Fox News could soon be banned from Canadian cable

[EuroStralia]

I think you have an affinity for making false assumptions about your political opponets.

Well, explain the "joke", fascist.

Stop calling me a fascist.

[Equai]

Well, explain the "joke", fascist.

Stop calling me a fascist.

Kinda hard when you keep paddling fascist talking points and defending them on every step.

[Anarchic States]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[Anarchic States]

Well, explain the "joke", fascist.

Stop calling me a fascist.

why are they calling you facist?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Well, explain the "joke", fascist.

Stop calling me a fascist.

No.

Explain the joke.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Stop calling me a fascist.

why are they calling you facist?

He is pro-Trump coup, supports Jan 6th, calls for the overturning of the 2020 presidential election in favor of Trump, and look at the test results in his signature.

[EuroStralia]

Stop calling me a fascist.

No.

Explain the joke.

You kept saying that I spread lies that Fox says, and that I support the Great Replacement.

So I jokingly put Carlson as my flag.

[Fahran]

why are they calling you facist?

He is pro-Trump coup, supports Jan 6th, calls for the overturning of the 2020 presidential election in favor of Trump, and look at the test results in his signature.

While all of these positions are stupid, they aren’t necessarily indicative of fascist ideological beliefs. Not every right-wing authoritarian is a fascist. The vast majority haven’t been and aren’t.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

He is pro-Trump coup, supports Jan 6th, calls for the overturning of the 2020 presidential election in favor of Trump, and look at the test results in his signature.

While all of these positions are stupid, they aren’t necessarily indicative of fascist ideological beliefs. Not every right-wing authoritarian is a fascist. The vast majority haven’t been and aren’t.

You're right, we can't call it fascist until we're walking skeletons heading to a camp somewhere. /s

[Fahran]

While all of these positions are stupid, they aren’t necessarily indicative of fascist ideological beliefs. Not every right-wing authoritarian is a fascist. The vast majority haven’t been and aren’t.

You're right, we can't call it fascist until we're walking skeletons heading to a camp somewhere. /s

I mean… Nicholas II was a notably Antisemitic and presided over pogroms instigated by the Black Hundreds and the mass imprisonment of political dissidents. You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who would consider him a fascist.

Likewise, the Taliban are right-wing and maintain a government that is racist, misogynistic, and Antisemitic, but we don’t generally refer to them as fascist either, excepting the uneducated who believe Islamo-Fascism exists as a credible movement distinct from Islamism.

I could rattle off a number of other right-wing authoritarians if you like, but I believe these two make my point abundantly clear. You’re using the term incorrectly - and more as a slur for your political opponents than as anything substantive.

[West Korea LM3]

Ok sis. I'm not a racist or an antisemite. There is a difference between being a certain race or a certain ethnicity and being transgender. Being a certain race/ethnicity does not require a certain procedure or a conscious choice to be able to conform to it.

Same thing with being trans. Hell, religion requires even more of a conscious choice (and, arguably, procedure), and that's obviously a protected class.

Also even if someone were to say that about black or Jewish people, that still isn't violence, that's just racism. And racism, as long as it doesn't incite violence, is still free speech.

So, if one were to, say, fill their news show with promoting the idea that blood libel is a thing, that wouldn't be violent in any way? At what point does something become violent? "These people are all pedophiles and rapists who are trying to literally destroy the country and groom your children, and something needs to be done" is not violent just because it's not explicitly calling for bloodshed, despite being a blatant and baseless attack on a group of people just trying to live their lives? Despite the people saying this knowing precisely what flames they are stoking?

I doubt that there is a direct connection. And haven't we seen so many instances (more recently) where people who don't support the transgender community are fired from their jobs or harassed? Look at Piers. Heck, look at what we are talking about right now, an entire news organization potentially being banned in Canada!

Again, replace "trans" with black or gay or Jewish and you can see how dumb that argument is. Really? Being fired? I don't know why in the world a business would ever want to distance themselves from association with bigotry. That deeeefinitely makes no sense at allllllll.

well fucking said

[Dimetrodon Empire]

You're right, we can't call it fascist until we're walking skeletons heading to a camp somewhere. /s

I mean… Nicholas II was a notably Antisemitic and presided over pogroms instigated by the Black Hundreds and the mass imprisonment of political dissidents. You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who would consider him a fascist.

Likewise, the Taliban are right-wing and maintain a government that is racist, misogynistic, and Antisemitic, but we don’t generally refer to them as fascist either, excepting the uneducated who believe Islamo-Fascism exists as a credible movement distinct from Islamism.

I could rattle off a number of other right-wing authoritarians if you like, but I believe these two make my point abundantly clear. You’re using the term incorrectly - and more as a slur for your political opponents than as anything substantive.

Nicholas II was a reactionary monarch. One of the last absolute monarchies in Europe to fall, and I would consider him a proto-fascist.

And I do think the Taliban is pretty fashy, as all hard-right theocratic regimes tend to be. "Islamo-fascism" is a dumb term though.

[EuroStralia]

I mean… Nicholas II was a notably Antisemitic and presided over pogroms instigated by the Black Hundreds and the mass imprisonment of political dissidents. You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who would consider him a fascist.

Likewise, the Taliban are right-wing and maintain a government that is racist, misogynistic, and Antisemitic, but we don’t generally refer to them as fascist either, excepting the uneducated who believe Islamo-Fascism exists as a credible movement distinct from Islamism.

I could rattle off a number of other right-wing authoritarians if you like, but I believe these two make my point abundantly clear. You’re using the term incorrectly - and more as a slur for your political opponents than as anything substantive.

Nicholas II was a reactionary monarch. One of the last absolute monarchies in Europe to fall, and I would consider him a proto-fascist.

And I do think the Taliban is pretty fashy, as all hard-right theocratic regimes tend to be. "Islamo-fascism" is a dumb term though.

You seem to view all forms of right wing authoritarianism is , fascist like or fascist.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Nicholas II was a reactionary monarch. One of the last absolute monarchies in Europe to fall, and I would consider him a proto-fascist.

And I do think the Taliban is pretty fashy, as all hard-right theocratic regimes tend to be. "Islamo-fascism" is a dumb term though.

You seem to view all forms of right wing authoritarianism is , fascist like or fascist.

Because it is going in that direction.

Not to mention that Saiwania (a literal Nazi on this forum) pretty much has the same takes as a standard conservative, just with more explicit racism and antisemitism. Showing how far right American conservatism has become.

And even if I am convinced to not use the term to describe you, you want a right-wing dictatorship. I have no respect for you.

[EuroStralia]

You seem to view all forms of right wing authoritarianism is , fascist like or fascist.

Because it is going in that direction.

Not to mention that Saiwania (a literal Nazi on this forum) pretty much has the same takes as a standard conservative, just with more explicit racism and antisemitism. Showing how far right American conservatism has become.

And even if I am convinced to not use the term to describe you, you want a right-wing dictatorship. I have no respect for you.

Fascism is an ideology, not a word that you can throw around to describe authoritarian ideologies you don't like, if one doesn't believe all aspects of fascism, they aren't fascist.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Because it is going in that direction.

Not to mention that Saiwania (a literal Nazi on this forum) pretty much has the same takes as a standard conservative, just with more explicit racism and antisemitism. Showing how far right American conservatism has become.

And even if I am convinced to not use the term to describe you, you want a right-wing dictatorship. I have no respect for you.

Fascism is an ideology, not a word that you can throw around to describe authoritarian ideologies you don't like, if one doesn't believe all aspects of fascism, they aren't fascist.

Fascism is a group of many ideologies. There's Francoism, Classical Fascism (from Italy), Clerical Fascism, Nazism, etc. And many of those have ideological derivatives that split off from them.

There were even two Nazi ideologies. Strasserism and Hitlerism, and they had massive differences. One would purge the other in the Night of the Long Knives.

To think of fascism as a single ideology is wrong.

[EuroStralia]

Fascism is an ideology, not a word that you can throw around to describe authoritarian ideologies you don't like, if one doesn't believe all aspects of fascism, they aren't fascist.

Fascism is a group of many ideologies. There's Francoism, Classical Fascism (from Italy), Clerical Fascism, Nazism, etc. And many of those have ideological derivatives that split off from them.

There were even two Nazi ideologies. Strasserism and Hitlerism, and they had massive differences. One would purge the other in the Night of the Long Knives.

To think of fascism as a single ideology is wrong.

All forms of fascism believe in authoritarianism, nationalism (including racial nationalism), hierarchy and elitism, and militarism, some forms are also more religious than others.

[Fahran]

Nicholas II was a reactionary monarch. One of the last absolute monarchies in Europe to fall, and I would consider him a proto-fascist.

And I do think the Taliban is pretty fashy, as all hard-right theocratic regimes tend to be. "Islamo-fascism" is a dumb term though.

I’m not certain how useful your definition is given it essentially observes no differences between Adolf Hitler, Tucker Carlson, António Salazar, Nicholas II, Porfirio Díaz, Mullah Omar, William the Conqueror, etc. The political aesthetics, ideological underpinnings, societal structures, paradigms, modes of economic production, etc. varied wildly between all these folks. Again, it feels like you’re just labeling any vaguely right-wing and authoritarian figure as fascist, even those that don’t explicitly endorse dictatorship or a totalitarian state.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Nicholas II was a reactionary monarch. One of the last absolute monarchies in Europe to fall, and I would consider him a proto-fascist.

And I do think the Taliban is pretty fashy, as all hard-right theocratic regimes tend to be. "Islamo-fascism" is a dumb term though.

I’m not certain how useful your definition is given it essentially observes no differences between Adolf Hitler, Tucker Carlson, António Salazar, Nicholas II, Porfirio Díaz, Mullah Omar, William the Conqueror, etc. The political aesthetics, ideological underpinnings, societal structures, paradigms, modes of economic production, etc. varied wildly between all these folks. Again, it feels like you’re just labeling any vaguely right-wing and authoritarian figure as fascist, even those that don’t explicitly endorse dictatorship or a totalitarian state.

There is a difference. See my prior post, as fascism has different types within it. It is not a single ideology, but a group of ideologies, some do different that they would see a need to fight.

[EuroStralia]

I’m not certain how useful your definition is given it essentially observes no differences between Adolf Hitler, Tucker Carlson, António Salazar, Nicholas II, Porfirio Díaz, Mullah Omar, William the Conqueror, etc. The political aesthetics, ideological underpinnings, societal structures, paradigms, modes of economic production, etc. varied wildly between all these folks. Again, it feels like you’re just labeling any vaguely right-wing and authoritarian figure as fascist, even those that don’t explicitly endorse dictatorship or a totalitarian state.

There is a difference. See my prior post, as fascism has different types within it. It is not a single ideology, but a group of ideologies, some do different that they would see a need to fight.

There are all still fascism.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

There is a difference. See my prior post, as fascism has different types within it. It is not a single ideology, but a group of ideologies, some do different that they would see a need to fight.

There are all still fascism.

Yes, fascism is not a specific ideology.

Nazism is terrible but even it is not a single ideology.

[Vassenor]

Because it is going in that direction.

Not to mention that Saiwania (a literal Nazi on this forum) pretty much has the same takes as a standard conservative, just with more explicit racism and antisemitism. Showing how far right American conservatism has become.

And even if I am convinced to not use the term to describe you, you want a right-wing dictatorship. I have no respect for you.

Fascism is an ideology, not a word that you can throw around to describe authoritarian ideologies you don't like, if one doesn't believe all aspects of fascism, they aren't fascist.

Says the person screaming fascism because an entertainment channel isn't being carried by Canadian cable providers.

[Fahran]

There is a difference. See my prior post, as fascism has different types within it. It is not a single ideology, but a group of ideologies, some do different that they would see a need to fight.

That doesn’t change the fact that you would almost certainly consider every pre-twentieth century monarchy or Islamist polity fascistic. Not to mention a wide plethora of pre-1960s liberal democracies. Your definition is a poor one because it’s broad enough to include almost every government before 2000 CE potentially.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

There is a difference. See my prior post, as fascism has different types within it. It is not a single ideology, but a group of ideologies, some do different that they would see a need to fight.

That doesn’t change the fact that you would almost certainly consider every pre-twentieth century monarchy or Islamist polity fascistic. Not to mention a wide plethora of pre-1960s liberal democracies. Your definition is a poor one because it’s broad enough to include almost every government before 2000 CE potentially.

I never said that.

I only commented on the Taliban and the Tsar.

And the Tsar was not a fascist, but a proto-fascist. He had similarities with fascists and that is mainly due to the Black Hundreds, who were extremely radical and we start to see where the ideas that would give rise to fascism come together.

[Fahran]

I never said that.

I only commented on the Taliban and the Tsar.

And the Tsar was not a fascist, but a proto-fascist. He had similarities with fascists and that is mainly due to the Black Hundreds, who were extremely radical and we start to see where the ideas that would give rise to fascism come together.

What defines Fascism in your view?

Because, based on the folks you have described as fascists or proto-fascists, I don’t get the sense that your definition is particularly rigorous.