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How easy or difficult should it be to get a divorce?

No fault- either party can exit anytime with no questions asked.
105
71%
At fault- you should need to prove your grievances in court.
36
24%
Other
6
4%
 
Total votes : 147

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Postby Saiwana » Tue May 16, 2023 12:36 pm

Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.


If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.
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Postby Kernen » Tue May 16, 2023 12:46 pm

Saiwana wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.


If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.

Making people prove innocence rather than the state proving guilt is not a good way to ensure people are satisfied with your oppression.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 16, 2023 12:50 pm

Saiwana wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.


If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.

A smart despot like Palpatine.

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Postby Incelastan » Tue May 16, 2023 12:51 pm

Kernen wrote:
Saiwana wrote:
If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.

Making people prove innocence rather than the state proving guilt is not a good way to ensure people are satisfied with your oppression.


Yes, I'm against weakening due process, no matter who does it or who it is against. Period. Don't weaken due process for any reason.
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Postby Gaybeans » Tue May 16, 2023 12:54 pm

Sometimes you just fall out of love. I don't see why the heck you should be stuck with someone you don't love anymore. It's a miserable situation.

Divorce is a great thing.
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Postby Dazchan » Tue May 16, 2023 1:33 pm

Floofybit wrote:Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

Dazchan wrote: Why should someone be forced into a relationship without consent?
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Postby Xind » Tue May 16, 2023 2:29 pm

Saiwana wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.


If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.


Plalpatine was overthrow because people were dissatisfied with his rule. Did you even watch the movies?

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 16, 2023 4:01 pm

Yeah OP, after reading the Steven Crowder story, one thing is clear. That dude is definitely at fault lmao. I'm glad his ex-wife has the sense to escape that toxic relationship with a babbling man-child.

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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 16, 2023 6:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

And I would be for an armed revolution against any government trying to enforce it

The government would make sure you don't have guns.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 16, 2023 6:11 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

How would you even prosecute that?

Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue May 16, 2023 6:18 pm

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Postby Bombadil » Tue May 16, 2023 6:19 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Ors Might wrote:How would you even prosecute that?

Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have


What kind of a totalitarian state are you proposing here?
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 16, 2023 6:20 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Ors Might wrote:How would you even prosecute that?

Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have

How many people are you going to have doing nothing but watch endless security feeds, again?
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue May 16, 2023 6:41 pm

Bombadil wrote:What kind of a totalitarian state are you proposing here?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 16, 2023 6:45 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have


What kind of a totalitarian state are you proposing here?


One with a lot of fiber optic cabling
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 16, 2023 6:47 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have

How many people are you going to have doing nothing but watch endless security feeds, again?

Genius idea, become a security camera monitor for the evil government and have sex on the job.

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Postby Intaglio » Tue May 16, 2023 6:51 pm

Gotta lol at Crowder railing against divorce just because his wife is leaving him. I really hope conservatives don't add divorce to their culture war antics; we have enough to deal with already. I support no fault divorce; it's nobody's business if you want to stay married or not. Ironically, no fault divorce was actually introduced by Ronald Reagan, who was very much a conservative and once he introduced it in California as governor, it spread all over the country.

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Postby Orcuo » Tue May 16, 2023 6:54 pm

Long and healthy marriages should obviously be encouraged, but at the same time, people should be able to leave a marriage at any time they so choose.
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Postby Barfleur » Tue May 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Constant monitoring of security footage. People would be able to see who has licenses and monitor who has kids they shouldn't have


What kind of a totalitarian state are you proposing here?

I feel like once you ban consensual adult sex and require licensing to perform a biological function essential to the continuation of the species, covering every square inch with cameras isn't even the most totalitarian part. Which is quite something when you think about it, because that alone is extremely totalitarian.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue May 16, 2023 7:50 pm

Intaglio wrote:Gotta lol at Crowder railing against divorce just because his wife is leaving him. I really hope conservatives don't add divorce to their culture war antics; we have enough to deal with already. I support no fault divorce; it's nobody's business if you want to stay married or not. Ironically, no fault divorce was actually introduced by Ronald Reagan, who was very much a conservative and once he introduced it in California as governor, it spread all over the country.


Lauren Boebert has just filed for divorce so I think we're safe for now..
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Postby Incelastan » Tue May 16, 2023 8:04 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Intaglio wrote:Gotta lol at Crowder railing against divorce just because his wife is leaving him. I really hope conservatives don't add divorce to their culture war antics; we have enough to deal with already. I support no fault divorce; it's nobody's business if you want to stay married or not. Ironically, no fault divorce was actually introduced by Ronald Reagan, who was very much a conservative and once he introduced it in California as governor, it spread all over the country.


Lauren Boebert has just filed for divorce so I think we're safe for now..


Lauren Boebert's husband: Free at last, free at last!

All jokes aside, funny how the self-appointed "guardians of virtue" never seem to embody their own morals.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue May 16, 2023 8:18 pm

Incelastan wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Lauren Boebert has just filed for divorce so I think we're safe for now..


Lauren Boebert's husband: Free at last, free at last!

All jokes aside, funny how the self-appointed "guardians of virtue" never seem to embody their own morals.


How dare you call their values into question..

Controversial conspiracy congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene cheated on her husband with a polyamorous tantric sex guru.

Then after ending her affair with him, the mom-of-three moved on to a gym manager behind her husband's back.


Their divorce was finalised in 2022.
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Postby Italia Suprema » Tue May 16, 2023 8:21 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Incelastan wrote:
Lauren Boebert's husband: Free at last, free at last!

All jokes aside, funny how the self-appointed "guardians of virtue" never seem to embody their own morals.


How dare you call their values into question..

Controversial conspiracy congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene cheated on her husband with a polyamorous tantric sex guru.

Then after ending her affair with him, the mom-of-three moved on to a gym manager behind her husband's back.


Their divorce was finalised in 2022.


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Postby Adamede » Tue May 16, 2023 8:49 pm

Floofybit wrote:Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

As a child of a failed marriage, being raised in disfunctional family isn't ideal.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 16, 2023 9:07 pm

I believe in in no-fault divorce but I don't really know if I believe in marriage. Like what the fuck even is a marriage except a legal barrier to dissolution of a relationship? If we're starting from the position that a relationship should be dissolved when at least one of the parties isn't about it then what is there any legitimate significance to being married? "We're together until we don't want to be" is any relationship, doesn't really have the same ring as "till death do us part."
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