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Should the US Balkanise?

Yes, completely.
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Yes, but split the states into two nations based on political alignment.
11
5%
Yes, but form a regional organisation similar to the European Union.
30
13%
No.
166
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Total votes : 231

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The Grand Fifth Imperium
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Wed May 17, 2023 7:57 pm

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Disgraceful that Indiana isn’t in the Midwest.

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Postby New Kvenland » Wed May 17, 2023 8:15 pm

I am a supporter of the peaceful and amicable breakup of the States and anyone advising you to the contrary is a deceitful Arizonan.
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Postby Durius » Thu May 18, 2023 4:40 am

The EU focuses on achieving an ever closer union and paving the way for federalization.

Some genius in the US: the US should become a regional organization like the EU.

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Postby Chernobyl and Pripyat » Fri May 19, 2023 3:14 am

Countesia wrote:Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?
This would never happen. If America breaks up, most states would want to join up with like-minded neighbors, as the case was during the Civil War.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri May 19, 2023 4:11 am

You could start by giving back some native lands. Just a couple acres/square meters. You won't even notice it's missing.

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Postby Kernen » Fri May 19, 2023 4:51 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:You could start by giving back some native lands. Just a couple acres/square meters. You won't even notice it's missing.

We can't agree to cede ideological ground to each other, you think we're going to cede actual ground?
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Postby Portzania » Fri May 19, 2023 5:17 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:You could start by giving back some native lands. Just a couple acres/square meters. You won't even notice it's missing.

What happens to people who are half native? Do they get free land? Are they allowed on the lands? How autonomous should native reservation be in the US? I don't know how very autonomous native lands are in the US so I'd like to get some insight from an american.
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Postby Pua Pua » Fri May 19, 2023 6:22 am

Portzania wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:You could start by giving back some native lands. Just a couple acres/square meters. You won't even notice it's missing.

What happens to people who are half native? Do they get free land? Are they allowed on the lands? How autonomous should native reservation be in the US? I don't know how very autonomous native lands are in the US so I'd like to get some insight from an american.

From what I learned at school, at the moment native reservations can generally make their own rules which is why so many profit from casinos. Not exactly the same autonomy you see in states, but more so than local governments usually would have.
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Postby Portzania » Fri May 19, 2023 9:05 am

Pua Pua wrote:
Portzania wrote:What happens to people who are half native? Do they get free land? Are they allowed on the lands? How autonomous should native reservation be in the US? I don't know how very autonomous native lands are in the US so I'd like to get some insight from an american.

From what I learned at school, at the moment native reservations can generally make their own rules which is why so many profit from casinos. Not exactly the same autonomy you see in states, but more so than local governments usually would have.

I see, thanks.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri May 19, 2023 10:55 am

Pua Pua wrote:
Portzania wrote:What happens to people who are half native? Do they get free land? Are they allowed on the lands? How autonomous should native reservation be in the US? I don't know how very autonomous native lands are in the US so I'd like to get some insight from an american.

From what I learned at school, at the moment native reservations can generally make their own rules which is why so many profit from casinos. Not exactly the same autonomy you see in states, but more so than local governments usually would have.

Yes...there's a tribal casino in my area which allows indoor smoking, which is otherwise explicitly forbidden.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 20, 2023 12:29 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

actually, i was radicalized by biden.


Trump radicalized me.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 20, 2023 12:37 pm

No and this idea is just as dumb as every other time its been proposed.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 20, 2023 2:28 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Oh ok. Obama started the hate and the US is better off as 50 countries which will magically start working together.

Why is it NSG has a thing for Civil War 2.0?

actually, i was radicalized by biden.

Same but he turned me into a neocon
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Postby Portzania » Tue May 23, 2023 6:24 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Hispida wrote:actually, i was radicalized by biden.

Same but he turned me into a neocon

Biden turned me into a hyper super bi-fascist with chinese characteristics.
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 23, 2023 6:47 am

Portzania wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Same but he turned me into a neocon

Biden turned me into a hyper super bi-fascist with chinese characteristics.

Biden made me forget my political views and start ad-libbing everything

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Postby Querria » Tue May 23, 2023 6:54 am

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Completely ignored the areas belonging to native American groups.
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Postby Big moist » Tue May 23, 2023 6:55 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Portzania wrote:Biden turned me into a hyper super bi-fascist with chinese characteristics.

Biden made me forget my political views and start ad-libbing everything

Biden turned me into an radical who drinks the marrow of children and use the skulls of my enemies to pour a cup of blood to the blood god.

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Postby Sash Lilac » Tue May 23, 2023 6:57 am

Countesia wrote:



Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised between the Democrat and Republican party to the point very few politicians, even its own populace, have an overlap in beliefs.

Talks of civil war, or the 'Boogaloo' are almost regular conversation among certain groups.

Needless to say, people do not like the federal government unless a politician of their liking is in power. The Trump and Biden administrations have only proven this further. Laws signed by both presidents have been hugely unpopular in red and blue states. Trump's travel bans, transgender military exclusions and Bidens Respect for Marriage Act are two examples of this.

It is safe to say that at any given time at least 50% of the country does not like the federal government.

So why have a federal government? To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes. I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

yes
its time

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Postby Enaia » Tue May 23, 2023 7:00 am

Sash Lilac wrote:
Countesia wrote:



Ever since the Obama administration the United States has become increasingly more polarised between the Democrat and Republican party to the point very few politicians, even its own populace, have an overlap in beliefs.

Talks of civil war, or the 'Boogaloo' are almost regular conversation among certain groups.

Needless to say, people do not like the federal government unless a politician of their liking is in power. The Trump and Biden administrations have only proven this further. Laws signed by both presidents have been hugely unpopular in red and blue states. Trump's travel bans, transgender military exclusions and Bidens Respect for Marriage Act are two examples of this.

It is safe to say that at any given time at least 50% of the country does not like the federal government.

So why have a federal government? To an outsider looking in, all i can see is a politically stagnant nation held back by a deeply divided congress that relies on a party majority to accomplish anything. Any so called 'Bipartisan' bills are normally very lopsided when it comes to votes. I used to be against the idea of a national divorce, now i'm thinking that batshit crazy Marjorie Taylor Greene might have a point as much as that hurts to say.

Would it not be better for each individual state to have complete self determination, NS?

yes
its time

Why would the US balkanize? some states are dependent on the Federal goverment. plus; do you think we will just amalgamate into some EU like polity?

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Postby Bahrimontagn » Tue May 23, 2023 7:23 pm

Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:And remove the American hedgemon from the world?

Our greatest strength is diversity ((as much as I hate to admit)). Nowhere else in the world will you find a Chinese person serving side by side with a person of color and a white man. Nowhere.
We are home to every ethnic group in the world, and there is no reason to Balkanize a state in which we have not instability since the 30’s and of course the entire first half of our history.))


America is an evil.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue May 23, 2023 8:29 pm

Bahrimontagn wrote:
Bayerischer Faschistenstaat wrote:And remove the American hedgemon from the world?

Our greatest strength is diversity ((as much as I hate to admit)). Nowhere else in the world will you find a Chinese person serving side by side with a person of color and a white man. Nowhere.
We are home to every ethnic group in the world, and there is no reason to Balkanize a state in which we have not instability since the 30’s and of course the entire first half of our history.))


America is an evil.

American balkanization is a joke.
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Postby Cachard Calia » Tue May 23, 2023 8:32 pm

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United we fall, divided we fall
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Postby Querria » Tue May 23, 2023 10:14 pm

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Postby Floofybit » Wed May 24, 2023 4:16 am

Cachard Calia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:There cannot be survival without unity

United we fall, divided we fall

So then what do you expect happen?
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Postby Juansonia » Wed May 24, 2023 6:39 am

Floofybit wrote:
Cachard Calia wrote:United we fall, divided we fall
So then what do you expect happen?
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