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Postby Equai » Sun May 21, 2023 9:42 am

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Equai wrote:One guy here unironically said that actually-

Funnily enough, that person is arguably more honest and self-aware than the Canadian government.

If you believe that USA is good then you are either ignorant or support their imperialism. Ask people of Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya... Hell ask whats left of indigenous people crammed in the so-called reserves by the genocidal US government how good USA is.
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Postby Fahran » Sun May 21, 2023 9:49 am

Equai wrote:If you believe that USA is good then you are either ignorant or support their imperialism. Ask people of Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya... Hell ask whats left of indigenous people crammed in the so-called reserves by the genocidal US government how good USA is.

You missed my meaning. I'm making a very tongue-in-cheek argument about political friends and political enemies and the role such distinctions play in who gets censured by a regime or government.
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Postby Great Ornamentya » Sun May 21, 2023 1:45 pm

All speech is free speech. It's hard to feel bad about them, but we can't give the government the ability to just ban anything they don't like without protest. Also it's not like Canada has some interesting new channels in their own soil, will they go for them next? Maybe then go against websites too? We are regressing in history.

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Postby Rhodevus » Sun May 21, 2023 2:10 pm

Great Ornamentya wrote:All speech is free speech. It's hard to feel bad about them, but we can't give the government the ability to just ban anything they don't like without protest. Also it's not like Canada has some interesting new channels in their own soil, will they go for them next? Maybe then go against websites too? We are regressing in history.


Canada has many news channels. the states aren't the only place that has its own news broadcasts. Most countries do.
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Postby Equai » Sun May 21, 2023 2:29 pm

Great Ornamentya wrote:All speech is free speech. It's hard to feel bad about them, but we can't give the government the ability to just ban anything they don't like without protest. Also it's not like Canada has some interesting new channels in their own soil, will they go for them next? Maybe then go against websites too? We are regressing in history.

"All speech is free speech" Lol no. I don't know in which world you live in but no matter where you go an absolute freedom of speech does not exist and should not exist. Hate speech is not part of free speech and if you spread hate towards already marginalized and attacked group of people then you rightfully deserve to be silenced.
You who the most cry about freedom of speech are regularly restricting and silencing voices of marginalized people and pretending to know better, cry about "censorship" and "cancel culture" (which doesn't exist) while your voices remain strong and initiate hate.

Thinking that Canada has no good domestic TV is peak American exceptionalism even towards other imperialist countries and it only shows that you never step foot out of your own city. Plus FoxNews ain't even good to begin with. Its low hanging fruit dogwhisle heave for crspto fascists.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:04 am

Equai wrote:
Fahran wrote:Funnily enough, that person is arguably more honest and self-aware than the Canadian government.

If you believe that USA is good then you are either ignorant or support their imperialism. Ask people of Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya... Hell ask whats left of indigenous people crammed in the so-called reserves by the genocidal US government how good USA is.

The US is good, saying it isn't ignores the numerous deeds that it has done for the world and its people.
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 22, 2023 1:11 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Equai wrote:If you believe that USA is good then you are either ignorant or support their imperialism. Ask people of Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya... Hell ask whats left of indigenous people crammed in the so-called reserves by the genocidal US government how good USA is.

The US is good, saying it isn't ignores the numerous deeds that it has done for the world and its people.

Yes, good things like the trail of tears, Operation Condor, overthrowing democratically elected governments for for its own benefit, denying rights to minorities, etc.

I mean sure, the US has done good, but it has done plenty of awful shit too.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:13 am

Neu California wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:The US is good, saying it isn't ignores the numerous deeds that it has done for the world and its people.

Yes, good things like the trail of tears, Operation Condor, overthrowing democratically elected governments for for its own benefit, denying rights to minorities, etc.

I mean sure, the US has done good, but it has done plenty of awful shit too.

No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 22, 2023 1:19 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Neu California wrote:Yes, good things like the trail of tears, Operation Condor, overthrowing democratically elected governments for for its own benefit, denying rights to minorities, etc.

I mean sure, the US has done good, but it has done plenty of awful shit too.

No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.

I don't buy into American exceptionalism, and I'm pretty sure.most here don't either
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:20 am

Neu California wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.

I don't buy into American exceptionalism, and I'm pretty sure.most here don't either

That doesn't mean it isn't true.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:22 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Neu California wrote:Yes, good things like the trail of tears, Operation Condor, overthrowing democratically elected governments for for its own benefit, denying rights to minorities, etc.

I mean sure, the US has done good, but it has done plenty of awful shit too.

No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.


Ideals like banning people from public toilets based on how well they conform to traditional gender stereotypes.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:No shit it has, there is no country that didn't, but America is exeptional with its ideals.


Ideals like banning people from public toilets based on how well they conform to traditional gender stereotypes.

No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:36 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ideals like banning people from public toilets based on how well they conform to traditional gender stereotypes.

No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.


Because nothing says equality and rights like rigidly enforcing gender stereotypes in order to exist in public.

Nothing says democracy like trying to overthrow your own government because your side lost a free and fair election.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.



Nothing says democracy like trying to overthrow your own government because your side lost a free and fair election.

The election wasn't fair.

Because nothing says equality and rights like rigidly enforcing gender stereotypes in order to exist in public.

Not all places in America enforce so called "harmful gender stereotypes".
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 22, 2023 1:38 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ideals like banning people from public toilets based on how well they conform to traditional gender stereotypes.

No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.

Equality, like denying transgender individuals equal rights? (Florida et al.)

Rights like the right to own people? (America was founded by more than a few slave owners alongside non-slave owners)

Liberty like having the highest percentage of incarcerated people in the world? (seriously)

Opportunity like opportunities to not have life saving care while pregnant? (So many horror stories about women being denied care in states that have banned or severely restricted abortion)

Democracy like gerrymandering states so badly that one party needs more than 55% of the vote to get half the seats? (Again, seriously)
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 22, 2023 1:39 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:

Nothing says democracy like trying to overthrow your own government because your side lost a free and fair election.

The election wasn't fair.


Yes, it was. You will note that every court case that alleged voter fraud or rigging was thrown out by the courts.

Because nothing says equality and rights like rigidly enforcing gender stereotypes in order to exist in public.

Not all places in America enforce so called "harmful gender stereotypes".


True, but disproportionately red states do, and that's causing a lot of unnecessary harm.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:40 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:

Nothing says democracy like trying to overthrow your own government because your side lost a free and fair election.

The election wasn't fair.

Because nothing says equality and rights like rigidly enforcing gender stereotypes in order to exist in public.

Not all places in America enforce so called "harmful gender stereotypes".


There is more to "this wasn't fair" than "my side didn't win".
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:40 am

Neu California wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:No, ideals like equality, rights, liberty, opportunity, and democracy.

Equality, like denying transgender individuals equal rights? (Florida et al.)

Rights like the right to own people? (America was founded by more than a few slave owners alongside non-slave owners)

Liberty like having the highest percentage of incarcerated people in the world? (seriously)

Opportunity like opportunities to not have life saving care while pregnant? (So many horror stories about women being denied care in states that have banned or severely restricted abortion)

Democracy like gerrymandering states so badly that one party needs more than 55% of the vote to get half the seats? (Again, [url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2021/nov/12/gerrymander-redistricting-map-republicans-democrats-visual]seriously
)

America's founders were honorable people, the horrorable slavery that they did doesn't take away from that.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:41 am

EuroStralia wrote:

America's founders were honorable people, the horrable slavery that they did doesn't take away from that.


Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:America's founders were honorable people, the horrable slavery that they did doesn't take away from that.


Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.

They didn't own the land.
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 22, 2023 1:43 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.

They didn't own the land.

They lived on the land for millennia before we arrived.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 22, 2023 1:43 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.

They didn't own the land.


Remember, nothing says honorable like asuming your ideas of land use apply everywhere.

They were living there and living off the land. That makes it their land.
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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:44 am

Neu California wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:They didn't own the land.

They lived on the land for millennia before we arrived.

Yes I know, but they didn't own the land.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 22, 2023 1:44 am

EuroStralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because nothing says honorable like committing genocide of indiginous people because you want their land.

They didn't own the land.

Maybe you should pull your head out of 1821 idk.

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Postby EuroStralia » Mon May 22, 2023 1:46 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:They didn't own the land.

Maybe you should pull your head out of 1821 idk.

I can't pull my head out of something it isn't in.
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