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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 12:11 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I think you are in fractal denial mate... this state is unfortunately incurable with the "assets" of an obscure internet forum.

Fox News is in Colombia yet all of its issues precede Fox News. You're just trying to blame Fox News because it's an easy scapegoat rather than actually fix the issues in society

Not my fucking Swedish problem to fix your fucked up American society. If your problems wishes to immigrate illegally on the other hand...

Which is why Fox News is getting yeeted from Canada incidentally.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sat May 13, 2023 12:44 pm

Nobilis Ashevilla wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:This is false, it actually works in keeping nonsense out of the public eye: https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/06/depla ... ets-shows/

And considering the fact that QAnon is mainstream, many of the individuals you speak of are fucking stupid.

Question: What are your political beliefs? Do you just so happen to agree/support the nonsense that Fox News spits out?

Good to know you are honest about wanting to control what people can see and think for themselves. Deplatforming your opponents is an act of cowardice. It proves your ideology is so fragile that you must muzzle them to get the audience only to see your way of thinking and not the alternative.

When regarding Jan 6th. Trump stated his Twitter, which you will likely intentionally deny and not bother to get out of your tyrannical mindset. Asked his supporters to remain peaceful and go home. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 77792?s=20

I consider myself a left-wing nationalist but unlike many on the Modern Left. I still have this crazy belief in Free Speech and believe it is not up to you, me, the government/organisations, or any private corporation to dictate where the conversation of the day should and shouldn't be directed.

When lies and misinformation gets people killed, and ultimately, leads to democratic backsliding and decline, then it is in the democratic interest to ban it.

The "remain peaceful" comments by Trump was for plausible deniability and for you to pretend that it isn't is extremely pathetic and disingenuous.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 12:47 pm

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Port Caverton wrote:Those people were already willing to shoot gay people, Fox News being banned wouldn't change anything

Why were they willing to do so? What convinced them that that was something they should do?

Because they were homophobic?
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 12:48 pm

Cyber Duotona wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:If you're trying to deradicalize people, you should be going after Neo-nazi networks, not some right-wing populist network because those kinds of people are always going to exist in a liberal democracy.

here's the thing though, name me one very popular neo-nazi network. i'll wait. fox news has a much larger outreach than any neo nazi network so it's much easier for them to spread their rhetoric and agendas, no matter how dangerous.

Fox News is not a fascist network though. It's just right-wing populist
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sat May 13, 2023 12:49 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Why were they willing to do so? What convinced them that that was something they should do?

Because they were homophobic?

And what network do you think also peddled to their homophobia?

:roll:
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 12:51 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Because they were homophobic?

And what network do you think also peddled to their homophobia?

:roll:

They were already willing to kill people, Fox News existing or not would not have changed anything
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Sat May 13, 2023 12:51 pm

Neu California wrote:But what say you NSG? Would the CRTC be doing the right thing by banning Fox News for incitement of violence (never mind the lies that they told and were confirmed as lies by the court)? If not, what other measures should the regulatory authority pursue if any, to keep the network from spewing such hate?

None. Either you believe in free speech or you don't.

At times like these I feel embarrassed to be Canadian.

And "promotes hatred and violence" against the LGBTQ community? Canadians use "gay" as a generic insult since long before they are old enough to know what FOX news was. Can't add any more to it than that.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 13, 2023 12:52 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:And what network do you think also peddled to their homophobia?

:roll:

They were already willing to kill people, Fox News existing or not would not have changed anything


Were they?
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 12:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:They were already willing to kill people, Fox News existing or not would not have changed anything


Were they?

Yes. The average person is not willing to kill someone else. These people were already well on their way to kill someone, the question was just who and why.
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Postby Upper Tuchoim » Sat May 13, 2023 12:57 pm

Oh no, how will Americans shove their news down our throats now?

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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 13, 2023 12:58 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Were they?

Yes. The average person is not willing to kill someone else. These people were already well on their way to kill someone, the question was just who and why.


Werre they? Or was it because they got radicalised that they became willing to kill?
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 1:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Yes. The average person is not willing to kill someone else. These people were already well on their way to kill someone, the question was just who and why.


Werre they? Or was it because they got radicalised that they became willing to kill?

Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sat May 13, 2023 1:11 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:And what network do you think also peddled to their homophobia?

:roll:

They were already willing to kill people, Fox News existing or not would not have changed anything

Well, prove that then.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 1:20 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Werre they? Or was it because they got radicalised that they became willing to kill?

Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.

The art of fractal denial at work smh...

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sat May 13, 2023 1:23 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.

The art of fractal denial at work smh...

I think this proves once and for all that neoconservatives are no different than Trumpians.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 1:25 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The art of fractal denial at work smh...

I think this proves once and for all that neoconservatives are no different than Trumpians.

Are you saying that interventionists are the same as isolationists? Surely you're joking.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sat May 13, 2023 1:27 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I think this proves once and for all that neoconservatives are no different than Trumpians.

Are you saying that interventionists are the same as isolationists? Surely you're joking.

Trump is not an isolationist.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 13, 2023 1:28 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Are you saying that interventionists are the same as isolationists? Surely you're joking.

Trump is not an isolationist.

But his fans are, and Bolton did believe he would get the United States out of NATO
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 13, 2023 1:29 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Trump is not an isolationist.

But his fans are, and Bolton did believe he would get the United States out of NATO

his fans can't make him do anything when even :bolton: and the gaggle of generals djt surrounded himself with couldn't control the guy
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Postby Rusozak » Sat May 13, 2023 1:30 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Trump is not an isolationist.

But his fans are, and Bolton did believe he would get the United States out of NATO


His fans are as inconsistent as he is. Their stance on isolationism boils down to what foreigners pissed off Trump that day.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 13, 2023 1:41 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Werre they? Or was it because they got radicalised that they became willing to kill?

Yes.

Also some right-wing populist network is not going to radicalize you.


And nor is some random Islamist preacher by this logic.
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Postby Cyber Duotona » Sat May 13, 2023 2:17 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Cyber Duotona wrote:here's the thing though, name me one very popular neo-nazi network. i'll wait. fox news has a much larger outreach than any neo nazi network so it's much easier for them to spread their rhetoric and agendas, no matter how dangerous.

Fox News is not a fascist network though. It's just right-wing populist

you missed my point. my point is that fox news as right wing populists have a much larger impact because they have the size and scope to appeal and reach many more people than a neo-nazi network which given the reputation of nazism in america after ww2 is often relegated to being stuck underground with a minimal audience. its like if two people walked into a bank, one armed with a water pistol and the other with an ar-15, it's very clear who's walking away with the money (in this case, people being moved to the right)
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Postby Equai » Sat May 13, 2023 2:32 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Neu California wrote:But what say you NSG? Would the CRTC be doing the right thing by banning Fox News for incitement of violence (never mind the lies that they told and were confirmed as lies by the court)? If not, what other measures should the regulatory authority pursue if any, to keep the network from spewing such hate?

None. Either you believe in free speech or you don't.

At times like these I feel embarrassed to be Canadian.

And "promotes hatred and violence" against the LGBTQ community? Canadians use "gay" as a generic insult since long before they are old enough to know what FOX news was. Can't add any more to it than that.

Define free speech. Try to define it.. But you can't because it means nothing. Its abstract. There is no such thing as free speech. In every society you have boundaries what you can say and spreading hate should be one of that boundary.
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Postby Juansonia » Sat May 13, 2023 2:45 pm

Equai wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:None. Either you believe in free speech or you don't.

At times like these I feel embarrassed to be Canadian.

And "promotes hatred and violence" against the LGBTQ community? Canadians use "gay" as a generic insult since long before they are old enough to know what FOX news was. Can't add any more to it than that.

Define free speech. Try to define it.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Sat May 13, 2023 2:52 pm

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You want a small government or do you want to be happy and safe?

FOX is not news; it is fascist, Kremlin news that is used to brainwash people like the GOP.
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