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Should the US Balkanise?

Yes, completely.
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Yes, but split the states into two nations based on political alignment.
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5%
Yes, but form a regional organisation similar to the European Union.
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13%
No.
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Total votes : 230

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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 16, 2023 2:20 pm

The Aswaltican Imperium wrote:Kosovo is Albanian

All Balkans are Albania. Except for Bosnia, they’re chill enough to keep their stuff.

Edit: to clarify, Greater Romania is a separate continent in my personal definition of the region.
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Postby Bradfordville » Tue May 16, 2023 2:37 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
The Aswaltican Imperium wrote:Kosovo is Albanian

All Balkans are Albania. Except for Bosnia, they’re chill enough to keep their stuff.

Edit: to clarify, Greater Romania is a separate continent in my personal definition of the region.


As someone with some Albanian ancestors (Arbëreshë), I take offense. The entire world is Albanian clay, not just the Balkans.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 16, 2023 2:56 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:>Balkanization

Do people seriously look at 1990s Yugoslavia and think "Yes, this is what I want for my country"?

Honestly, it might be a mix between Yugoslavia and the clusterfuck that were both Chechen wars with regard to the Russian Federation. It's not something wanted, but with no cohesive form of government similar to the New Deal Coalition, and a lack of purpose from being a sole superpower... it's never good for an empire in the long run.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 16, 2023 4:00 pm

Well, it sure seemed to work well for the Balkans, didn't it? If I recall, they enjoyed widespread peace and harmony in the 1990s.

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Postby Benuty » Tue May 16, 2023 4:58 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Well, it sure seemed to work well for the Balkans, didn't it? If I recall, they enjoyed widespread peace and harmony in the 1990s.

I mean we could have a remnant state that turns into the Russian Federation as it was in the 90s and early 2000s. Nothing like committing war crimes to rescue hostages in a theater by pumping fentanyl gas in (killing many of the hostages in the process), and then bringing flamethrowers and tanks to take back a school (killing over 300 people in the process). That time was wild, and I really don't want it happening here.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 16, 2023 5:03 pm

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No thanks i'd rather witness the Second American Civil War as done by Kaiserredux.
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Postby Vikanias » Tue May 16, 2023 5:07 pm

American society is broken, but it won’t Balkanize like Yugoslavia, probably something like the Troubles, no matter red or blue the federal government is still braindead with policies.
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Postby Intaglio » Tue May 16, 2023 5:10 pm

I'm so tired of seeing this same topic over and over. My answer as always is no, no and hell to the no. For one thing, this assumes everybody in a state agrees with each other or is part of the same political party or affiliation, but that's simply not the case. Even in a blue or red state, there are pockets of the other side. The kind of balkanization you speak of would leave those people at the mercy of new unpredictable governments that would not have their best interests in mind. And before someone says "you could just move" picking up your entire life to move to a state where you would not have a job, support system or any assurances is not an option for everyone. People just need to get over themselves.

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Postby Ankuran » Tue May 16, 2023 5:11 pm

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Oof, so I either get consumed by Texas or move a couple miles up the road into SoCal? Talk about a lose-lose.
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 16, 2023 5:14 pm

Necroghastia wrote:

Ok, I know this is an intentionally disgusting-looking troll map, but the names cross the line. The Texas Triangle isn’t even remotely triangular. And Southern California? There’s only one California on the map, so it’s impossible for it to be south relative to another California. If we count the Mexican Californias, which are literally named “Lower California” and “Southern Lower California”, those are both more southern than SoCal/the Southwest.

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Postby Benuty » Tue May 16, 2023 5:21 pm

Vikanias wrote:American society is broken, but it won’t Balkanize like Yugoslavia, probably something like the Troubles, no matter red or blue the federal government is still braindead with policies.

Honestly at what point does this cross the boundary from terror and ideology to outright separatism?
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Postby Kashimura » Tue May 16, 2023 5:24 pm

Forget all the Nays pointing out the obviously correct answer. I say we Balkanize America, then I assume control of Maryland and annex DC! We’re taking it all back! Vote me President of Maryland and I’ll guarantee two guns in every household after I crown myself King Benigno I! I’ll use the Admiralty to establish New America! I’ll use my infinite dominance to subjugate the other 49 states, then we take Canada! Mexico! Greenland! All the Caribbean! And once I’ve accrued enough land to form 200 states,
merge a bunch of states with directional names, grant statehood to American territories, put 200 stars on the flag, abdicate the throne, and pretty much return to pre-balkanized life in the United States of North America. All those annexed former countries can govern themselves too, I guess. I just wanted to put 200 stars on the flag.

But seriously, no. Most of America and I are too lazy to go through all that work. And Balkanizing America would be a lot of work.
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 16, 2023 5:25 pm

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Both from Kremlin propaganda. The above stretches back to the 90s, and the below was only a few years ago.
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Tue May 16, 2023 5:27 pm

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I love how the "Midwest" doesnt even include 3/4 the Midwest, and is, from a Midwesterner (like myself)'s point of view, the West. Here's a better idea:
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue May 16, 2023 5:37 pm

El Lazaro wrote:

Both from Kremlin propaganda. The above stretches back to the 90s, and the below was only a few years ago.

Gotta love those completely-divorced-from-reality scenarios like "the very Protestant Anglo Deep South will become part of very Catholic Hispanic Mexico"...
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 16, 2023 5:49 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:

Both from Kremlin propaganda. The above stretches back to the 90s, and the below was only a few years ago.

Gotta love those completely-divorced-from-reality scenarios like "the very Protestant Anglo Deep South will become part of very Catholic Hispanic Mexico"...


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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 16, 2023 5:50 pm

Benuty wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Well, it sure seemed to work well for the Balkans, didn't it? If I recall, they enjoyed widespread peace and harmony in the 1990s.

I mean we could have a remnant state that turns into the Russian Federation as it was in the 90s and early 2000s. Nothing like committing war crimes to rescue hostages in a theater by pumping fentanyl gas in (killing many of the hostages in the process), and then bringing flamethrowers and tanks to take back a school (killing over 300 people in the process). That time was wild, and I really don't want it happening here.


Yeah that's also suboptimal.

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Postby Kashimura » Tue May 16, 2023 5:52 pm

El Lazaro wrote:

Both from Kremlin propaganda. The above stretches back to the 90s, and the below was only a few years ago.

That bottom map also stretches back to the 90s. Like, the 1790s. Russia wasn’t very imaginative with that one, were they?
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 16, 2023 5:56 pm

Kashimura wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:

Both from Kremlin propaganda. The above stretches back to the 90s, and the below was only a few years ago.

That bottom map also stretches back to the 90s. Like, the 1790s. Russia wasn’t very imaginative with that one, were they?

Yeah, but it lumps in all the territorial changes east of the Mississippi into one country, even though that area makes up the bulk of the US population. Using the extent of the 13 Colonies a few decades before the US was established would at least even out the size of at least one country on the map, although the existence of a weird wedge of land with a population of almost zero (I think, from the 10 total pixels in the image, that the largest population center is Minot with 50k people) is still more questionable.
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