India and Pakistan: a tale of divergence

[Grand matrix of Dues ex machina]

Recent news from Pakistan does to seize to amaze me and you should be amaze too. India, in her brief history after independence became a shining beacon of democracy and civil society whereas Pakistan became a failed state and a basket case for political mismanagement. Both pieces of the same cloth. Same culture and society should have governed them but that does seems to be the case. You may be tempted to cite that under BJP government India had become more authoritarian but it is just a brief moment in Indian political history. India has seen worse days under INC madam Indra Gandhi (aka the emergency) and a force sterilization campaign under INC sir Rajiv Gandhi. So this is just one of those messy times. Many not belonging to India should know that BJP has lost state elections in three states and the capital region as recently as this very year. So BJP is the legitimate democratic government of India whether you like it or not. They have not won by election fraud or any other ill practice but by will of the people just like Donald Trump did in America much to the disdain of the local liberals. Indian democratic fabric is more powerful than the world largest political party. And I believe that any government if elected democratically should be accepted regardless of ideology.
Economically it is the same story, India vs Pakistan is more like David vs Goliath, just that the Goliath seems to have won the match. India is the second largest driver of global growth after China while Pakistan is facing a balance of payment crisis. Again you might be tempted to shift the blame on the recent flood but Pakistan's love affair with the IMF is a very long story. Almost as old as it's founding, dramatically speaking. One an emerging economic great power other a an economic basket case ( as well). The economic gap between them widening at ever faster rate. Again you might be tempted to shift the blame on Pakistan's small size. India is leading its smaller sibling neighbor by the nose in gdp per capita ( nominally) and utterly dominating it in gdp per capita (ppp). Pakistan has been, for a long time, infected by economic instant gratification. It's economy dominated by its own army and crony capitalists. It's economic and fiscal fabric torn to pieces by government subsidies. On government subsidies, you can very well argue that India does the same but I rise to say that whenever that happens the RBI and the Supreme Court can not only question the budget but halt it too if necessary but in Pakistan despite having a central bank, the SBP did not stop the economic suicide.
This only leaves one question, WHY? Why does Pakistan always comes in India's way and always tries to stop our progress ?
We in India fear Pakistan as we see him as an alternate self. What India would have become if we would have gone down the road of religious radicalism and extremism instead of secular development. We all (Indians) should caution ourselves with this tale of two nations.
Please share your opinions with me. I would love to read it. Thank you.
Edited:
I forgot to mention the adani scandal. The Supreme Court and the ED has ordered an investigation into the matter as of now.
Edit 2#
I think I forgot to present enough evidence.
India:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 195381.cms
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... s-8565720/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ele ... sh/results
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 042384.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ele ... ya/results
Pakistan:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/2 ... rts-powers
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-65579500
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/ ... on-to-rise
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/ ... m-protests
https://m.economictimes.com/news/intern ... 137147.cms
Now Nigeria:
https://www.brookings.edu/podcast-episo ... tion-fair/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/28/worl ... enges.html
https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/04/25/nig ... d-violence
https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/10/20/t ... bition-act
Now I will let you all decide which country is more democratic.

[Wejakd]

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[El Lazaro]

Both India and Pakistan have a lot of problems, just different ones.

hello endorse me cuh

You need to be in the WA to get endorsements, and only WA members in the same region as you can endorse you. This also isn’t a topic for NSG.

[Vrbo]

I'm going to be real, this post comes off as major India propaganda and comes off as almost prejudicial against Pakistanis. Almost like, an Indian wumao. This is funny because even Nigeria ranks as more democratic than India despite it being a "beacon of democracy".

[Southland]

As much as I hate the "BOth SIdES" argument, I think both government suck. Pakistan is a no-brainer for the stuff outlined, and with India I see a country that has happily embraced religious fanaticism like its neighbor and is gearing itself up for a genocide against Muslims (and when they're taken care of, the Christians and the Sikhs will be next in that order). I find that the constant excuse of "but the BJP is unpopular!" to be entirely unconvincing, given that Modi consistently has a high approval raging (in the mid-70s last I checked) and its well-documented that the RSS and the Hindutva in general are radicalizing the Indian diaspora.

Also, India can't relaly call itself the "world's largest democracy" anymore, given that Freedom House has classified it as "partially free" since 2021, the same category the Balkans, Peru, and (ironically) Pakistan are in.

The way I see it, unless the opposition gets their acts together and curbstomps the BJP in the next election, which I find highly unlikely, India will just be Pakistan in a gucci belt.

[Vrbo]

Heads up OP: You need to make a new post if you want to engage with other people, not edit your OP and telegram me asking me to read through what constitutes as Indian state propaganda.

[Sorcery]

hello endorse me cuh

stay classy.

[Picairn]

> "India is a shining beacon of democracy and civil society"
> "BJP is authoritarian but only a brief moment in Indian history, the Gandhis were worse"

Lol get outta here with that Indian apologia, mate.
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/6 ... cksliding/

[El Lazaro]

> "India is a shining beacon of democracy and civil society"
> "BJP is authoritarian but only a brief moment in Indian history, the Gandhis were worse"

Lol get outta here with that Indian apologia, mate.
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/6 ... cksliding/

India has only been authoritarian under the INC and BJP, whose rule collectively makes up over 90% of the Republic’s history. Just a minor problem, basically.

[Free Papua Republic]

Indian government ain't the best, but tbh given the insane sheer size and colonial history of deliberately weakened state structure, it's been doing quite well.

Pakistan's state model (ruled by the military even today) is straight up trash though, as in "the country is probably going to blow up in the next 5 years"

Even Bangladesh' "the entire country is a sweatshop" state structure seems to be far more promising and stable. This is even with Bangladesh having basically no natural resources, and got their independence after being struck by an apocalyptic natural disaster and undergoing a genocide by the Pakistanis. Basically the worst starting position imaginable

[Republique Grande Francaise]

How much does the BJP pay you?

[Free Papua Republic]

Both India and Pakistan have a lot of problems, just different ones.

hello endorse me cuh

You need to be in the WA to get endorsements, and only WA members in the same region as you can endorse you. This also isn’t a topic for NSG.

I mean I feel like Indian nationalists should focus more on economics than democracy if they wanna strike some dopamine points against Pakistan. Pakistan's economy is an unprecedented disaster and a time bomb: their productivity is very little and they are literally dependent on new and new debt to feed the population. If the debt money stops coming (e.g. because they can't pay back the existing debt and defaults), the food and fuel also stops becoming buyable to the populace. If the populace can't buy food, they tend to become really angry.

[Bahrimontagn]

India is hardly a beacon of anything democratic, and it's economic prowess is fragile.

[Southland]

How much does the BJP pay you?

They do it for free in my experience, which makes it extra pathetic.

[Risottia]

India, in her brief history after independence became a shining beacon of democracy and civil society

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65347773

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-58328014

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62830634

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54418513

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-58406194

"Shining beacon of democracy" my firm, muscular buttocks.