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Midvony
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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 10:50 am

Terminus Station wrote:
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Banning something you disagree with is fascism... You are the fascists.


its almost like tolerance is a social contract that if you break you will not be tolerated. :roll:

So you're trying to justify censoring the media. You know who else censors the media? Fascists.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 10:50 am

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Port Caverton wrote:I'm Canadian and personally I think that this is bad


k, make your case to parliament and get signatories. We have a system for this sort of thing. If enough people think you're right, democracy will choose your side.

I'd prefer an US backed coup that ousts Trudeau
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Postby Nobilis Ashevilla » Sat May 13, 2023 10:50 am

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Nobilis Ashevilla wrote:What is hateful about words? They don't kill anyone. When has a line been said, and instantaneously people start dropping dead? It only becomes violent when someone physically goes out of their way to cause harm to another person. Otherwise, you have no right to censor them when they are just being edgelords and will have been mocked most of the time by the majority.

Yet, of course, you will try to refute this and insist that you must turn your country into a totalitarian hellscape just because somebody said some mean words or made a mean joke.

So please continue throwing this label at me with having a "persecution complex" I find it hilarious as you have no legs to stand on when it comes to arguing against the importance of upholding free speech, even for those you and I disagree with.


boo hoo, my fellow Canadians voted for it and will protest if it has unintended overreach. Because we're smart enough to know the difference between hate speech like Nazis telling people to kill the Jews and free speech like someone calling our PM a turd sandwich. Im sorry people in your country cant tell the difference. :rofl:

I'm sorry that you are continuing to pretend that I never said "Advocating for violence is bad" It's sad.

Anyways, censorship only destroys a democracy, but I get that people nowadays like to live in some fantasy that silencing the opposition is what makes a healthy democracy. It's fascinating to watch the cognitive dissonance play out. :lol2:
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 10:50 am

Midvony wrote:
Terminus Station wrote:
its almost like tolerance is a social contract that if you break you will not be tolerated. :roll:

So you're trying to justify censoring the media. You know who else censors the media? Fascists.

And Dwight D. Eisenhower's government.

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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 10:51 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Midvony wrote:So you're trying to justify censoring the media. You know who else censors the media? Fascists.

And Dwight D. Eisenhower's government.

What?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 10:52 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And Dwight D. Eisenhower's government.

What?

Oh I'm sorry, it was Woodrow Wilson's, and FDR's governments.
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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 10:53 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Midvony wrote:What?

Oh I'm sorry, it was Woodrow Wilson's government.

That was over 100 years ago and lasted for 2 years. :eyebrow:

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 10:55 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Oh I'm sorry, it was Woodrow Wilson's government.

That was over 100 years ago and lasted for 2 years. :eyebrow:

And the Smith Act? And the chilling effect spawned by the entire War on Terror?

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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 10:57 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Midvony wrote:That was over 100 years ago and lasted for 2 years. :eyebrow:

And the Smith Act? And the chilling effect spawned by the entire War on Terror?

You added the part about the Smith Act after I made the response. Still over 80 years ago. I don't see how it is relevant at all.

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Postby American Legionaries » Sat May 13, 2023 10:57 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Midvony wrote:That was over 100 years ago and lasted for 2 years. :eyebrow:

And the Smith Act? And the chilling effect spawned by the entire War on Terror?


The Smith Act being bad, and the current issue at hand being bad are not mutually exclusive things.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:00 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And the Smith Act? And the chilling effect spawned by the entire War on Terror?


The Smith Act being bad, and the current issue at hand being bad are not mutually exclusive things.

Herr Midvony cannot stand there and deride Fascists for censorship (one of their least crimes in comparison) when his own government proposes burning books the Nazis burned.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 11:01 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The Smith Act being bad, and the current issue at hand being bad are not mutually exclusive things.

Herr Midvony cannot stand there and deride Fascists for censorship (one of their least crimes in comparison) when his own government proposes burning books the Nazis burned.

We are talking about Canada here.
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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 11:02 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The Smith Act being bad, and the current issue at hand being bad are not mutually exclusive things.

Herr Midvony cannot stand there and deride Fascists for censorship (one of their least crimes in comparison) when his own government proposes burning books the Nazis burned.

Just because someone in the US government suggested something doesn't mean anything. Again what Canada is doing is still fascist whether other people do it or not.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 13, 2023 11:04 am

Nobilis Ashevilla wrote:
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lol having regulation standards is how we fight against bigotry, go take your persecution complex somewhere else. We've seen what happens in America when you don't stand up to hate speech.

What is hateful about words? They don't kill anyone. When has a line been said, and instantaneously people start dropping dead? It only becomes violent when someone physically goes out of their way to cause harm to another person. Otherwise, you have no right to censor them when they are just being edgelords and will have been mocked most of the time by the majority.

Yet, of course, you will try to refute this and insist that you must turn your country into a totalitarian hellscape just because somebody said some mean words or made a mean joke.

So please continue throwing this label at me with having a "persecution complex" I find it hilarious as you have no legs to stand on when it comes to arguing against the importance of upholding free speech, even for those you and I disagree with.


-looks at all the places that got bomb threats just because LibsOfTikTok used words-
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:05 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Herr Midvony cannot stand there and deride Fascists for censorship (one of their least crimes in comparison) when his own government proposes burning books the Nazis burned.

We are talking about Canada here.

And Fox News, and why American legislators are going for "Entartete Kunst" because of Fox News.

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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 11:06 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:We are talking about Canada here.

And Fox News, and why American legislators are going for "Entartete Kunst" because of Fox News.

This is about Canada, not the US.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 11:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Nobilis Ashevilla wrote:What is hateful about words? They don't kill anyone. When has a line been said, and instantaneously people start dropping dead? It only becomes violent when someone physically goes out of their way to cause harm to another person. Otherwise, you have no right to censor them when they are just being edgelords and will have been mocked most of the time by the majority.

Yet, of course, you will try to refute this and insist that you must turn your country into a totalitarian hellscape just because somebody said some mean words or made a mean joke.

So please continue throwing this label at me with having a "persecution complex" I find it hilarious as you have no legs to stand on when it comes to arguing against the importance of upholding free speech, even for those you and I disagree with.


-looks at all the places that got bomb threats just because LibsOfTikTok used words-

Bomb threats should be stopped but that doesn't mean we should ban media we dislike
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:07 am

Midvony wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And Fox News, and why American legislators are going for "Entartete Kunst" because of Fox News.

This is about Canada, not the US.

This position, if it can be called a position, is insensible, childish and ignorant of why Canada is ejecting the American equivalent of Russia Today.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 11:07 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:We are talking about Canada here.

And Fox News, and why American legislators are going for "Entartete Kunst" because of Fox News.

Do Republicans live rent free in your head? We are talking about Fox News in Canada.
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Postby Midvony » Sat May 13, 2023 11:08 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Midvony wrote:This is about Canada, not the US.

This position, if it can be called a position, is insensible, childish and ignorant of why Canada is ejecting the American equivalent of Russia Today.

What Canada is doing is banning media it dislikes, it is still fascism whether you support it or not.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:08 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And Fox News, and why American legislators are going for "Entartete Kunst" because of Fox News.

Do Republicans live rent free in your head? We are talking about Fox News in Canada.

Which is getting ejected because of what they are doing in the lower 48 States.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 11:10 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Do Republicans live rent free in your head? We are talking about Fox News in Canada.

Which is getting ejected because of what they are doing in the lower 48 States.

Just because they're right-wing populist doesn't mean that they should be banned. Otherwise that also means canning the People's Party of Canada
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:11 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Which is getting ejected because of what they are doing in the lower 48 States.

Just because they're right-wing populist doesn't mean that they should be banned. Otherwise that also means canning the People's Party of Canada

Do you lot just listen to Dimitri Peskov on Russia Today these days?

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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 13, 2023 11:11 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-looks at all the places that got bomb threats just because LibsOfTikTok used words-

Bomb threats should be stopped but that doesn't mean we should ban media we dislike


And when has offering a platform to hate preachers ever worked to stop the hate they preach?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 11:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Bomb threats should be stopped but that doesn't mean we should ban media we dislike


And when has offering a platform to hate preachers ever worked to stop the hate they preach?

Banning Daesh's newspaper or whatever prevented ISIS associates from driving trucks into people in Nice, like duh... <.>

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