The Fallacy of Centrism

[Greater Qwerty]

No, the government is the one who lowers taxes. However, taxes are a source of money for the government, and the government uses up all of its money. When there’s not enough money to go around, something has to be cut, the government cannot just get a job.

I edited the post.

I will put it to you very simply, as you seem to not understand.

What spending needs to be reduced in order for tax cuts?
Defense, education, healthcare?

[EuroStralia]

I edited the post.

I will put it to you very simply, as you seem to not understand.

What spending needs to be reduced in order for tax cuts?
Defense, education, healthcare?

Any of them, government spending is to high nowadays anyway.

[Picairn]

There are still ways people can make money, tax cuts also help reduce inflation.

This isn't true, tax cuts (provided all else being equal) actually have the opposite effect, since more money in pockets encourages more spending, thus higher aggregate demand --> inflation.

[EuroStralia]

There are still ways people can make money, tax cuts also help reduce inflation.

This isn't true, tax cuts (provided all else being equal) actually have the opposite effect, since more money in pockets encourages more spending, thus higher aggregate demand --> inflation.

It's not the governments fault is people are stupid with their money.

[Greater Qwerty]

I will put it to you very simply, as you seem to not understand.

What spending needs to be reduced in order for tax cuts?
Defense, education, healthcare?

Any of them, government spending is to high nowadays anyway.

Yeah, you kind of need well thought out plans before you karate chop our current economic system.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

It's not the governments fault is people are stupid with their money.

So you think being 'not stupid' with their money means refraining from spending money that they actually have out of altruistic concern for the general state of the economy?

Are you actually that naive?

[EuroStralia]

Any of them, government spending is to high nowadays anyway.

Yeah, you kind of need well thought out plans before you karate chop our current economic system.

Tax cuts are usually thought about.

[Picairn]

Didn't know libertarians wanted to bring back serfdom.

The libertarians will cry that it isn't their intended effect, but it's the de facto result anyway. What else will happen when a group of corporations replaces the state, outside of intense fighting for territory and total control of the occupied areas for maximum profit? Instead of one government, the people are now ruled by multiple warlords.

It's not the governments fault is people are stupid with their money.

It's almost like people crave a lot of things in life, and without consumer spending all businesses will fail.

[EuroStralia]

Didn't know libertarians wanted to bring back serfdom.

The libertarians will cry that it isn't their intended effect, but it's the de facto result anyway. What else will happen when a group of corporations replaces the state, outside of intense fighting for territory and total control of the occupied areas for maximum profit?

Libertarians aren't corporatists.

It's not the governments fault is people are stupid with their money.

It's almost like people crave a lot of things in life, and without consumer spending all businesses will fail.

Man should know how to control his impulses.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Cutting taxpayer-funded public services and letting people buy basic services with their own money has worked out so well for countries that have tried it, that some commentators want to expand this model of privatisation further!

[Picairn]

Libertarians aren't corporatists.

What do you think will happen when corporations are empowered at the expense of the state? They will come together and work as benevolent overlords of the people? Lmao.

[EuroStralia]

Libertarians aren't corporatists.

What do you think will happen when corporations are empowered at the expense of the state? They will come together and work as benevolent overlords of the people? Lmao.

I don't think you understand what libertarianism is.

[Picairn]

I don't think you understand what libertarianism is.

I don't think you know what libertarians advocate for. Deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, all of which would empower corporations at the expense of the state.

[EuroStralia]

I don't think you understand what libertarianism is.

I don't think you know what libertarians advocate for. Deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, all of which would empower corporations at the expense of the state.

Yes, but libertarians don't think that corperations should, they value liberty just as much as you and anyone else.

[Picairn]

Yes, but libertarians don't think that corperations should, they value liberty just as much as you and anyone else.

They can cry that they don't intend for corporations to dominate and ruin everything, but that's functionally the end result of their policies. The world has already suffered under their economic cousin, neoliberalism, and the results were not great for anybody except the corporations and the rich.

[Neu California]

I don't think you know what libertarians advocate for. Deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, all of which would empower corporations at the expense of the state.

Yes, but libertarians don't think that corperations should, they value liberty just as much as you and anyone else.

What should happen and what likely will happen are two different things.

[EuroStralia]

Yes, but libertarians don't think that corperations should, they value liberty just as much as you and anyone else.

The world has already suffered under their economic cousin, neoliberalism, and the results were not great for anybody except the corporations and the rich.

Good, we agree on something.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

"I don't think corporations should have more power. I just happen to support policies that will - 100% guaranteed - increase corporate control over every sphere of human life."

[Incelastan]

Yes, but libertarians don't think that corperations should, they value liberty just as much as you and anyone else.

They can cry that they don't intend for corporations to dominate and ruin everything, but that's functionally the end result of their policies. The world has already suffered under their economic cousin, neoliberalism, and the results were not great for anybody except the corporations and the rich.

Considering that the 1980 Libertarian VP candidate was one of the Koch Brothers, I think that they protest a little too much.

[Picairn]

Good, we agree on something.

Way to dodge the main argument, mate. I won't argue further for someone unwilling to debate in good faith.

[EuroStralia]

Good, we agree on something.

Way to dodge the main argument, mate. I won't argue further for someone unwilling to debate in good faith.

Most libertarians don't anyone opression them, corperation or the government, how is it so hard for you to acknowledge that fact.

[Ancaplstan]

If you unironically define left as "cares about human right" you might aswell stop making any political statements altogether. Litteraly demonizing your political opponents instead of acknowledging, that right and left generally mean different things by "human rights" even if you might disagree with the other interpretations.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

You cannot say "I want everyone to be free of oppression" and expect anyone to take you seriously if the policy proposals you support are not in fact effective at reducing the amount of oppression there is.

[Incelastan]

Way to dodge the main argument, mate. I won't argue further for someone unwilling to debate in good faith.

Most libertarians don't anyone opression them, corperation or the government, how is it so hard for you to acknowledge that fact.

That is what their ideology asserts, yes, but the consequences of their ideology and its inherent policies tend to favor Big Business and Wall Street. As a former libertarian type of Republican, trust me, it took me a good while to face facts, but their policies benefit the mostly the rich, especially when it comes to economics. Their social policies, well, mostly good, but even there, they can go into weird tangents that don't actually help. Their foreign policy is usually good, though.

[Picairn]

Most libertarians don't anyone opression them, corperation or the government, how is it so hard for you to acknowledge that fact.

You are unwilling to acknowledge or even engage with the most basic fact about their policies and the end result they produce. Why should I continue?