US Balkanisation - Is it time?

[Washington-Columbia]

No. Many States rely on the federal government to fulfill their expenses and would struggle without money from the US Government. They wouldn't enjoy their freedom for long and would have to form to other states. Second, I'd rather have a country that commits war crimes than a country that abuses human rights of Uyghurs or a country that commits war crimes and abuses the human rights of Russians more so than the US. Third, you don't solve political polarization with disunity. That creates more problems than it solves.

[Kernen]

No. Many States rely on the federal government to fulfill their expenses and would struggle without money from the US Government. They wouldn't enjoy their freedom for long and would have to form to other states. Second, I'd rather have a country that commits war crimes than a country that abuses human rights of Uyghurs or a country that commits war crimes and abuses the human rights of Russians more so than the US. Third, you don't solve political polarization with disunity. That creates more problems than it solves.

Disunity in a marriage needs a divorce. Same here.

[Thermodolia]

Just because they don't know how to drive is no reason to blow them up.

An acceptable reason to blow them up is "they are Massachusetts."

Arbitrary hatred is tons of fun.

True. San Diego and Las Vegas are rightfully Arizonan!

[Vivida Vis Animi]

This might not be the intent, but asking "is it time for balkanization" suggests some sort of inevitability of it to me. As if saying no today only pushes the event to eventually happen later down the road, which I really don't think is the case. With any geopolitical region actually, not just the US.

So why have a federal government? To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes. I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

I wouldn't really call the Congressional, Judicial, or Presidential systems to be politically stagnant at all. Of course a polarized, two-party system that is heavily influenced by the likes of lobbying and gerrymandering (as example) isn't going to be perfect by any means, but I don't think the correct solution here is "give up, everyone resorts to a free for all. "A "national divorce" would be far more messy process than simply fixing the systems already in place. We'd be throwing away generations of work progress because a small minority decided they can't imagine a political process larger than their own personal backyard.

[Kernen]

An acceptable reason to blow them up is "they are Massachusetts."

Arbitrary hatred is tons of fun.

True. San Diego and Las Vegas are rightfully Arizonan!

Let's not pretend that California can't fight you desert people off using sticks and human wave tactics.

[Adamede]

There cannot be survival without unity

For once you’re not wrong. At best the only states capable of supporting themsives are Texas and California.

[EuroStralia]

This idea is absurd, the federal government would never allow it to happens. Also, many states economies rely on the federal government so it would weaken the states aswell.

[Adamede]

The rest of the world can only hope for the collapse of the United States

Yes I’m sure Ukraine and Taiwan would just love that huh?

[Washington-Columbia]

No. Many States rely on the federal government to fulfill their expenses and would struggle without money from the US Government. They wouldn't enjoy their freedom for long and would have to form to other states. Second, I'd rather have a country that commits war crimes than a country that abuses human rights of Uyghurs or a country that commits war crimes and abuses the human rights of Russians more so than the US. Third, you don't solve political polarization with disunity. That creates more problems than it solves.

Disunity in a marriage needs a divorce. Same here.

Marriages are widely different from Federation. It's harder to solve the problems of the wake of the dissolution of the US than it is to solve the problems of divorce in a marriage. In a divorce or being widowed, while it can affect you seriously, you can get back on track and learn how to do tasks on your own, like cooking or employment, maybe even get remarried. In a federation, it's harder than it is because the logistics are bigger. Yes, states might be self-sufficient soon, but it would surely take longer than divorce with more serious budget changes and setting up new services as many old ones that used to exist under the Federal Government no longer exist. Also, a divorce is not the same as balkanization, with 2 people and maybe several of their children, compared to 50 US States and 5 inhabited territories.

Besides, this is disunity that we can possible repair, whether through force as shown in the US Civil War, or through laws passed in the nick of time.

[Great Ornamentya]

No? With all the means given the US is less likely to balkanize itself now than during most of it's history. And the political divisions regarding parties will eventually settle since less and less people care about politics and large media corporations due to the oversaturation they generate within the new technologies.

[Great Ornamentya]

No? With all the means given the US is less likely to balkanize itself now than during most of it's history. And the political divisions regarding parties will eventually settle since less and less people care about politics and large media corporations due to the oversaturation they generate within the new technologies.

[The Two Jerseys]

Imagine thinking that "red" and "blue" states have homogeneous populations and that balkanization won't just create fifty Bosnias...

[El Lazaro]

The creation of Serbia was a mistake, and an independent Texas would be the American Serbia.

[Juansonia]

The creation of Serbia was a mistake, and an independent Texas would be the American Serbia.

Cope and Seethe, Austro-Hungarian empire.

[Bradfordville]

The rest of the world can only hope for the collapse of the United States

Yes I’m sure Ukraine and Taiwan would just love that huh?

Most of the world isn't ukraine or Taiwan. And with some of the things America has done to other countries across the global south, I can very much see why a place like Iraq for example wouldn't mind seeing their former occupier become substantially weaker and less threatening on a global stage.

[The Aswaltican Imperium]

Kosovo is Albanian

[Bahrimontagn]

Balkanization... is it time?
No.
Would it be a good idea?
No.
Should we eat chicken sandwiches?
N–Yes!

Anyways, the whole idea of breaking apart the US is ludicrous. To take a quote from NS Elects the POTUS: "Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!—Daniel Webster, Senator of Massachusetts.

It would be a good idea.

[Kernen]

Balkanization... is it time?
No.
Would it be a good idea?
No.
Should we eat chicken sandwiches?
N–Yes!

Anyways, the whole idea of breaking apart the US is ludicrous. To take a quote from NS Elects the POTUS: "Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!—Daniel Webster, Senator of Massachusetts.

It would be a good idea.

The only thing holding Florida back is the rest of the US, so I'm gonna doubt that.

[Bayerischer Faschistenstaat]

And remove the American hedgemon from the world?

Our greatest strength is diversity ((as much as I hate to admit)). Nowhere else in the world will you find a Chinese person serving side by side with a person of color and a white man. Nowhere.
We are home to every ethnic group in the world, and there is no reason to Balkanize a state in which we have not instability since the 30’s and of course the entire first half of our history.))

[Bayerischer Faschistenstaat]

Yes I’m sure Ukraine and Taiwan would just love that huh?

Most of the world isn't ukraine or Taiwan. And with some of the things America has done to other countries across the global south, I can very much see why a place like Iraq for example wouldn't mind seeing their former occupier become substantially weaker and less threatening on a global stage.

To be fair, I agree with him. Most of our former friends have become our bitter enemies. France, Britain and Germany all seek to distance American influence, and Australia would just as easily play lapdog with China as they do with us. Trump’s policy was good, Biden’s is bad ((one made us a fool on the world stage, one made us respected.)

[Maurnindaia]

Really REALLY dumb idea.
Just- not smart. For reasons that are hopefully made obvious by the other 3-4 pages of this thread.

[Bayerischer Faschistenstaat]

Really REALLY dumb idea.
Just- not smart. For reasons that are hopefully made obvious by the other 3-4 pages of this thread.

To be fair I could agree a bit with the American Union idea ((EU but American)). But outside of that, god no. We haven’t even taken to consideration of who gets the nuclear warheads, etc, etc. Alaska would immediately be ceased by Russia and China, California economy collapses, and suddenly Texa is the superpower of the Americas. Sound fucking horrid.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

The Democrats want you to believe that we want to tear America apart, folks. It's ridiculous. Really, can you believe them?
I love America. Really, nobody loves America more than I do. I've served America for 7 years as the 45th President and they doubt that me and the Republican party would want to secede. This type of thought only comes out of the senile mouth of Sleepy Joe.

[The Black Forrest]

The Democrats want you to believe that we want to tear America apart, folks. It's ridiculous. Really, can you believe them?
I love America. Really, nobody loves America more than I do. I've served America for 7 years as the 45th President and they doubt that me and the Republican party would want to secede. This type of thought only comes out of the senile mouth of Sleepy Joe.

Use the wrong account?

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

The Democrats want you to believe that we want to tear America apart, folks. It's ridiculous. Really, can you believe them?
I love America. Really, nobody loves America more than I do. I've served America for 7 years as the 45th President and they doubt that me and the Republican party would want to secede. This type of thought only comes out of the senile mouth of Sleepy Joe.

Use the wrong account?

No. Right account. I am indeed the real 45th President.