The Fallacy of Centrism

[Thermodolia]

Shit poll is shit

[Thermodolia]

Please tell me how and when the Republicans committed genocide.

Banning HRT, gerrymandering, pardoning white supremacists, forwarding rhetoric that causes hate and violence, calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status, calling for legalization of lynchings, asking a trans woman what genitals she has, cutting social security and food stamps, opposing workers' rights, criminalizing drag, curtailing abortion, and feeding lies to people like you.

It has been their plan for centuries. Stop. Being. A. Complicit. Liar.

None of that is genocidal. Bad policies yes, genocidal no. Major assholes? Sure. But not genocidal assholes.

[Urkennalaid]

Would someone apathetic to politics be centrist?

No.

During the times of Nazi Germany, centrist politicians tried to compromise with Adolf Hitler

This is correct, though there was also collaboration between Nazis and the KPD to weaken the SPD (the largest moderate party) and German democracy. Not sure why you omitted that.

while the German Left was being wiped out from the MOMENT he gained power

All opponents of the regime were targeted from the moment Hitler gained power. The Night of the Long Knives? A persecution largely of dissidents within the party and conservatives.

I mean, yes, the KPD began to turn nationalistic, for which it was criticized heavily for by the communist groups abroad through the world. Also, I think you underestimate how much the Nazis hate the left and communists that it is BAKED into the very pillars of its ideology. The phrase "cultural Marxism" that people like Jordan Peterson say used to be the term "Cultural Bolshevism" which was a conspiracy that the evil communists had the Jews try and take over the world. Psychotic, I know. I mean, Hitler even pushed into the USSR even after his officials warned him not to due to the incoming winter. The Nazis hated the communists, and they hated the Slavs.

[Urkennalaid]

Banning HRT, gerrymandering, pardoning white supremacists, forwarding rhetoric that causes hate and violence, calling out shooting victims on their "legal" status, calling for legalization of lynchings, asking a trans woman what genitals she has, cutting social security and food stamps, opposing workers' rights, criminalizing drag, curtailing abortion, and feeding lies to people like you.

It has been their plan for centuries. Stop. Being. A. Complicit. Liar.

None of that is genocidal. Bad policies yes, genocidal no. Major assholes? Sure. But not genocidal assholes.

Historians and many governments have studied for decades that genocide doesn't just happen right away with gas camps. It begins with otherization, demoralization, propaganda, etc. The Conservatives talk about how the Woke left is trying to groom your kids to be trans. They said the same thing about gay people literally not even a decade ago. Many states have passed laws banning trans healthcare for even adults, trying to push the age higher and higher. Some have said they wanted to eradicate it, like Michael Knowles. Florida, I believe, made it legal for the state to kidnap parents children, if they suspect the child to be trans. Immediately when there was a trans mass shooter, the Right called all trans people evil and violent, and even said that they should restrict access of guns SOLELY for trans people.

I mean, a fucking politician, like an actual US politician retweeted a 4chan post accusing a random trans person of being the fucking Uvalde shooter. Florida passed a law allowing doctors to refuse medical care if it restricts on their beliefs.

Sounds like steps of genocide to me, but hey, what do I know. We should probably ask the historians how famously the first books the Nazis burned were books on trans healthcare, or how the Nazis murdered the first ever trans person to get bottom surgery. I wonder why so many people on the Right say how the Weimar Republic fell due to degeneracy. Hmmmm

[Cook-Out]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

This whole thread is just a bunch of far-left extremists spewing hatred towards anyone who doesn't hold their exact views and calling everything they don't like genocide. This needs to stop.

[Saor Alba]

I mean, yes, the KPD began to turn nationalistic, for which it was criticized heavily for by the communist groups abroad through the world. Also, I think you underestimate how much the Nazis hate the left and communists that it is BAKED into the very pillars of its ideology. The phrase "cultural Marxism" that people like Jordan Peterson say used to be the term "Cultural Bolshevism" which was a conspiracy that the evil communists had the Jews try and take over the world. Psychotic, I know. I mean, Hitler even pushed into the USSR even after his officials warned him not to due to the incoming winter. The Nazis hated the communists, and they hated the Slavs.

A lovely paragraph but it does not change anything I said. You criticised centrists for collaborating with the Nazis but you omitted the fact that the Communists had been collaborating with the Nazis too. They voted in-line with each other 70% of the time before the Nazis took power!

[Syria and Lebanon]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

This whole thread is just a bunch of far-left extremists spewing hatred towards anyone who doesn't hold their exact views and calling everything they don't like genocide. This needs to stop.

It should stop, but it won't. Certain people would rather propagate their ideas as infallible and virtuous, and the ideas of all whom oppose them as bigoted and objectively incorrect.

[Cook-Out]

I mean, yes, the KPD began to turn nationalistic, for which it was criticized heavily for by the communist groups abroad through the world. Also, I think you underestimate how much the Nazis hate the left and communists that it is BAKED into the very pillars of its ideology. The phrase "cultural Marxism" that people like Jordan Peterson say used to be the term "Cultural Bolshevism" which was a conspiracy that the evil communists had the Jews try and take over the world. Psychotic, I know. I mean, Hitler even pushed into the USSR even after his officials warned him not to due to the incoming winter. The Nazis hated the communists, and they hated the Slavs.

A lovely paragraph but it does not change anything I said. You criticised centrists for collaborating with the Nazis but you omitted the fact that the Communists had been collaborating with the Nazis too. They voted in-line with each other 70% of the time before the Nazis took power!

Voted together on what? I don't think that's quite accurate. The Reichstag couldn't do anything when the Communists and Nazis were in there because all they did was shout at each other and sing party songs.

[Necroghastia]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

This whole thread is just a bunch of far-left extremists spewing hatred towards anyone who doesn't hold their exact views and calling everything they don't like genocide. This needs to stop.

There's as much or more people making this exact post.

[Cook-Out]

This whole thread is just a bunch of far-left extremists spewing hatred towards anyone who doesn't hold their exact views and calling everything they don't like genocide. This needs to stop.

There's as much or more people making this exact post.

BECAUSE IT'S TRUE

[Necroghastia]

There's as much or more people making this exact post.

BECAUSE IT'S TRUE

Well, obviously it isn't, because if the thread was nothing but what you claim, there wouldn't any people making that exact same post. Plus, you and I both know that there are very specific actions being decried as genocidal in nature, not "everything they don't like." If anything, this is what needs to stop.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrist

Source?

[Saor Alba]

A lovely paragraph but it does not change anything I said. You criticised centrists for collaborating with the Nazis but you omitted the fact that the Communists had been collaborating with the Nazis too. They voted in-line with each other 70% of the time before the Nazis took power!

Voted together on what? I don't think that's quite accurate. The Reichstag couldn't do anything when the Communists and Nazis were in there because all they did was shout at each other and sing party songs.

Numerous issues, I do not have a complete list but they were largely negative votes against the democratic government. A good example of this anti-democratic collaboration is their joint participation in the 1932 BVG strike in Berlin, or the KPD's endorsement of the Nazi attempt to overturn democratic government in Prussia.

[Syria and Lebanon]

Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrist

Source?

Seeing as how OP couldn't be bothered to post anything of the sort, I doubt that any "sources" proving his claim exist. After all, it's easier to fabricate a lie to stir up nonsensical arguments than it is to conduct a debate of any real merit.

[The North-Western State]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

What the hell are you talking about?

There is a difference between being someone who will let fascists take over because they want gradual change, and a centrist.

A centrist is someone who adheres to a neither left-wing nor right-wing ideology, and generally wants things to stay in the center. Even if you don't think that radical change is necessary, and that, foremost, the system should be reformed, you're reforming it to a centrist system. Fascism, Far-right bullshit, and the like, aren't centrism, so why are you accusing Centrists of supporting those things? The centrist is a CENTRIST. The centrist, therefore, should obviously support human rights, rule of law, and oppose Fascism. Just because they aren't an Anarchist or a Communist doesn't mean that they're a fascist.

Do you want to know what Centrism is? It's anti-extremism. Do you want to know what far-right jerks, fascists, and white supremacists are? Extremists. Jut because you're a centrist doesn't mean that you'll let the state take away all your rights. Because, no, just because something isn't left-wing, that doesn't mean that it's backwards, authoritarian, and regressive. It's a different type of thought.

Just lemme grill man

Ascended from the political compass, this man has.

[Thermodolia]

None of that is genocidal. Bad policies yes, genocidal no. Major assholes? Sure. But not genocidal assholes.

Historians and many governments have studied for decades that genocide doesn't just happen right away with gas camps. It begins with otherization, demoralization, propaganda, etc.

I’m very much aware of what precedes a genocide. I am Jewish after all.

The Conservatives talk about how the Woke left is trying to groom your kids to be trans. They said the same thing about gay people literally not even a decade ago. Many states have passed laws banning trans healthcare for even adults, trying to push the age higher and higher. Some have said they wanted to eradicate it, like Michael Knowles.

While terrible being an asshole does not a genocide make.

Florida, I believe, made it legal for the state to kidnap parents children, if they suspect the child to be trans.

Ya I doubt that.

Immediately when there was a trans mass shooter, the Right called all trans people evil and violent, and even said that they should restrict access of guns SOLELY for trans people.

Not an indication of genocide.

I mean, a fucking politician, like an actual US politician retweeted a 4chan post accusing a random trans person of being the fucking Uvalde shooter. Florida passed a law allowing doctors to refuse medical care if it restricts on their beliefs.

Again bad policies but not genocide.

Sounds like steps of genocide to me, but hey, what do I know.

And it doesn’t seem to be so to me. It can easily transform from bad policies to genocide as that what it seems some of the right seem to be on the road to.

But we aren’t there yet. Though I’d say it’s more accurate that some in the GOP are laying ground work for one.

[Necroghastia]

Florida, I believe, made it legal for the state to kidnap parents children, if they suspect the child to be trans.

Ya I doubt that.

https://newrepublic.com/post/172063/florida-house-bill-allowing-trans-kids-removed-families

[Thermodolia]

Centrism is defined as taking "moderate positions" on issues. However, this is the issue.

Centrists oppose change. They's rather compromise a person's rights than to fight for their liberty. Destroy the planet rather than take action against climate change. Hell, today's genocidal GOP is being praised by centrists; if you laud the GOP's crusade against human rights, progress, and marginalized groups, you're either centrist or rightist.

Also, while a centrist may somewhat support someone's rights, they'd also uphold the institutions that cause inequity. Hence, centrism is a fallacious, complicit conservative ideology.

Overall, centrism is a flawed position due to being a complicit, conservative ideology in disguise.

What the hell are you talking about?

There is a difference between being someone who will let fascists take over because they want gradual change, and a centrist.

A centrist is someone who adheres to a neither left-wing nor right-wing ideology, and generally wants things to stay in the center. Even if you don't think that radical change is necessary, and that, foremost, the system should be reformed, you're reforming it to a centrist system. Fascism, Far-right bullshit, and the like, aren't centrism, so why are you accusing Centrists of supporting those things? The centrist is a CENTRIST. The centrist, therefore, should obviously support human rights, rule of law, and oppose Fascism. Just because they aren't an Anarchist or a Communist doesn't mean that they're a fascist.

Do you want to know what Centrism is? It's anti-extremism. Do you want to know what far-right jerks, fascists, and white supremacists are? Extremists. Jut because you're a centrist doesn't mean that you'll let the state take away all your rights. Because, no, just because something isn't left-wing, that doesn't mean that it's backwards, authoritarian, and regressive. It's a different type of thought.

Just lemme grill man

Ascended from the political compass, this man has.

Pretty much this. Centrism is at its core very much an anti-extremist ideology.

[Rivogna]

Just lemme grill man

^^^ This ^^^

[The Sherpa Empire]

Ya I doubt that.

https://newrepublic.com/post/172063/florida-house-bill-allowing-trans-kids-removed-families

Eww. Bad bill is bad.

Has it actually been signed into law since that article was published? The article says it was still in the legislature.

[Cook-Out]

Voted together on what? I don't think that's quite accurate. The Reichstag couldn't do anything when the Communists and Nazis were in there because all they did was shout at each other and sing party songs.

Numerous issues, I do not have a complete list but they were largely negative votes against the democratic government. A good example of this anti-democratic collaboration is their joint participation in the 1932 BVG strike in Berlin, or the KPD's endorsement of the Nazi attempt to overturn democratic government in Prussia.

This is actually really cool because I'm reading a book on this right now. Their joint participation was a gamble by the Nazis to gain working-class votes since they were rapidly losing votes due to Hitler's refusal to accept any position other than the chancellorship. Other than this, they never worked together and the SA often got into violent clashes with the Communists, with hundreds of injuries and deaths.
As for the second one, I haven't heard of that one. Could you provide a source?

[Necroghastia]

https://newrepublic.com/post/172063/florida-house-bill-allowing-trans-kids-removed-families

Eww. Bad bill is bad.

Has it actually been signed into law since that article was published? The article says it was still in the legislature.

Both the senate and house have passed it, and it is currently awaiting DeSantis's signature, which it will almost certainly get.

[Kubra]

Would someone apathetic to politics be centrist?

Nah, centrism means taking an actual position, a belief of sorts, a weltanschauung.
Not giving a shit about politics is, frankly, a little more forgivable.

[Sultanate of Turkey]

Centrists are usually people who don't care about politics, or doesn't pick a side in politics.


There is no "crusade on human rights" by the GOP.

They are literally coming for freedom of speech,freedom of expression, and bodily sovereignty across the board, but go off I guess.

Conservatives support freedom of speech and expression? Just because you can’t parade in a dress doesn’t mean they are going for genocide.
And because they don’t support your precious abortion - genocide in all but name - doesn’t mean they are regressive and against human rights.

[Sultanate of Turkey]

BECAUSE IT'S TRUE

Well, obviously it isn't, because if the thread was nothing but what you claim, there wouldn't any people making that exact same post. Plus, you and I both know that there are very specific actions being decried as genocidal in nature, not "everything they don't like." If anything, this is what needs to stop.

Source please? Or is just your opinion.