Fox News could soon be banned from Canadian cable

[Juansonia]

FOX is not news; it is fascist, Kremlin news that is used to brainwash people like the GOP.

While FOX isn't news (they argued such), it's not Fascist, It's right-wing populist. It isn't Kremlin-affiliated. It doens't brainwash, it radicalises.

[Necroghastia]

Werre they? Or was it because they got radicalised that they became willing to kill?

Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.

Really? You don't think that spreading lies about a group of people being child molesters and rapists, that they are Satanists looking to convert your children and destroy your way of life, could radicalize someone?

[Port Caverton]

Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.

Really? You don't think that spreading lies about a group of people being child molesters and rapists, that they are Satanists looking to convert your children and destroy your way of life, could radicalize someone?

Those people already believe that.

[Necroghastia]

Really? You don't think that spreading lies about a group of people being child molesters and rapists, that they are Satanists looking to convert your children and destroy your way of life, could radicalize someone?

Those people already believe that.

Source?

[Port Caverton]

Those people already believe that.

Source?

I made it up lol

[Necroghastia]

Source?

I made it up lol

Well, at least you admitted it.

[Cannot think of a name]

Really? You don't think that spreading lies about a group of people being child molesters and rapists, that they are Satanists looking to convert your children and destroy your way of life, could radicalize someone?

Those people already believe that.

You keep saying this like it matters. Or in fact is true. Some people already believe those things. Others are introduced to those ideas which are also legitimized via a nominal major news network. And there's a vast, vast difference between someone stewing in their corner about how 'those' people are child molesters and rapists and a major news network echoing those views and giving them voice and again legitimacy. Now not only have you 'mainstreamed' extremist ideologies, but you've given them a rally point and a banner under which they can organize.

Anyone who grew up in the internet age has seen this phenomenon range from extremists to people who like to wear animal costumes when they fuck, so this feeble and desperate "but they already believed that" just comes off as disingenuous. You fucking know better, knock it off.

[Adamede]

Couldn’t have happened to better people.

[Vikanias]

What is hateful about words? They don't kill anyone. When has a line been said, and instantaneously people start dropping dead? It only becomes violent when someone physically goes out of their way to cause harm to another person. Otherwise, you have no right to censor them when they are just being edgelords and will have been mocked most of the time by the majority.

Yet, of course, you will try to refute this and insist that you must turn your country into a totalitarian hellscape just because somebody said some mean words or made a mean joke.

So please continue throwing this label at me with having a "persecution complex" I find it hilarious as you have no legs to stand on when it comes to arguing against the importance of upholding free speech, even for those you and I disagree with.

boo hoo, my fellow Canadians voted for it and will protest if it has unintended overreach. Because we're smart enough to know the difference between hate speech like Nazis telling people to kill the Jews and free speech like someone calling our PM a turd sandwich. Im sorry people in your country cant tell the difference.

I am a Fellow Canadian, and I disagree, FOX shouldn’t be banned, yeah they can be bat shit at times but that doesn’t we should ban it, and why say that we Canadians are smart enough to do that and the Americans the exact opposite? Seems a little misinformed to me.

And yes, Justin Trudeau is a Turd Sandwich.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The federal agency tasked with regulating Canada’s broadcasting and television services is mulling a ban on Fox News from Canadian cable packages.

The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is seeking public comments on whether to remove the right-wing network from its list of stations authorized for distribution in Canada.

The CRTC’s consultation process, running until June 2, follows an open letter issued by the LGBTQ advocacy group Egale Canada, which argued the American channel promotes “hatred and violence against 2SLGBTQI communities.”

The April letter, which called on the federal agency to initiate a public hearing on the issue, came after the Toronto-based organization was featured on Fox News’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

Egale Canada said the program’s now former host, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson, made “false and horrifying claims” about individuals who are Two-Spirit, transgender, non-binary and gender nonconforming.

“During the segment, Carlson made the inflammatory and false claim that trans people are ‘targeting’ Christians. To position trans people in existential opposition to Christianity is an incitement of violence against trans people that is plain to any viewer,” read the letter, signed by Egale Canada executive director Helen Kennedy and addressed to Vicky Eatrides, chairperson and CEO of the CRTC.

“This programming is in clear violation of Canadian broadcasting standards and has no place on Canadian broadcasting networks.”

Neither Fox News nor Tucker Carlson immediately responded to the Star’s request for comment.

To this I say good. Hateful media losing another audience is fine by me, and more body blows to this awful, anti-LGBT network can only help weaken its influence further.

But what say you NSG? Would the CRTC be doing the right thing by banning Fox News for incitement of violence (never mind the lies that they told and were confirmed as lies by the court)? If not, what other measures should the regulatory authority pursue if any, to keep the network from spewing such hate?

In this day and age, they wouldn't really lose the Canadian audience. The internet would provide.

[Cook-Out]

I think that this is an awful move on Canada's part, but not surprised since they clearly have no regard for freedom of speech, considering things they have done in the past. Also, Tucker isn't even on the network anymore. I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to trans ideals "violence".

[Necroghastia]

I think that this is an awful move on Canada's part, but not surprised since they clearly have no regard for freedom of speech, considering things they have done in the past. Also, Tucker isn't even on the network anymore. I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to trans ideals "violence".

I do love these types of sentences...

I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to Jewish ideals "violence".

I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to Black ideals "violence".

Do you understand why this is a bad argument?

[Jellian Federation]

RT is being banned in democracies so it would only make sense to follow suit with fox.

[New Zoigai]

I don't see how this changes anything. Fox will continue to pull in millions of views. Just not from Canadians who have their own country to worry about. Even if the Canadians don't have anything better to do, there are other news networks like CNN. Plus google is still free, so you can just look up Fox News articles, and watch their highlights on youtube.

[Luziyca]

As someone who did their patriotic duty and submitted a comment to the CRTC on the matter (on account of being a Canadian citizen), banning FOX News can only be good for us, because the rhetoric that FOX News spreads into the world doesn't just exist in a vacuum, but it does harm to minorities because the Canadian far-right take their inspiration from what FOX News is spewing forth.

Plus, given that former host Tucker Carlson has called for the American military to "liberate Canada" in early 2022, I feel that FOX News is actually a threat to Canadian national security, and if allowed to remain on Canadian cable packages, would only help destabilize Canada: we already have had significant amounts of American money go into the "Freedom" convoy in January/February 2022, what's to have FOX News promote more dangerous rhetoric that endanger our sovereignty?

[Page]

I wish every human being on the planet would each independently come to the conclusion that Fox News is fash propaganda and should not be unironically consumed by anybody.

But I am appalled by the notion of the government censoring it, just as I was appalled by the banning of RT. Both Fox and RT are fash propagandists and grifters but I don't need Daddy State to protect me from them. If I want to bear witness to their bullshit, it is my right to bear witness.

[Cook-Out]

I think that this is an awful move on Canada's part, but not surprised since they clearly have no regard for freedom of speech, considering things they have done in the past. Also, Tucker isn't even on the network anymore. I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to trans ideals "violence".

I do love these types of sentences...

I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to Jewish ideals "violence".

I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to Black ideals "violence".

Do you understand why this is a bad argument?

Ok sis. I'm not a racist or an antisemite. There is a difference between being a certain race or a certain ethnicity and being transgender. Being a certain race/ethnicity does not require a certain procedure or a conscious choice to be able to conform to it. Also even if someone were to say that about black or Jewish people, that still isn't violence, that's just racism. And racism, as long as it doesn't incite violence, is still free speech.

[Vassenor]

I do love these types of sentences...


Do you understand why this is a bad argument?

Ok sis. I'm not a racist or an antisemite. There is a difference between being a certain race or a certain ethnicity and being transgender. Being a certain race/ethnicity does not require a certain procedure or a conscious choice to be able to conform to it. Also even if someone were to say that about black or Jewish people, that still isn't violence, that's just racism. And racism, as long as it doesn't incite violence, is still free speech.

-looks at all the places being sent bomb threats and people being harassed out of their jobs because of LOTT and other transphobic pulpits-

[Cook-Out]

-looks at all the places being sent bomb threats and people being harassed out of their jobs because of LOTT and other transphobic pulpits-

I doubt that there is a direct connection. And haven't we seen so many instances (more recently) where people who don't support the transgender community are fired from their jobs or harassed? Look at Piers. Heck, look at what we are talking about right now, an entire news organization potentially being banned in Canada!

[Necroghastia]

I do love these types of sentences...


Do you understand why this is a bad argument?

Ok sis. I'm not a racist or an antisemite. There is a difference between being a certain race or a certain ethnicity and being transgender. Being a certain race/ethnicity does not require a certain procedure or a conscious choice to be able to conform to it.

Same thing with being trans. Hell, religion requires even more of a conscious choice (and, arguably, procedure), and that's obviously a protected class.

Also even if someone were to say that about black or Jewish people, that still isn't violence, that's just racism. And racism, as long as it doesn't incite violence, is still free speech.

So, if one were to, say, fill their news show with promoting the idea that blood libel is a thing, that wouldn't be violent in any way? At what point does something become violent? "These people are all pedophiles and rapists who are trying to literally destroy the country and groom your children, and something needs to be done" is not violent just because it's not explicitly calling for bloodshed, despite being a blatant and baseless attack on a group of people just trying to live their lives? Despite the people saying this knowing precisely what flames they are stoking?

-looks at all the places being sent bomb threats and people being harassed out of their jobs because of LOTT and other transphobic pulpits-

I doubt that there is a direct connection. And haven't we seen so many instances (more recently) where people who don't support the transgender community are fired from their jobs or harassed? Look at Piers. Heck, look at what we are talking about right now, an entire news organization potentially being banned in Canada!

Again, replace "trans" with black or gay or Jewish and you can see how dumb that argument is. Really? Being fired? I don't know why in the world a business would ever want to distance themselves from association with bigotry. That deeeefinitely makes no sense at allllllll.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I think we all understand that it is entirely possible to be extremely vulgar and violent without being explicit about it by virtue of posting on NS...
How this connection is not made with regards to Fox News's enablement is beyond me.

[Kiraina]

It is authoritarian i thought you people didn't like fascism

Depriving bigotry of a platform is not authoritarian

[Kiraina]

I think that this is an awful move on Canada's part, but not surprised since they clearly have no regard for freedom of speech, considering things they have done in the past. Also, Tucker isn't even on the network anymore. I feel like there is a big problem today with people calling any sort of opposition to trans ideals "violence".

The sheer stupidity of the statement is making my brain cells disintegrate

[Vassenor]

-looks at all the places being sent bomb threats and people being harassed out of their jobs because of LOTT and other transphobic pulpits-

I doubt that there is a direct connection. And haven't we seen so many instances (more recently) where people who don't support the transgender community are fired from their jobs or harassed? Look at Piers. Heck, look at what we are talking about right now, an entire news organization potentially being banned in Canada!

Because they didn't support trans people or because of how they went about expressing that?

And let's dig into the literature.

Woman arrested over bomb threat to children’s hospital targeted after anti-trans smear campaign

A woman has been charged with making a false bomb threat which resulted in a children’s hospital being forced into lockdown.

Catherine Leavy, 37, was arrested at her home in Westfield, Massachusetts, in relation to the bomb threat which targeted Boston Children’s Hospital on 30 August.

The threat came as the hospital received a barrage of harassment over misinformation regarding its gender-affirming care for trans youths.

[...]

It came shortly after right-wing social media account Libs of TikTok sharing a post falsely claiming that the hospital was offering “gender-affirming hysterectomies for young girls”. The hospital confirmed gender-affirming surgeries are not offered to under-18s.

But clearly just a coincidence.

Children’s hospital targeted after Libs of TikTok spreads anti-trans ‘misinformation’… again

It was a news story about the hospital providing gender-affirming care, shared by right-wing social media accounts – including Libs of TikTok – that reportedly resulted in the provider being attacked online.

Clearly just a coincidence though.

Teacher targeted by Libs of TikTok sent death threats and lost his job: ‘I was accused of grooming’

While conservatives rush to defend Raichik, echoing her claims of “doxxing”, Libs of TikTok itself prompted real-world consequences for its targets, who are often LGBT+ people or teachers.

One former English teacher, Tyler Wrynn, told Lorenz for her piece that he had been harassed, sent death threats and eventually fired after one of his TikToks about supporting LGBT+ kids was posted by Raichik.

But that's also clearly just a coincidence.

[Cook-Out]

I doubt that there is a direct connection. And haven't we seen so many instances (more recently) where people who don't support the transgender community are fired from their jobs or harassed? Look at Piers. Heck, look at what we are talking about right now, an entire news organization potentially being banned in Canada!

Because they didn't support trans people or because of how they went about expressing that?

And let's dig into the literature.

Woman arrested over bomb threat to children’s hospital targeted after anti-trans smear campaign

A woman has been charged with making a false bomb threat which resulted in a children’s hospital being forced into lockdown.

Catherine Leavy, 37, was arrested at her home in Westfield, Massachusetts, in relation to the bomb threat which targeted Boston Children’s Hospital on 30 August.

The threat came as the hospital received a barrage of harassment over misinformation regarding its gender-affirming care for trans youths.

[...]

It came shortly after right-wing social media account Libs of TikTok sharing a post falsely claiming that the hospital was offering “gender-affirming hysterectomies for young girls”. The hospital confirmed gender-affirming surgeries are not offered to under-18s.

But clearly just a coincidence.

Children’s hospital targeted after Libs of TikTok spreads anti-trans ‘misinformation’… again

It was a news story about the hospital providing gender-affirming care, shared by right-wing social media accounts – including Libs of TikTok – that reportedly resulted in the provider being attacked online.

Clearly just a coincidence though.

Teacher targeted by Libs of TikTok sent death threats and lost his job: ‘I was accused of grooming’

While conservatives rush to defend Raichik, echoing her claims of “doxxing”, Libs of TikTok itself prompted real-world consequences for its targets, who are often LGBT+ people or teachers.

One former English teacher, Tyler Wrynn, told Lorenz for her piece that he had been harassed, sent death threats and eventually fired after one of his TikToks about supporting LGBT+ kids was posted by Raichik.

But that's also clearly just a coincidence.

My bad, I was not aware that LOTT stood for libs of tiktok, so you are correct in saying that LOTT has led to people losing their jobs etc. However, the videos themselves do not call for violence, it was just a couple of nutjobs overreacting.