “free speech” because they want to say bad things. But many people, including myself, were cancelled for having a different opinion. I am not transphobic, I am friends with multiple trans people and I respect them and support them and it is not right that trans people are being discriminated against. I simply criticized the mechanics on how gender dysphoria is diagnosed and how do we know if a child who claims to be trans isn’t just doing for attention and that children should not get trans surgery, I was then outed as a fascist bigot for simply questioning and making valid criticisms of trans ideology.

What were your criticisms of "the mechanic of how gender dysphoria is diagnosed?" What do you mean by children getting "trans surgery"? Why should it matter if a child claims to be trans for attention? If they decide they aren't later, then what's the issue? For that matter, is that even a thing?

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

I will admit, a lot of people hate cancel culture and cry “free speech” because they want to say bad things. But many people, including myself, were cancelled for having a different opinion. I am not transphobic, I am friends with multiple trans people and I respect them and support them and it is not right that trans people are being discriminated against. I simply criticized the mechanics on how gender dysphoria is diagnosed and how do we know if a child who claims to be trans isn’t just doing for attention and that children should not get trans surgery, I was then outed as a fascist bigot for simply questioning and making valid criticisms of trans ideology.

What were your criticisms of "the mechanic of how gender dysphoria is diagnosed?" What do you mean by children getting "trans surgery"? Why should it matter if a child claims to be trans for attention? If they decide they aren't later, then what's the issue? For that matter, is that even a thing?

What I’m saying is that transgenderism should be studied as a psychological phenomenon. Gen Z identifying as transgender has literally doubled, how is that normal? Is there risk of social contagion? How do we prevent misdiagnosis? I don’t think people under the age of 18 should get medical surgery such as gentital removal or top surgery, and you should be at least like 14 or 15 before getting hormones. How do we know if a kid is just going through a phase? What if a kid goes through an emotional phase, gets trans treatment, ruins their pubescent development, and kills themself, what then? There is not much research done on the side effects of puberty blockers and hormones, people will say it’s “completely reversible” I don’t think blocking somebodies psychological and physical development and changing the hormones out is completely “reversible.” You ever wonder why so many people who get puberty blockers act so childish? Because their brain quite literally skipped puberty, that’s not healthy. Hormone treatment should be done in late puberty and surgery should be done after a person turns 18.

[The Black Forrest]

They're shooting cases of Bud Light

tbf nothing of value is lost by shooting that piss water

Isn’t that polluting the ground?

[Juansonia]

tbf nothing of value is lost by shooting that piss water

Isn’t that polluting the ground?

Adding a negligeble amount of pure water to an ecosystem with moderate rainfall? How?

[Ifreann]

What were your criticisms of "the mechanic of how gender dysphoria is diagnosed?" What do you mean by children getting "trans surgery"? Why should it matter if a child claims to be trans for attention? If they decide they aren't later, then what's the issue? For that matter, is that even a thing?

What I’m saying is that transgenderism should be studied as a psychological phenomenon. Gen Z identifying as transgender has literally doubled, how is that normal? Is there risk of social contagion? How do we prevent misdiagnosis? I don’t think people under the age of 18 should get medical surgery such as gentital removal or top surgery, and you should be at least like 14 or 15 before getting hormones. How do we know if a kid is just going through a phase? What if a kid goes through an emotional phase, gets trans treatment, ruins their pubescent development, and kills themself, what then? There is not much research done on the side effects of puberty blockers and hormones, people will say it’s “completely reversible” I don’t think blocking somebodies psychological and physical development and changing the hormones out is completely “reversible.” You ever wonder why so many people who get puberty blockers act so childish? Because their brain quite literally skipped puberty, that’s not healthy. Hormone treatment should be done in late puberty and surgery should be done after a person turns 18.

Super cool to care more about the hypothetical possibility of a cis kid getting transition treatments they later regret and committing suicide than all the real trans kids committing suicide. Says it all really.

[Gravlen]

What were your criticisms of "the mechanic of how gender dysphoria is diagnosed?" What do you mean by children getting "trans surgery"? Why should it matter if a child claims to be trans for attention? If they decide they aren't later, then what's the issue? For that matter, is that even a thing?

What I’m saying is that transgenderism should be studied as a psychological phenomenon. Gen Z identifying as transgender has literally doubled, how is that normal? Is there risk of social contagion? How do we prevent misdiagnosis? I don’t think people under the age of 18 should get medical surgery such as gentital removal or top surgery, and you should be at least like 14 or 15 before getting hormones. How do we know if a kid is just going through a phase? What if a kid goes through an emotional phase, gets trans treatment, ruins their pubescent development, and kills themself, what then? There is not much research done on the side effects of puberty blockers and hormones, people will say it’s “completely reversible” I don’t think blocking somebodies psychological and physical development and changing the hormones out is completely “reversible.” You ever wonder why so many people who get puberty blockers act so childish? Because their brain quite literally skipped puberty, that’s not healthy. Hormone treatment should be done in late puberty and surgery should be done after a person turns 18.

Are you suggesting that health care professionals should be involved? And that there should be professional guidelines on what kind of care trans people get?

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

What I’m saying is that transgenderism should be studied as a psychological phenomenon. Gen Z identifying as transgender has literally doubled, how is that normal? Is there risk of social contagion? How do we prevent misdiagnosis? I don’t think people under the age of 18 should get medical surgery such as gentital removal or top surgery, and you should be at least like 14 or 15 before getting hormones. How do we know if a kid is just going through a phase? What if a kid goes through an emotional phase, gets trans treatment, ruins their pubescent development, and kills themself, what then? There is not much research done on the side effects of puberty blockers and hormones, people will say it’s “completely reversible” I don’t think blocking somebodies psychological and physical development and changing the hormones out is completely “reversible.” You ever wonder why so many people who get puberty blockers act so childish? Because their brain quite literally skipped puberty, that’s not healthy. Hormone treatment should be done in late puberty and surgery should be done after a person turns 18.

Super cool to care more about the hypothetical possibility of a cis kid getting transition treatments they later regret and committing suicide than all the real trans kids committing suicide. Says it all really.

Why do people always assume I don’t support the other thing by the fact I didn’t mention it? Trans kids and transgender people committing suicide is also a problem, but for the reason of them getting bullied and discriminated, which is wrong and the laws being passed that discriminate against trans people are wrong, however I do not disagree nor agree with the laws being passed that universally ban trans treatment for minors.

Threatening suicide because you feel like you are in the wrong body and if you don’t get hormones and surgery done to fit in your supposed preferred body you will miserable. That statement right there, how does that not sound like a mental illness?

[Azohahae]

I heard that Uganda banned gay people

[Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing]

I heard that Uganda banned gay people

“Why are you gae?”

But seriously tho that’s messed up and disgusting. Ancient Greece allowed gay people, do better Uganda.

[Necroghastia]

What were your criticisms of "the mechanic of how gender dysphoria is diagnosed?" What do you mean by children getting "trans surgery"? Why should it matter if a child claims to be trans for attention? If they decide they aren't later, then what's the issue? For that matter, is that even a thing?

What I’m saying is that transgenderism should be studied as a psychological phenomenon. Gen Z identifying as transgender has literally doubled, how is that normal? Is there risk of social contagion?

I'm going to stop you right there, and ask that you read this.

How do we prevent misdiagnosis? I don’t think people under the age of 18 should get medical surgery such as gentital removal or top surgery,

As long as we're consistent... Can we ban circumcision until then too? Or "correction" (blech) of intersex genitals?

and you should be at least like 14 or 15 before getting hormones. How do we know if a kid is just going through a phase? What if a kid goes through an emotional phase, gets trans treatment, ruins their pubescent development, and kills themself, what then?

Again, how likely is this, compared to how many people get treatment and do not regret it? How likely is it compared to the people denied treatment that must deal with the ensuing crises?
At a point, it feels like we're doing more to assuage the paranoia of cis people than actually to help treat trans people...

There is not much research done on the side effects of puberty blockers and hormones, people will say it’s “completely reversible” I don’t think blocking somebodies psychological and physical development and changing the hormones out is completely “reversible.” You ever wonder why so many people who get puberty blockers act so childish? Because their brain quite literally skipped puberty, that’s not healthy.

Literally never heard that before in my life.

Super cool to care more about the hypothetical possibility of a cis kid getting transition treatments they later regret and committing suicide than all the real trans kids committing suicide. Says it all really.

Why do people always assume I don’t support the other thing by the fact I didn’t mention it? Trans kids and transgender people committing suicide is also a problem, but for the reason of them getting bullied and discriminated, which is wrong and the laws being passed that discriminate against trans people are wrong, however I do not disagree nor agree with the laws being passed that universally ban trans treatment for minors.

Threatening suicide because you feel like you are in the wrong body and if you don’t get hormones and surgery done to fit in your supposed preferred body you will miserable. That statement right there, how does that not sound like a mental illness?

It does sound like a mental illness. That is dysphoria (notably not the same thing as simply being trans). You'll never guess what the treatment for dysphoria is...