Calls for violence against LGBTQ people intensify

[Des-Bal]

Teaching children that gay people exist is not a bad thing. If they're old enough to watch sleeping beauty get woken by the prince's kiss, they're old enough to get woke about two men kissing.

Also, they're fucking schools. Is the idea your kid is supposed to be confused about gender and sexuality? This "Leave it to the parents" bullshit doesn't hold water the kids are there to learn what the state deems necessary. If you want to teach them then beat the school to it.

[Rary]

Then it’s simple, learn how to defend yourself with your bare hands instead of relying on a weapon. You won’t always have your gun on you, so why not learn a new skill.

>you won't always have your gun on you

But... y not?

Why would you? No one else does.

[Countesia]

Remember how the NRA turned pro-gun control when the Black Panthers were a thing? It would happen all over again.

The NRA didn't "turn" pro gun control they were pro gun control. They lobbied for the NFA and really most gun control legislation for decades and never pushed back on anything until they wanted a national registry. If the cops hadn't shot Ken Ballew the NRA may still support gun control.

This is a very interesting read on the topic

[Rary]

How about disarming both sides?

Disarming a vulnerable minority seems like the kind of thing that will just get more of them killed.

Did you read the last two words?

[Rary]

How about disarming both sides?

This is America, people have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms for all lawful purposes.

Unfortunately, there are 200 other countries, most of which don’t share America’s constitutional rights.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

rocks? boards with nails in them? pointy sticks? humans killed each other before guns.

And you can include most everyday household items in that list.

yes

[Rary]

And you can include most everyday household items in that list.

yes

Most of them are very rarely used in violent crimes. 90% of the time it’s a gun or a knife.

[Ifreann]

Disarming a vulnerable minority seems like the kind of thing that will just get more of them killed.

Did you read the last two words?

Yes. Point stands.

[Rary]

Did you read the last two words?

Yes. Point stands.

Then these minorities can look at my other point. viewtopic.php?p=40603788#p40603788

[Eden Ultima]

Threats of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community are on the rise and intensifying, according to a new briefing by the Department of Homeland Security.

The DHS document, distributed to government and law enforcement agencies on May 11, said that domestic violence extremists and people who commit hate crimes have increased threats of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community within the last year.

"These issues include actions linked to drag-themed events, gender-affirming care, and LGBTQIA+ curricula in schools," DHS said.

DHS said that the issues inspiring threats and calls of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community could lead to a rise of potential attacks against larger targets, such as public spaces and healthcare sites that may be linked to the community.

DHS analysts also cite social media chatter celebrating the recent mass shooting at a Nashville church school.

"High-profile attacks against schools and faith-based institutions like the recent shooting in Nashville have historically served as inspiration for individuals to conduct copycat attacks," DHS said.

In recent months, politicians in Tennessee, Florida and other Republican-run states have introduced legislation that critics say targets the LGBTQIA+ community.

In March 2022, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education bill, dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill by detractors.

The bill banned classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade. Last month, the Florida Board of Education expanded those restrictions to include all grades. In March, Tennessee became the first state to restrict public drag performances.

HB 9 and SB 3, signed by Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, make "a person who engages in an adult cabaret performance on public property" -- or where it can be viewed by minors -- a criminal offense.

Last month, a federal judge temporarily blocked the law, saying it was vaguely written and overly broad, according to AP.

At least 14 states have passed laws or policies that restrict gender-affirming care for people under the age of legal majority, which is the threshold for legal adulthood.

According to DHS, about 20% of all hate crimes reported throughout the country in 2021 were motivated by bias linked to sexual orientation and gender, citing the FBI's hate crime statistics.

This is what all the anti-woke nonsense gets you in the end, and why I will never vote for a Republican.

So, NSG, is the Republican culture war against those who aren't heteronormative the cause of this? And if not, who is?

I'm definitely going to say that if the Repubs aren't responsible for creating this harmful, hateful rhetoric, they are responsible for amplifying it and if there is another massacre of LGBT individuals (say, in the style of the Pulse Nightclub shooting), then the right should be held responsible for creating an environment where it's more likely to happen.

I got to give my piece of advice. Killing is wrong. PERIOD. To advocate for yourself to kill is actually wrong as well. Learn from Martin Luther King: It leads to more DEATH. Yes, you have to bear arms for children, but if your over that age of 18, you are hardly a child.
I know: A hard thing to do. But I assume that you don't' wants to see killing. I assume that same risk for disability nationalism. We will be killed. Even if it takes a million years, then yes, we should do that same. Millions upon millions killed. But we will win in the end. Violence ( except for kids under the age of 18) against thhe other makes sure that someone will lose and that someone is YOU.

[American Legionaries]

>you won't always have your gun on you

But... y not?

Why would you? No one else does.

Because dying sounds distinctly not fun.

And plenty of other people do.

[Democratic Poopland]

Why would you? No one else does.

Because dying sounds distinctly not fun.

And plenty of other people do.

Yes. Dying isn't very fun!

[Bradfordville]

Because dying sounds distinctly not fun.

And plenty of other people do.

Yes. Dying isn't very fun!

Vikings disagree.

[Democratic Poopland]

Yes. Dying isn't very fun!

Vikings disagree.

Yes, and they think killing is also fun. I disagree with Vikings.

[The Pure Russia]

Ever notice all the outrage is from people who never observed a drag queen doing a reading?

The picture of such people in characteristic costumes reading a book to children is used by conservative propaganda.

Yes, which is why conservatives use such wording. As a scare tactic to whip up a moral panic.

So put on these shows in indoor adult-only rooms, what's the problem?

No reason to ban it, especially when drag bans often use the terms "male or female impersonator" and other vagueries that can easily just mean regular trans people.

Law may be "raw", I guess

...What do you mean, "perpetuate?"

That is, to take measures to ensure that they remain with a non-innate gener.

Don't tell me you believe in that "social contagion" malarkey...

A century ago, they were zero point radish tenths of a percent of the population, and now gender topics look very popular among the youth of Western liberal countries. If this is not the result of socio-cultural influence, then what is it?

What is "this?" Letting them dress how they want, use the pronouns they feel suit them? Virtually everyone has some kind of "chemo-surgical action" at some point. And besides, your objection was over the "stupid childish brain" making decisions, yeah? So now why are you bringing up "later years?"

Younger age has a noticeable effect on later years, doesn't it? And the younger years are years of increased vulnerability to all sorts of cultural trends and other influences.

[Juansonia]

This is America, people have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms for all lawful purposes.

Unfortunately, there are 200 other countries, most of which don’t share America’s constitutional rights.

The recent calls for violence are within the context of the United States. The other countries aren't very relevant to this conversation.

[Ifreann]

Yes. Point stands.

Then these minorities can look at my other point. viewtopic.php?p=40603788#p40603788

I don't think anyone needs to heed your suggestions about how to defend themselves after you've successfully banned guns in America.

[The Pure Russia]

Yes. Point stands.

Then these minorities can look at my other point. viewtopic.php?p=40603788#p40603788

The majority can, roughly speaking, shower the minority with meat, even without weapons.
+ don't forget about the illegal guns

[Juansonia]

Ever notice all the outrage is from people who never observed a drag queen doing a reading?

The picture of such people in characteristic costumes reading a book to children is used by conservative propaganda.

Seems like you believe it.

Yes, which is why conservatives use such wording. As a scare tactic to whip up a moral panic.

So put on these shows in indoor adult-only rooms, what's the problem?

The conversation is about how the definition of "adult entertainment" is being stretched unreasonably by state laws which ban trans people and crossdressers from existing in public.

No reason to ban it, especially when drag bans often use the terms "male or female impersonator" and other vagueries that can easily just mean regular trans people.

Law may be "raw", I guess

If the law can be reasonably interpreted a way that does somethng, it's equivelant to being intended to do that same thing.

...What do you mean, "perpetuate?"

That is, to take measures to ensure that they remain with a non-innate gener.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Don't tell me you believe in that "social contagion" malarkey...

A century ago, they were zero point radish tenths of a percent of the population, and now gender topics look very popular among the youth of Western liberal countries. If this is not the result of socio-cultural influence, then what is it?

When schools stopped forcing children to use their right hand, rates of left-handedness spiked.

[Necroghastia]

Ever notice all the outrage is from people who never observed a drag queen doing a reading?

The picture of such people in characteristic costumes reading a book to children is used by conservative propaganda.

Yes, which is why conservatives use such wording. As a scare tactic to whip up a moral panic.

So put on these shows in indoor adult-only rooms, what's the problem?

...You do realize they are lumping in entirely innocuous, SFW performances in with more bawdy things simply because of drag, right? And that drag is not an inherently NSFW thing? And that, again, a transgender person (not in any sort of drag at all) giving a lecture or something would be included in this?

No reason to ban it, especially when drag bans often use the terms "male or female impersonator" and other vagueries that can easily just mean regular trans people.

Law may be "raw", I guess

?????

...What do you mean, "perpetuate?"

That is, to take measures to ensure that they remain with a non-innate gener.

...Their gender is innate. That's the whole deal. Their innate gender conflicts with their sex.

Don't tell me you believe in that "social contagion" malarkey...

A century ago, they were zero point radish tenths of a percent of the population, and now gender topics look very popular among the youth of Western liberal countries. If this is not the result of socio-cultural influence, then what is it?

Rates of left-handedness went up when we stopped beating people for being left-handed. If this is not the result of socio-cultural influence, then what is it?

What is "this?" Letting them dress how they want, use the pronouns they feel suit them? Virtually everyone has some kind of "chemo-surgical action" at some point. And besides, your objection was over the "stupid childish brain" making decisions, yeah? So now why are you bringing up "later years?"

Younger age has a noticeable effect on later years, doesn't it? And the younger years are years of increased vulnerability to all sorts of cultural trends and other influences.

Again, there is no evidence for the "social contagion" malarkey.

[Bradfordville]

Are we really supposed to believe that the reason more people are admitting to being gay or bisexual or Trans is because kids just one day decided to do it to be cool (which doesn't make sense in a country where LGBT people are regularly harassed or even murdered), and not because there were millions of LGBT people in 1876 that didn't tell anyone about it because it was literally illegal back then? This is like repealing Islamic law in Iran and then being shocked when millions of people admit to being atheists.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

yes

Most of them are very rarely used in violent crimes. 90% of the time it’s a gun or a knife.

that’s because there are guns and knives.

[Des-Bal]

This is a very interesting read on the topic

Addressed in the gun control thread.

Are we really supposed to believe that the reason more people are admitting to being gay or bisexual or Trans is because kids just one day decided to do it to be cool (which doesn't make sense in a country where LGBT people are regularly harassed or even murdered), and not because there were millions of LGBT people in 1876 that didn't tell anyone about it because it was literally illegal back then? This is like repealing Islamic law in Iran and then being shocked when millions of people admit to being atheists.

Yeah no one would ever do anything go against the grain especially not young people.

[Bradfordville]

Teaching children that gay people exist is not a bad thing. If they're old enough to watch sleeping beauty get woken by the prince's kiss, they're old enough to get woke about two men kissing.

Also, they're fucking schools. Is the idea your kid is supposed to be confused about gender and sexuality? This "Leave it to the parents" bullshit doesn't hold water the kids are there to learn what the state deems necessary. If you want to teach them then beat the school to it.

When I was in school, they left teaching contraception to the parents.

Man made horrors beyond comprehension were the result.

[Bradfordville]

This is a very interesting read on the topic

Addressed in the gun control thread.

Are we really supposed to believe that the reason more people are admitting to being gay or bisexual or Trans is because kids just one day decided to do it to be cool (which doesn't make sense in a country where LGBT people are regularly harassed or even murdered), and not because there were millions of LGBT people in 1876 that didn't tell anyone about it because it was literally illegal back then? This is like repealing Islamic law in Iran and then being shocked when millions of people admit to being atheists.

Yeah no one would ever do anything go against the grain especially not young people.

It's an extraordinary claim to believe that all these kids are just lying about their sexual orientation. Seems more likely to me that there was just a lot of people in the old days who were hiding their real feelings, but people don't have to do that as much anymore.