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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:47 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Neu California wrote:They lived on the land for millennia before we arrived.

Yes I know, but they didn't own the land.


And that makes it honorable to genocide them how?
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Yes I know, but they didn't own the land.


And that makes it honorable to genocide them how?

I never said it did.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 22, 2023 1:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Yes I know, but they didn't own the land.


And that makes it honorable to genocide them how?

You could stop legitimising Victorian imperialism by engaging with this nonsense idk...
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Postby Cachard Calia » Mon May 22, 2023 3:33 am

I propose we get back on track instead of focusing on whether the US is bad.
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Postby Fahran » Mon May 22, 2023 5:33 am

Cachard Calia wrote:I propose we get back on track instead of focusing on whether the US is bad.

Especially given it’s irrelevant to the point I was actually making about how censorship functions at a meta-level.
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Postby Equai » Mon May 22, 2023 5:51 am

EuroStralia wrote:The US is good, saying it isn't ignores the numerous deeds that it has done for the world and its people.


That's literally lase, on all accounts. USA is a genocidal settler-colonialist state built on the genocide of indigenous people.
What deeds? Genocide of indigenous tribes? Manifest Destiny which was a blueprint for Hitler's Lebensraum? Overthrow of democratically elected leaders in the Global South with literal fascists because those leaders didn't want to sign to American tune? Invasion of Central American countries for nothing but profit and bananas? Slavery which existed until 1940s, segregation that's still exists when it comes to housing and school? Unjust wars against multiple countries with grave consequences, ecological genocide and health genocide? Funding right-wing extremists (CIA funded and armed talibans)? Recruiting Nazis (Operation Paperclip)
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EuroStralia wrote:No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.

Ideals of genocide and imperialism for profit? Yeah they are exceptional in all of evil.

EuroStralia wrote:That doesn't mean it isn't true.

It literally isn't true. American Exceptionalism is bogus.

EuroStralia wrote:No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.


"Equality" - Yeah nothing screams equality like stripping away women's reproductive rights, systemic racism, stripping away LGBTQ+ rights, school and residential segregation, unproportional percentage of POC being locked up in prison, POC getting higher sentence for the same crime that white person committed etc etc

"Rights" - Only people that have full rights are white straight cis men. Other people see their rights regularly being stripped away, again, people like you overturned Roe v Wade and stripped reproductive rights away from women. Florida is leading in the racist, misogynistic and homophobic laws. Hoemelss people are treated like dirt and good luck going to a doctor unless you want to starve for a week because there is no free healthcare.

"Liberty" - USA has the biggest prison population, good luck being gay in Bible Belt.

"Opportunity" - A pure myth. USA offers no opportunity.

"Democracy" - another myth. Electoral college is no democratic process, it is literally opposite. Bush and Trump both lost the popular vote so its not democratic process. Plus lets not even talk about gerrymandering, filibustering and Congress not doing their work just because the opposite party is a president. Nation-wide referendums are almost non-existent and Senate is full with 100-year old white dudes.

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Vassenor wrote:

Nothing says democracy like trying to overthrow your own government because your side lost a free and fair election.

The election wasn't fair.

Because nothing says equality and rights like rigidly enforcing gender stereotypes in order to exist in public.

Not all places in America enforce so called "harmful gender stereotypes".

"The election wasn't fair" tells me everything you are trying so badly to cover. Consult what I said about when it comes to democracy. Trump lost the popular vote, deal with it.

And there is a lot of places in the US that enforces harmful gender stereotypes and are abuser heaven.

EuroStralia wrote:America's founders were honorable people, the horrorable slavery that they did doesn't take away from that.


Don't play the apologists there were horrible people and saying that "slavery is bad but there were good people" only amplifies that you are slavery apologists and that you support the genocide of indigenous people

EuroStralia wrote:They didn't own the land.


They literally did, what weed are you smoking? Indigenosu people were there for over 10000 years were white idiots came over and started colonizing.

EuroStralia wrote:Yes I know, but they didn't own the land.

They did, genocide apologist.

EuroStralia wrote:I never said it did.

You are still apologist for that, which is worse. Now stop threadjacking to be apologist for American imperialism and genocide and stay on the topic or leave. This is my last response to you
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Mon May 22, 2023 11:18 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.

They didn't own the land.


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