US Balkanisation - Is it time?

[Bienenhalde]

It existed in the past because people were patriotic and believed that it deserved to exist. Now that patriotism is at an all time low, I don't see how people will be motivated to keep the US together.

For survival. If the U.S. breaks into smaller countries, it's easy prey for vengeful countries

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

[Dixie]

For survival. If the U.S. breaks into smaller countries, it's easy prey for vengeful countries

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

Enlightened self-interest, presumably. It's convinced people to fight to preserve lesser regimes.

[Arval Va]

Apparently, Anarcho-Syndicalists are fascist-enablers.

In this context and your LARP aside, yes.

Some early syndicalists were associated with racist and nationalist violence, especially in Italy, but it was by no means an undercurrent of syndicalism as a whole; most syndicalists of the time (and today) were associated with socialism. And don't forget that this is anarcho-syndicalism, anarchy and fascism being about as incompatible as it gets. Of course, your central idea that people who disagree with the government at all are all fascists would require that basically everyone be a fascist. Either the fascist that blindly follows the government and agrees with it in all ways or the fascist that disagrees with the government in any way.

Balkanisation and separatism are incredibly impractical and stupid, but this possibly the worst argument imaginable against them.

[American Legionaries]

It existed in the past because people were patriotic and believed that it deserved to exist. Now that patriotism is at an all time low, I don't see how people will be motivated to keep the US together.

For survival. If the U.S. breaks into smaller countries, it's easy prey for vengeful countries

Personal survival is more valuable than the survival of the state.

[Dixie]

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You missed a few points, but given this is a thread about balkanisation and not the merits of anarcho-syndicalism (lol ) it doesn't really matter, the important thing is you acknowledge that separatism is detrimental regardless of LARPs.

[Southland]

The creation of Serbia was a mistake, and an independent Texas would be the American Serbia.

I know this is an old post, but an independent Texas would be more like an American Pakistan: a state that always teetering on the brink of being a failed country despite having tremendous mineral wealth and a potential for human capital, with constant clashes between the progressive democratic urban areas and the armed theocratic rural areas, and the military/militia ultimately being the ones that have the final say on everything. Oh, and they have nukes.

[Primitive Communism]

There is something painfully ironic about throwing allegations of Fascist enabling toward people who want to dissolve the United States government which just so happens to be single largest enabler of Fascism in America.

There would of course be no Fascists to enable if they were not allowed to organize or spread their ideology or run for office but apparently it is those of us who support the dissolution of the USA - often explicitly because it is a fascistic project with fascistic tendencies which enables fascists and has several fascists in positions of power as we speak - who are apparently "enabling fascism" and not institutions such as law enforcement, the supreme court and congress among whose ranks one can count quite a few fascists.

Because, as I'm sure we all know by now, "some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses". The greatest thing one can do to advance Fascism in America is preserve the Union at any cost.

[Floofybit]

For survival. If the U.S. breaks into smaller countries, it's easy prey for vengeful countries

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

[Major-Tom]

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Depends on the country. I think we can hold our own against Liechtenstein, for example.

[Farnhamia]

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Depends on the country. I think we can hold our own against Liechtenstein, for example.

I just hope the Duchy of Grand Fenwick doesn't get involved.

[Floofybit]

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Depends on the country. I think we can hold our own against Liechtenstein, for example.

Why would they attack us? There is a decent amount of large countries with their eyes on us

[Farnhamia]

Depends on the country. I think we can hold our own against Liechtenstein, for example.

Why would they attack us? There is a decent amount of large countries with their eyes on us

Who is going to sail across the ocean to attack us? The best way to reunite the US would be to attack.

[American Legionaries]

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Civilians die every day in the U.S now.

[Bahrimontagn]

The creation of Serbia was a mistake, and an independent Texas would be the American Serbia.

I know this is an old post, but an independent Texas would be more like an American Pakistan: a state that always teetering on the brink of being a failed country despite having tremendous mineral wealth and a potential for human capital, with constant clashes between the progressive democratic urban areas and the armed theocratic rural areas, and the military/militia ultimately being the ones that have the final say on everything. Oh, and they have nukes.

Not really an accurate description of Texas or Pakistan for that matter but ok.

[Neu California]

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Civilians die every day in the U.S now.

Do you want mass starvation as infrastructure breaks down; large scale violence breaking out as various groups, most of whom do not share your interests, try to assert themselves as the local power; and having nowhere to go if you get into trouble, like say a major medical emergency?

Because you can count me out of that nonsense.

[Floofybit]

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Civilians die every day in the U.S now.

And it will only get worse with war

[American Legionaries]

Civilians die every day in the U.S now.

Do you want mass starvation as infrastructure breaks down; large scale violence breaking out as various groups, most of whom do not share your interests, try to assert themselves as the local power; and having nowhere to go if you get into trouble, like say a major medical emergency?

Because you can count me out of that nonsense.

It depends on rather there are achievable and worthwhile goals on the other side of that tunnel.

[Bienenhalde]

If people living in the US don't like the US in the first place, then what motivation would they have to help it survive?

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Conversely, some people might be suicidal or collaborate with the invaders. And even in the case of people for whom neither condition is true, they still will not necessarily be willing to fight and die to defend the United States.

[Prydania]

Guy with a Russian naval ensign for a flag/avatar wants the US to break apart.

So rote. Try again.

[Bienenhalde]

I am just as worried as other people about the prospect of the US breaking up, but it seems foolish to pretend that it has no chance of happening in the near future. It seems like those people who are so certain the US should stay together should wake up, get their heads out of the sand, and start trying to think of some kind of coherent plan to overcome this country's divisions and convince people to be patriotic again.

[Juansonia]

Apparently, Anarcho-Syndicalists are fascist-enablers.

In this context and your LARP aside, yes.

By that standard, we already live in the Third Reich.

[Floofybit]

They don't want to die. If another country attacks the U.S., civilians will die.

Conversely, some people might be suicidal or collaborate with the invaders. And even in the case of people for whom neither condition is true, they still will not necessarily be willing to fight and die to defend the United States.

And there would be no need for someone to fight for the country, if the country doesn't weaken itself by splitting up.

[Juansonia]

Conversely, some people might be suicidal or collaborate with the invaders. And even in the case of people for whom neither condition is true, they still will not necessarily be willing to fight and die to defend the United States.

And there would be no need for someone to fight for the country, if the country doesn't weaken itself by splitting up.

That's not how it works. Literally every national defense plan depends on people being ready to fight - from the PRC (stable country with large military) to the Vatican(too small to meet nationhood, has a defense force and allies).

[Floofybit]

And there would be no need for someone to fight for the country, if the country doesn't weaken itself by splitting up.

That's not how it works. Literally every national defense plan depends on people being ready to fight - from the PRC (stable country with large military) to the Vatican(too small to meet nationhood, has a defense force and allies).

True, what I'm trying to say is that if the country stays together, there is less chance of war

[Bienenhalde]

Conversely, some people might be suicidal or collaborate with the invaders. And even in the case of people for whom neither condition is true, they still will not necessarily be willing to fight and die to defend the United States.

And there would be no need for someone to fight for the country, if the country doesn't weaken itself by splitting up.

Yes, but if people are determined to secede, the US government might need the military to stop them. So it would be a problem for them if the military cannot find enough recruits.