The Fallacy of Centrism

[Gorthea]

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.

Then both sides are committing "genocide" against whatever groups their side opposes. And the left isn't necessarily better than the right on human rights.

[Saor Alba]

Overturning Roe and passing a bunch of whacky new anti-LGBT laws is not moderate. That stuff is definitely some right-wing bullshit.

They are certainly not centrist positions, but they are not extreme positions either. Restricting abortion and being against LGBT is just normal conservatism.

[EuroStralia]

As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.

Then both sides are committing "genocide" against whatever groups their side opposes. And the left isn't necessarily better than the right on human rights.

Especialy when you look at leftist regiems throughout history.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Overturning Roe and passing a bunch of whacky new anti-LGBT laws is not moderate. That stuff is definitely some right-wing bullshit.

They are certainly not centrist positions, but they are not extreme positions either. Restricting abortion and being against LGBT is just normal conservatism.

They are being taken to an unhealthy extreme, where states are putting ideological dogma ahead of basic safety and common sense. It's not moderate or normal at all. It's some reactionary fundie shit.

[Necroghastia]

As has been explained countless times, they are absolutely in the process of doing so. Firing the ovens ain't the only way to go about it.

Then both sides are committing "genocide" against whatever groups their side opposes. And the left isn't necessarily better than the right on human rights.

Riiiiiight. Remind me which one is currently trying to take children away from their parents, deny people healthcare, paint an entire demographic as child molesters and use the ensuing moral panic as an excuse to crack down on said demographic, and so on?

[Undemocacy]

Overturning Roe and passing a bunch of whacky new anti-LGBT laws is not moderate. That stuff is definitely some right-wing bullshit.

They are certainly not centrist positions, but they are not extreme positions either. Restricting abortion and being against LGBT is just normal conservatism.

I think this is an example of a similar issue in (a type of) centrism.

when "normal conservatism" is restricting personal freedoms and bodily autonomy, and "normal progressivism" is doing very little to improve conditions, the "centre" of those two positions is still restricting your rights and freedoms.

[EuroStralia]

Then both sides are committing "genocide" against whatever groups their side opposes. And the left isn't necessarily better than the right on human rights.

Riiiiiight. Remind me which one is currently trying to take children away from their parents, deny people healthcare, paint an entire demographic as child molesters and use the ensuing moral panic as an excuse to crack down on said demographic, and so on?

Under Obama many immigrant families were also seperated, it is not a Republicand bad Democrats good issue.

[Undemocacy]

Riiiiiight. Remind me which one is currently trying to take children away from their parents, deny people healthcare, paint an entire demographic as child molesters and use the ensuing moral panic as an excuse to crack down on said demographic, and so on?

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Under Obama many immigrant families were also seperated, it is not a Republicand bad Democrats good issue.

Thank you for pointing out the issue of "centrism" if both sides are authoritarian and right leaning the middle is still going to be less than fantastic.

also, I like your nations name, it sounds like the name Australia would give itself to compete in eurovision. If it wasn't already allowed to compete that is.

[Neu California]

Riiiiiight. Remind me which one is currently trying to take children away from their parents, deny people healthcare, paint an entire demographic as child molesters and use the ensuing moral panic as an excuse to crack down on said demographic, and so on?

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Under Obama many immigrant families were also seperated, it is not a Republicand bad Democrats good issue.

No, that didn't happen under the Obama administration

edit: if NPR isn't good enough for you, how about The AP?

[EuroStralia]

Under Obama many immigrant families were also seperated, it is not a Republicand bad Democrats good issue.

No, that didn't happen under the Obama administration

edit: if NPR isn't good enough for you, how about The AP?

Even so, Obama was a horrible president who wrongly killed innocent people.
Obama still seperated those families.

[Urkennalaid]

I'm going to be honest I would not be surprised if someone in this thread or in the forums would call MLK an extremist unironically and seriously. Not on the fault of the site, just that there's so many people who already say crazy shit and get ignored by everyone, there HAS to be one person out there in NS with that opinion.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I'm going to be honest I would not be surprised if someone in this thread or in the forums would call MLK an extremist unironically and seriously. Not on the fault of the site, just that there's so many people who already say crazy shit and get ignored by everyone, there HAS to be one person out there in NS with that opinion.

MLK has such a mythologised presence in the popular conception of US history that you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that calls him an extremist.

Far easier to present people with some lesser-known MLK quotes without telling them who the quotes come from, because some of those quotes are quite spicy indeed.

[El Lazaro]

No, that didn't happen under the Obama administration

edit: if NPR isn't good enough for you, how about The AP?

Even so, Obama was a horrible president who wrongly killed innocent people.
Obama still seperated those families.

Obama was the last real American patriot (Joe Biden is an Irish nationalist—nothing wrong with that, but it’s foreign) in office, and literally everyone who died when Obama was president completely deserved it, regardless of whether Obama personally killed them or not. Socialistic opinions like yours don’t belong in MY great US of A.

[Urkennalaid]

I'm going to be honest I would not be surprised if someone in this thread or in the forums would call MLK an extremist unironically and seriously. Not on the fault of the site, just that there's so many people who already say crazy shit and get ignored by everyone, there HAS to be one person out there in NS with that opinion.

MLK has such a mythologised presence in the popular conception of US history that you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that calls him an extremist.

Far easier to present people with some lesser-known MLK quotes without telling them who the quotes come from, because some of those quotes are quite spicy indeed.

Nah, sometimes you see SOME right-wingers say how he was really abusive(which was FBI propaganda) and that he was a communist(which is true) but as a BAD thing. they literally heard the one sentence of "I have a dream..." and stopped listening after that. Like unironically I don't think any of them have ever listened to the whole speech. Even later, he had admitted that on some things he was wrong, and recognized you couldn't peacefully protest your way out of segregation.

[Neu California]

No, that didn't happen under the Obama administration

edit: if NPR isn't good enough for you, how about The AP?

Even so, Obama was a horrible president who wrongly killed innocent people.
Obama still seperated those families.

If you check the AP source, there were extremely limited family separations and most of those involved one or both parents being charged with a crime. Far, far fewer than Trump ever did, in any case

And if you're referring to what I think you are with your first sentence, I refuse to defend that aspect of his presidency.

[EuroStralia]

Even so, Obama was a horrible president who wrongly killed innocent people.
Obama still seperated those families.

Obama was the last real American patriot (Joe Biden is an Irish nationalist—nothing wrong with that, but it’s foreign) in office, and literally everyone who died when Obama was president completely deserved it, regardless of whether Obama personally killed them or not.

Anwar al-Awlaki deserved it then.

Socialistic opinions like yours don’t belong in MY great US of A.

That's one I haven't heard before.

[El Lazaro]

Obama was the last real American patriot (Joe Biden is an Irish nationalist—nothing wrong with that, but it’s foreign) in office, and literally everyone who died when Obama was president completely deserved it, regardless of whether Obama personally killed them or not.

Anwar al-Awlaki deserved it then.

Socialistic opinions like yours don’t belong in MY great US of A.

That's one I haven't heard before.

True

[EuroStralia]

Anwar al-Awlaki deserved it then.

That's one I haven't heard before.

True

So you think he deserved to die?

[Saor Alba]

and that he was a communist(which is true) but as a BAD thing.

...so he was an extremist then? I don't know what bubble you live in where being surprised that people think a communist is an extremist is a normal position to hold but the vast majority of people in western countries recognise communism as an extremist ideology.

They are certainly not centrist positions, but they are not extreme positions either. Restricting abortion and being against LGBT is just normal conservatism.

I think this is an example of a similar issue in (a type of) centrism.

when "normal conservatism" is restricting personal freedoms and bodily autonomy, and "normal progressivism" is doing very little to improve conditions, the "centre" of those two positions is still restricting your rights and freedoms.

Restricting peoples rights and freedoms isn't exactly an extreme position to take. The idea that rights and freedoms are not limitless is a position that moderates have always held to.

They are being taken to an unhealthy extreme, where states are putting ideological dogma ahead of basic safety and common sense. It's not moderate or normal at all. It's some reactionary fundie shit.

I agree that the rhetoric and obsession around it is unhealthy, but it isn't reactionary unless the term "reactionary" is made completely synonymous with "conservative".

[El Lazaro]

True

So you think he deserved to die?

What year was it?

[EuroStralia]

So you think he deserved to die?

What year was it?

2010

[El Lazaro]

What year was it?

2010

100, no, 200% absolutely yes. I can say for sure he deserved to die.

[EuroStralia]

2010

100, no, 200% absolutely yes. I can say for sure he deserved to die.

Why?

[Neu California]

and that he was a communist(which is true) but as a BAD thing.

...so he was an extremist then? I don't know what bubble you live in where being surprised that people think a communist is an extremist is a normal position to hold but the vast majority of people in western countries recognise communism as an extremist ideology.

I think this is an example of a similar issue in (a type of) centrism.

when "normal conservatism" is restricting personal freedoms and bodily autonomy, and "normal progressivism" is doing very little to improve conditions, the "centre" of those two positions is still restricting your rights and freedoms.

Restricting peoples rights and freedoms isn't exactly an extreme position to take. The idea that rights and freedoms are not limitless is a position that moderates have always held to.

I think everyone agrees with that, but it's a matter of where to draw the line. For example, most (young US) Progressives draw the line at harming others physically, economically, etc. without such concerns as "muh religion!" and don't demonize those who seek rights (unless the rights they're asking for involve oppressing others, of course)

[Celritannia]

WTH is this poll supposed to mean? It is both hilarious and wrong.

The main problem with the poll is that it classifies Republicans as Far-Right, and Right has just opposition to left.

Not just that, but left and far left are also wrong.