The Fallacy of Centrism

[EuroStralia]

The main problem with the poll is that it classifies Republicans as Far-Right, and Right has just opposition to left.

Not just that, but left and far left are also wrong.

Yeah, the far-left isn't known for being "Progressive".

[Undemocacy]

Not just that, but left and far left are also wrong.

Yeah, the far-left isn't known for being "Progressive".

yeah, that's just normal left.

[EuroStralia]

Yeah, the far-left isn't known for being "Progressive".

yeah, that's just normal left.

The far-left can sometimes be just as regressive as the far-right.

[Undemocacy]

yeah, that's just normal left.

The far-left can sometimes be just as regressive as the far-right.

depends on how you define left. If you mean left economically, your absolutely correct. However if you mean socially left, then by definition it can't be regressive (but that's more because of a technicality)

[EuroStralia]

The far-left can sometimes be just as regressive as the far-right.

depends on how you define left. If you mean left economically, your absolutely correct. However if you mean socially left, then by definition it can't be regressive (but that's more because of a technicality)

I define left in this context as economically left.

[Undemocacy]

depends on how you define left. If you mean left economically, your absolutely correct. However if you mean socially left, then by definition it can't be regressive (but that's more because of a technicality)

I define left in this context as economically left.

good, I personally think the usage of left/right in regards to social issues is somewhat odd.
A more accurate term is progressive and conservative (or regressive if its more extreme)

[EuroStralia]

I define left in this context as economically left.

good, I personally think the usage of left/right in regards to social issues is somewhat odd.
A more accurate term is progressive and conservative (or regressive if its more extreme)

I agree, the political spectram would be way more complicated is it was left and right socialy and not econcomicly, an example is that stalinism and feudalism would be on a closer spectram

[Countesia]

Nah this is bullshit. Look at some of the highest ranking nations in terms of HDI and happiness and you'll see they've got something in common.

Centrist governments.

Political extremism will never solve issues on a long term scale solely because it relies on decision making based on emotion instead of pragmatism.

[Of the 2nd Bohemian-Roman CLOSED BORDERS]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

>I learned political history and discussing political ideas from Reddit and Twitter.

The eternal laughably wrong, blatantly biased and contradicting programmed leftist, tragic really.

[Undemocacy]

Nah this is bullshit. Look at some of the highest ranking nations in terms of HDI and happiness and you'll see they've got something in common.

Centrist governments.

Political extremism will never solve issues on a long term scale solely because it relies on decision making based on emotion instead of pragmatism.

The top five countries by HDI are: Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Hong Kong and Australia.
I'd say those are all pretty centrist although Australia is somewhat right leaning (at least that's what it feels like to me as an Aussie).

[EuroStralia]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

Another problem with this argument is that it assumes that centrists agree with taking away peoples rights, which most centrist don't agree with. This whole argument is based on a false leftist idea that centrist are secretly right wingers.

[Undemocacy]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

>I learned political history and discussing political ideas from Reddit and Twitter.

The eternal laughably wrong, blatantly biased and contradicting programmed leftist, tragic really.

you are literally using formatting that originated in 4chan, one of the most biased sites on the internet.

[Countesia]

Nah this is bullshit. Look at some of the highest ranking nations in terms of HDI and happiness and you'll see they've got something in common.

Centrist governments.

Political extremism will never solve issues on a long term scale solely because it relies on decision making based on emotion instead of pragmatism.

The top five countries by HDI are: Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Hong Kong and Australia.
I'd say those are all pretty centrist although Australia is somewhat right leaning (at least that's what it feels like to me as an Aussie).

Go further down that list and my point gets proven even more so. Denmark, Sweden, Ireland, Germany and Netherlands. All governments considered center left or right. The only possible exception is Fianna Fáil, Irelands Nationalist Party. Even then they're pretty progressive.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

WTH is this poll supposed to mean? It is both hilarious and wrong.

The main problem with the poll is that it classifies Republicans as Far-Right, and Right has just opposition to left.

Main problem with the poll is that it classifies leftism as caring about democracy & human rights while rightism is the opposite (thus undemocratic and immoral)

I agree that the far-right could be classified as such, but that is not the right/left divide and is just really biased

[Undemocacy]

The main problem with the poll is that it classifies Republicans as Far-Right, and Right has just opposition to left.

Main problem with the poll is that it classifies leftism as caring about democracy & human rights while rightism is the opposite (thus undemocratic and immoral)

I agree that the far-right could be classified as such, but that is not the right/left divide and is just really biased

I mean, when the American right is banning books and abortion, has attempted to stage a coup, and is being led by people who view the truth and science as little more than an inconvenience. It's an easy mistake to assume that people who support that would agree with it.

[EuroStralia]

Main problem with the poll is that it classifies leftism as caring about democracy & human rights while rightism is the opposite (thus undemocratic and immoral)

I agree that the far-right could be classified as such, but that is not the right/left divide and is just really biased

I mean, when the American right is banning books and abortion, has attempted to stage a coup, and is being led by people who view the truth and science as little more than an inconvenience. It's an easy mistake to assume that people who support that would agree with it.

Books are only being removed from school libraries, for suggestive material.

[Ventura Bay]

I mean, when the American right is banning books and abortion, has attempted to stage a coup, and is being led by people who view the truth and science as little more than an inconvenience. It's an easy mistake to assume that people who support that would agree with it.

Books are only being removed from school libraries, for suggestive material.

They think that children should be exposed to this suggestive material, and that protecting them from this is somehow discriminatory against a certain group.

[Neu California]

I mean, when the American right is banning books and abortion, has attempted to stage a coup, and is being led by people who view the truth and science as little more than an inconvenience. It's an easy mistake to assume that people who support that would agree with it.

Books are only being removed from school libraries, for suggestive material.

From PEN

Overwhelmingly, book banners continue to target stories by and about people of color and LGBTQ+ individuals. In this six-month period, 30% of the unique titles banned are books about race, racism, or feature characters of color. Meanwhile, 26% of unique titles banned have LGBTQ+ characters or themes.

Due to cases where long lists of books are removed for further investigation, bans this school year are increasingly affecting a wider swath of titles, including those that portray violence and abuse (44%), discuss topics of health and wellbeing (38%), and cover death and grief (30%). This illuminates how censorship impacts a wide array of books, particularly as school districts respond to vague legislation by removing large numbers of books prior to any formal review.

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Books are more frequently labeled “pornographic” or “indecent.” Dozens of books were targeted for removal in the 2021-22 school year on the basis that they contained sexual content. But since last summer, this framing has become an increasing focus of activists and politicians to justify removing books that do not remotely fit the well-established legal and colloquial definitions of “pornography.” Rhetoric about “porn in schools” has also been advanced as justification for the passage or introduction of new state laws, some of which would bar any books with sexual content and could easily sweep up a wide swath of literature and health-related content.

For a list, see here, and I challenge you to come up with one good reason to ban the book Antiracist Baby, which was banned by Clay County, Florida, and by all accounts seems harmless. Also, The Art of Racing In The Rain, which was banned in the same county, and in Texas. The latter due to a main character being falsely accused of child molestation (no, seriously),

[EuroStralia]

Books are only being removed from school libraries, for suggestive material.

I challenge you to come up with one good reason to ban the book Antiracist Baby, wgich was banned by Clay County, Florida, and by all accounts seems harmless.

It's a useless book, as it teaches something reasonable people already know.

[Neu California]

I challenge you to come up with one good reason to ban the book Antiracist Baby, wgich was banned by Clay County, Florida, and by all accounts seems harmless.

It's a useless book, as it teaches something reasonable people already know.

And that justifies banning it because?

Also, I added The Art of Racing In The Rain to my previous post. It was banned for one false accusation against a main character in the book of sexually assaulting a minor. Seriously.

[EuroStralia]

It's a useless book, as it teaches something reasonable people already know.

And that justifies banning it because?

Also, I added The Art of Racing In The Rain to my previous post. It was banned for one false accusation against a main character in the book of sexually assaulting a minor. Seriously.

Sexual assult should not be allowed in school libraries.

[Neu California]

And that justifies banning it because?

Also, I added The Art of Racing In The Rain to my previous post. It was banned for one false accusation against a main character in the book of sexually assaulting a minor. Seriously.

Sexual assult should not be allowed in school libraries.

You didn't answer my first question.

And the accusation, while being a major plot point, comes and goes pretty damn quickly. It's not lingered on in any detail.

[Undemocacy]

I mean, when the American right is banning books and abortion, has attempted to stage a coup, and is being led by people who view the truth and science as little more than an inconvenience. It's an easy mistake to assume that people who support that would agree with it.

Books are only being removed from school libraries, for suggestive material.

fun fact! The people who "view the truth as little more than an inconvenience", can lie.
I know that might come as a bit of a surprise as you seem to have not read the rest of my post.

But the book bannings are only one way that the American conservatives are being authoritarian, it is also the only one that can be slightly justified so it's not much of a surprise you ignored the rest.

[EuroStralia]

Sexual assult should not be allowed in school libraries.

You didn't answer my first question.

And the accusation, while being a major plot point, comes and goes pretty damn quickly. It's not lingered on in any detail.

Still a plot point, and shouldn't be allowed in schools with kids.

[Neu California]

You didn't answer my first question.

And the accusation, while being a major plot point, comes and goes pretty damn quickly. It's not lingered on in any detail.

Still a plot point, and shouldn't be allowed in schools.

Again, please answer this question:

It's a useless book, as it teaches something reasonable people already know.

And that justifies banning [Antiracist Baby] because?

Also, your extremism is noted. Can you show any harm that comes from just mentioning such a thing (molestation) in a story? Especially since sexual harm happens every day to children and teens and letting them know what it is, that it's not okay, and how to report it and stop it can only be a good thing (Not talking about Racing In The Rain here, just in general)