The Fallacy of Centrism

[Cannot think of a name]

It wouldn't kill you to stop exaggerating everything about the GOP.

Literally nothing there is exaggeration

I mean...
Healthcare.
Remove kids from their families.
Denying them their basic identities.
Panic.

Genocide doesn't begin at freight cars.

If anything you under-sold it.

[Neutraligon]

Banning HRT, gerrymandering, pardoning white supremacists, forwarding rhetoric that causes hate and violence, calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status, calling for legalization of lynchings, asking a trans woman what genitals she has, cutting social security and food stamps, opposing workers' rights, criminalizing drag, curtailing abortion, and feeding lies to people like you.

It has been their plan for centuries. Stop. Being. A. Complicit. Liar.

You know you're wrong when you view your opposition as genocidal maniacs.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:


This is the list of what is considered genocide by the UN.

Killing members of the group;

This can be debated considering the scientific fact that gender affirming care and not being harassed by society significantly decreases the rate of suicide among trans individuals.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

This cannot be debated, the stuff that the Republican party are doing is inflicting serious mental harm on trans individuals

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

This also cannot be debated as Republicans have been trying to destroy trans individuals by making it impossible for them to live as the gender they identify as, thus pushing them into suicide.

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Right now this is not happening.

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

This is happening as Republican states have decided that parents allowing transition (which does not necessarily include surgery) for their children is child abuse and thus can have their children taken away.

So...using the above 3 and debatably 4 of what is considered genocide from the Un is currently happening

[Galactic Powers]

Yeah, taking away people's healthcare, taking their children, denying them their very identities, crafting a moral panic over a whole demographic being rapists and kiddy diddlers. Yeah, not genocidal at all

It wouldn't kill yall to be honest for once, you know.

Facts.

You're one of the few sane people here, Necro!

I'm sure I'm one of the other few sane people too...you could argue without being so rude. Now...

Honestly, I wish he had a different term for the treatment of trans people by groups like Republicans. Putting events like the Holocaust and Rwanda in the same category as current actions being taken feels wrong to me.

[EuroStralia]

Literally nothing there is exaggeration

I mean...
Healthcare.
Remove kids from their families.
Denying them their basic identities.
Panic.

Genocide doesn't begin at freight cars.

If anything you under-sold it.

If anything you both are overselling it, while bad, these are not clear genocide.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

Centrism comes in different forms.

One is continuing the status quo; if that is in a country which is taking action to protect environment, then no, they do not oppose environmental protection. Most centrists worldwide support it, alongside most liberal stances, and even social democratic stances in the Nordics.

The other is apoliticism, which is just “I can’t be bothered to get my whole life invested in something which I’ll probably never be able to influence anyway”, which is fair enough. You just want to live life without caring about governments.

[The Pure Russia]

Banning HRT

Banning "sex change therapy" is not something that can be considered genocide, if we do not consider trans people a separate nation, which they are not.

gerrymandering

Just a usual "election magic"; not beautiful, but not genocidal.

pardoning white supremacists

Dirt, yes. Although, the opposite side itself sometimes does a good job of this.

hateful rhetoric

I wouldn't say it's completely undeserved...
And yes, it's not genocide. For the reason from point 1.

calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status

Where's the genocide lol?

calling for legalization of lynchings

Citation needed

asking a trans woman what genitals she has

The difference between a man and a woman is in the chromosomes, the external manifestation of this difference is the genitals.
You may think that sex is something cultural-mental or something like that, but another opinion on this issue is not genocidal.

cutting social security and food stamps

You can call it genocide only in specific circumstances, I don't see them in the USA: they have always been a bourgeois country, so this is just a common thing.

opposing workers' rights

An abomination but not genocidal

criminalizing drag

A ban on "women with beards" is hardly genocidal

curtailing abortion

Gonservative nonsense, but not genocide.

[Ventura Bay]

What a typically-NSG thread.

[Cannot think of a name]

I mean...
Healthcare.
Remove kids from their families.
Denying them their basic identities.
Panic.

Genocide doesn't begin at freight cars.

If anything you under-sold it.

If anything you both are overselling it, while bad, these are not clear genocide.

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

[EuroStralia]

If anything you both are overselling it, while bad, these are not clear genocide.

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

What showers?

[Undemocacy]

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

What showers?

lol

[Austria 2022 RP]

Nah bro Centrism is good, it's just not caring about politics which is chadlike

[Neutraligon]

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

What showers?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... operations

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

What showers?

What were you hoping for with this? Did you think that playing stupid was a winning strategy here? What's your endgame? "Oh, I didn't realize they used showers...well, they totally won't use showers so it's totally not the same!" C'mon man, I'm not playing this stupid game. Do better.

[EuroStralia]

What showers?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... operations

I didn't think your argument would get this outlandish.

[Hispida]

centrism bad /thread

[Terra dei Cittadini]

Facts.

You're one of the few sane people here, Necro!

I'm sure I'm one of the other few sane people too...you could argue without being so rude. Now...

Honestly, I wish he had a different term for the treatment of trans people by groups like Republicans. Putting events like the Holocaust and Rwanda in the same category as current actions being taken feels wrong to me.

Well, there is a term proposed to the UN called "transcide" which describes the actions taken by the GOP against transgender people.

It fits the Republican attack on trans rights, and "gendercide", "femicide", etc. would work for alternative situation as well.

[Neutraligon]

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... operations

I didn't think your argument would get this outlandish.

Maybe pay attention to whom you are speaking. I answered your rather naive question and that is it.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

I didn't think your argument would get this outlandish.

Maybe pay attention to whom you are speaking. I answered your rather naive question and that is it.

In all honesty, perpetrating genocide does not require showers.

Look at the Rwandan Genocide. No showers there, and don't get started on that anticommunist, antisemitic "double genocide" conspiracy...

[EuroStralia]

I didn't think your argument would get this outlandish.

Maybe pay attention to whom you are speaking. I answered your rather naive question and that is it.

I mean it's crazy that you say that the GOP is going to commit genocide with nazi like tactics.

[Galactic Powers]

I'm sure I'm one of the other few sane people too...you could argue without being so rude. Now...

Honestly, I wish he had a different term for the treatment of trans people by groups like Republicans. Putting events like the Holocaust and Rwanda in the same category as current actions being taken feels wrong to me.

Well, there is a term proposed to the UN called "transcide" which describes the actions taken by the GOP against transgender people.

It fits the Republican attack on trans rights, and "gendercide", "femicide", etc. would work for alternative situation as well.

I meant more on the lines of a term to apply to these "early stages" if you want to call it that. Not specifically for trans people, should have clarified. If we start giving specific names for these "genocides" against these groups for each individual group then it kind of gets a little clunky.

Why femicide though? That sounds like genocide against women, not trans people.

[Neutraligon]

Maybe pay attention to whom you are speaking. I answered your rather naive question and that is it.

In all honesty, perpetrating genocide does not require showers.

Look at the Rwandan Genocide. No showers there, and don't get started on that anticommunist, antisemitic "double genocide" conspiracy...

I never said it did. I simply answered the question

Well, you're 'nuh uh' sure cleared things up. I guess we can all relax until the showers start then...

You should take that uncomfortable feeling and address it with the people enacting this shit, not the people identifying where it fits in the patterns of oppression and genocide. We're not going to be coddling you on this subject.

What showers?

[Neutraligon]

Maybe pay attention to whom you are speaking. I answered your rather naive question and that is it.

I mean it's crazy that you say that the GOP is going to commit genocide with nazi like tactics.

They are already committing genocide, they are just not using showers. I already went through what the UN considers genocide one by one explaining which ones the GOP are doing and which they are not.
viewtopic.php?p=40595563#p40595563

We can also go through what academics use as the 10 stages of genocide
1) Classification, people are divided into "them and us". Already reached a long time ago
2) Symbolization, "when combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..."Also long since reached
3) Discrimination, "Law or cultural power excludes groups from full civil rights: segregation or apartheid laws, denial of voting rights". Also long since reached
4) Dehumanization "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases." Yep this has happened as well
5) Organization, "Genocide is always organized... Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." Yep this one is also happening
6) Polarization "Extremists drive the groups apart... Leaders are arrested and murdered... laws erode fundamental civil rights and liberties." Yep so is this one
7) Preparation "Mass killing is planned. Victims are identified and separated" This one has not yet happened
The remaining 3 are Persecution, Extermination, Denial

[Terra dei Cittadini]

I mean it's crazy that you say that the GOP is going to commit genocide with nazi like tactics.

They are already committing genocide, they are just not using showers. I already went through what the UN considers genocide one by one explaining which ones the GOP are doing and which they are not.
viewtopic.php?p=40595563#p40595563

I think Euro is being a troll at this point...

A fascist troll, but a troll nonetheless.

[Betoni]

You know you're wrong when you view your opposition as genocidal maniacs.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:


This is the list of what is considered genocide by the UN.

Killing members of the group;

This can be debated considering the scientific fact that gender affirming care and not being harassed by society significantly decreases the rate of suicide among trans individuals.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

This cannot be debated, the stuff that the Republican party are doing is inflicting serious mental harm on trans individuals

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

This also cannot be debated as Republicans have been trying to destroy trans individuals by making it impossible for them to live as the gender they identify as, thus pushing them into suicide.

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Right now this is not happening.

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

This is happening as Republican states have decided that parents allowing transition (which does not necessarily include surgery) for their children is child abuse and thus can have their children taken away.

So...using the above 3 and debatably 4 of what is considered genocide from the Un is currently happening

lul, wot.

"genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"

Curiously, I seem to be unable to locate gender on the list of groups there.

[Undemocacy]

They are already committing genocide, they are just not using showers. I already went through what the UN considers genocide one by one explaining which ones the GOP are doing and which they are not.
viewtopic.php?p=40595563#p40595563

I think Euro is being a troll at this point...

A fascist troll, but a troll nonetheless.

you can probably report them if you want.