US Balkanisation - Is it time?

[The Black Forrest]

Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

[Kernen]

Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

Because raiding Cape Cod via fishing boat in the name of Independant New Hampshire sounds like the ultimate weekend plan.

[Independent Republic of Boldonia]

I get the news from America can seem scary to all of you foreigners, but the United States is nowhere near the verge of collapse. I live in a red state, Tennessee, one that you always see on the news. Yet, I struggle to think of one way that partisan politics in my state has made my life worse in a significant way. If you knew nothing about Tennessee and traveled there at two times years apart the only differences you could see would be attributed to the passage of time, not partisanship.

[Rusozak]

I get the news from America can seem scary to all of you foreigners, but the United States is nowhere near the verge of collapse. I live in a red state, Tennessee, one that you always see on the news. Yet, I struggle to think of one way that partisan politics in my state has made my life worse in a significant way. If you knew nothing about Tennessee and traveled there at two times years apart the only differences you could see would be attributed to the passage of time, not partisanship.

But it's not just how you are doing, but others living in your state too. Can the same be said of the people the GOP has persecuted? Can a transgender person living in Tennessee honestly say the partisanship of the state hasn't negatively impacted their lives?

[Thermodolia]

I get the news from America can seem scary to all of you foreigners, but the United States is nowhere near the verge of collapse. I live in a red state, Tennessee, one that you always see on the news. Yet, I struggle to think of one way that partisan politics in my state has made my life worse in a significant way. If you knew nothing about Tennessee and traveled there at two times years apart the only differences you could see would be attributed to the passage of time, not partisanship.

But it's not just how you are doing, but others living in your state too. Can the same be said of the people the GOP has persecuted? Can a transgender person living in Tennessee honestly say the partisanship of the state hasn't negatively impacted their lives?

But none of that means the US is going to a civil war

[Hispida]

Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

actually, i was radicalized by biden.

[Countesia]

Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised

Oh sweetums...is this when you tuned in?

I was 12, so I guess

[Pua Pua]

.... No?
I've seen a lot of people crying second civil war on NS. I really can't see that anytime soon. And it's definitely not time, I don't think we should balkanize. That'll only make the issue at hand worse.

Funny enough NSG is the only place I see people talking about civil war. The rest of the internet I visit doesn’t talk about it and I damn sure don’t see talk about it in my actual life.

To be expected lol. People throw out insane ideas on here

[Floofybit]

Funny enough NSG is the only place I see people talking about civil war. The rest of the internet I visit doesn’t talk about it and I damn sure don’t see talk about it in my actual life.

To be expected lol. People throw out insane ideas on here

I'd be scared if people started throwing out sane ideas

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

it worked really well the last time they tried

[Portzania]

This will never happen with in the time all of these posters on this website dies.

[Independent Republic of Boldonia]

I get the news from America can seem scary to all of you foreigners, but the United States is nowhere near the verge of collapse. I live in a red state, Tennessee, one that you always see on the news. Yet, I struggle to think of one way that partisan politics in my state has made my life worse in a significant way. If you knew nothing about Tennessee and traveled there at two times years apart the only differences you could see would be attributed to the passage of time, not partisanship.

But it's not just how you are doing, but others living in your state too. Can the same be said of the people the GOP has persecuted? Can a transgender person living in Tennessee honestly say the partisanship of the state hasn't negatively impacted their lives?

Yes, I won't deny their lives haven't been negatively effected. But have their lives been totally upended and forever changed to the point of no return, I doubt it.

Besides, how does that argument mean that Tennessee should be, or will be, separated from the rest of the country. Just because our lawmakers are stupid doesn't mean that they're dumb enough to start a civil war. As much as you may think, the states are physically unable to be independent from one another, even the powerful ones. The United States has the largest economy and military in the world, there is no state that hasn't benefited from the rest of the country. California wouldn't have such a large GDP if there weren't navy bases in Washington to protect them, New York couldn't sustain such a large population without agricultural products from Nebraska, Florida couldn't have such a large tourism industry if there weren't tourists coming in from North Carolina, the states know this and know that independence isn't an option. So it infuriates me to see both my own countrymen and women as well as foreigners from saying "Oh no, a civil war is going to start" because anyone with half a brian knows the consequences, including the people that would supposedly start the civil war.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

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Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised between the Democrat and Republican party to the point very few politicians, even its own populace, have an overlap in beliefs.

Talks of civil war, or the 'Boogaloo' are almost regular conversation among certain groups.

Needless to say, people do not like the federal government unless a politician of their liking is in power. The Trump and Biden administrations have only proven this further. Laws signed by both presidents have been hugely unpopular in red and blue states. Trump's travel bans, transgender military exclusions and Bidens Respect for Marriage Act are two examples of this.

It is safe to say that at any given time at least 50% of the country does not like the federal government.

So why have a federal government? To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes. I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

A union of 51 US Nation States similar to the EU nations is an interesting political idea. The Red States nation and Blue States nation might happen, if the hate continues.

[Thermodolia]

Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

actually, i was radicalized by biden.

Such a youngin

[American Legionaries]

There cannot be survival without unity

On the contrary, unity with some folks can only occur if I haven't survived.

[American Legionaries]

.... No?
I've seen a lot of people crying second civil war on NS. I really can't see that anytime soon. And it's definitely not time, I don't think we should balkanize. That'll only make the issue at hand worse.

Funny enough NSG is the only place I see people talking about civil war. The rest of the internet I visit doesn’t talk about it and I damn sure don’t see talk about it in my actual life.

That's because a big igloo would melt in the sun down there.

[Bradfordville]

How exactly are we defining civil war in here? If anyone seriously expects a conventional full scale war in the US akin to what is going on in Sudan then they're honestly wistfully thinking for something horrible that isn't likely. But a small scale guerilla war by extremists that winds up killing hundreds of people per year? I think it's simply a matter of when and not if when it comes to that. Hell, we may already be living through that. But here's what I really want to know. Why is everyone concerned about civil war in America when we already have the amount of violence we do? 15,000 to 20,000 Americans are killed by gun violence every year but somehow several children killed in a middle school, a shopping market massacre or your usual urban chaos is not cause for concern. It's been somewhere around a week since 8 people died in Allen Texas. I'm way more concerned about those situations than I am about a hypothetical civil war that has not happened yet.

Okay, now, as for the idea of a national divorce, I feel like this would be a very bad idea in practice. Americans talk about red and blue states but our country does not neatly fall into perfectly partisan lines by state. The city of New Orleans for example is heavily democratic despite resting within a Republican state. And conversely there are very red areas within solidly blue California. And don't even get me started on the purple swing states. A national divorce would be a mess as we tried to divide up different areas based on politics and I imagine it would almost certainly lead to bleeding Kansas style violence. And as other posters here have pointed out, the US as a nation really cannot survive separated. Every state really does need the others. If we tried to separate, the amount of influence each state would have on the world stage would be miniscule compared to America as a whole, and how would we even divide up our military forces between the states? Who gets ahold of the 5000 nuclear warheads America possesses? The Great divorce only sounds worse and worse the more you think about it, and it will frankly never be a good time for it to happen.

[Bradfordville]

Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

actually, i was radicalized by biden.

Look at this guy I was radicalized by George W. Bush.

[Urine Town]

I wished I was a CIA agent so I could arrest anyone who supports this archaic proposal

[Kernen]

I wished I was a CIA agent so I could arrest anyone who supports this archaic proposal

The CIA lacks arrest powers.

Not, you know, like that stops them.

[Thermodolia]

I wished I was a CIA agent so I could arrest anyone who supports this archaic proposal

The CIA lacks arrest powers.

Not, you know, like that stops them.

The CIA doesn’t arrest anyone silly, they just kill them

[Bradfordville]

The CIA lacks arrest powers.

Not, you know, like that stops them.

The CIA doesn’t arrest anyone silly, they just kill them

They were under arrest.

Cardiac arrest.

[Ethel mermania]

Believe it or not, there is, in fact, room between balkanization and complete and perfect cooperative unity.

You mean like making the 10th amendment a real one?

[Ethel mermania]

>Balkanization

Do people seriously look at 1990s Yugoslavia and think "Yes, this is what I want for my country"?

To be fair, the idea of armed conflict with Massachusetts does sound like fun...

Just because they don't know how to drive is no reason to blow them up.

[Sonakion]

The CIA lacks arrest powers.

Not, you know, like that stops them.

The CIA doesn’t arrest anyone silly, they just kill them

No, no, no they only try to kill them. Cia doesn't do 'finish the job'.