Should Pornography be banned in the US?

[Orcuo]

*Pointing at Orcuo* Reactionary! Reactionary! Please don't hurt me, reactionary! Please, I'm just a helpless little kitten. You wouldn't hurt me, right, Comrade?

You're calling someone who agreed with your points, but just said that Pornography is not the most important thing to get rid of, a reactionary?

Gonna correct you there, I never agreed with their points. I was imply, “Even if that is true, why should we ban porn?”

[San Lumen]

Absolutely, it’s a disgusting way of making money and if some woman or man wants to fap, R34 exists!

No one is making you watch it. As long as its consensual and there are no minors involved why do you care? I follow someone on Instagram whose from Venezuela and now lives in London. He used the money he made from adult entertainment to get his family out of the country and to Spain.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

If you ask any guy in the immediate aftermath of a jerk off session, he'd agree that porn atomizes and pacifies men and drains their soul. People say, "A 1000% increase in youth erectile dysfunction in 10 years? A 300% increase in youth sexlessness in 10 years? I wonder what would cause such a phenomenon."

I don't know about you guys, but I just go back to whatever i was doing beforehand. I don't get short-term depression after hubba'ing my bubba.

[Floofybit]

Honestly, before we start banning pornography, we should first attempt on cracking down on those taking pictures, posting pictures, and getting pictures taken of them that are indecent.

[San Lumen]

Honestly, before we start banning pornography, we should first attempt on cracking down on those taking pictures, posting pictures, and getting pictures taken of them that are indecent.

If someone is not a minor and it was consensual again why do you care?

[Fahran]

I’m not saying I support these concepts, I’m asking that out of all things racist, sexist, and capitalist, why must pornography go?

Also, are you implying that all porn is inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist? A simply yes or no will do.

bell hooks does want to abolish all of those things.

Yes, the porn industry is inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist - from this perspective. I’d say, even from my own perspective, it is at least inherently sexist and capitalist. Sex work would probably not exist in a communist society.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Honestly, before we start banning pornography, we should first attempt on cracking down on those taking pictures, posting pictures, and getting pictures taken of them that are indecent.

Which includes all pornography. Seriously?
"Before we ban this video game, we should first attempt to ban all video games"

[Floofybit]

Honestly, before we start banning pornography, we should first attempt on cracking down on those taking pictures, posting pictures, and getting pictures taken of them that are indecent.

If someone is not a minor and it was consensual again why do you care?

Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

[Floofybit]

Honestly, before we start banning pornography, we should first attempt on cracking down on those taking pictures, posting pictures, and getting pictures taken of them that are indecent.

Which includes all pornography. Seriously?
"Before we ban this video game, we should first attempt to ban all video games"

No. Before we ban porn, we should ban the source.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

If someone is not a minor and it was consensual again why do you care?

Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

Who are you to tell me if my body's sacred or not?

Which includes all pornography. Seriously?
"Before we ban this video game, we should first attempt to ban all video games"

No. Before we ban porn, we should ban the source.

Which includes all porn. So you're also just banning porn.

[Jewish Underground State]

The a problem with banning anything is that the demand for it is still there. If there is a demand people will attempt to meet the demands for a profit, and There will always be a demand for pornography. I think the best we can do is regulate the shadier parts of the industry

[Floofybit]

Which includes all porn. So you're also just banning porn.

Yes, all porn should be banned.

[Jewish Underground State]

Which includes all porn. So you're also just banning porn.

Yes, all porn should be banned.

But how would such a ban be enforced?

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Which includes all porn. So you're also just banning porn.

Yes, all porn should be banned.

So then why even add the "before we ban all porn"?
Whatever, this is just semantics. Literally everything else you've said here is much worse, especially your will to be submissive to a big, strong, manly state

[San Lumen]

If someone is not a minor and it was consensual again why do you care?

Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

Again no one is making you watch the videos or view such photos.

I once again bring up the gentlemen from Instagram. He was able to escape Venezuela and went to London going into the adult entertainment industry. He works for Lucas and using the money he made he got his family out of the country and they went to Spain. Why would you take away from him something he clearly enjoys doing and got him and his family a better life?

[Orcuo]

bell hooks does want to abolish all of those things.

Yes, the porn industry is inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist - from this perspective. I’d say, even from my own perspective, it is at least inherently sexist and capitalist.

I don’t know who or what bell hooks is, frankly I don’t care.

Now, onto the italics. I bet you thought you were clever by adding that “industry” right after porn, you sly dog. But unfortunately that’s not what I asked. I asked, is porn (not the porn industry), just plain ‘ol porn, inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist?

[Diarcesia]

If someone is not a minor and it was consensual again why do you care?

Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

There are nudist societies that can look at a nude person without any perverted thoughts. Also, certain societies require women to be covered head to toe because men get horny at the exposure of ankles or wrists.

[Floofybit]

Yes, all porn should be banned.

But how would such a ban be enforced?

Panopticon surveillance, increased law enforcement, and rehabilitation camps.

[Diarcesia]

bell hooks does want to abolish all of those things.

Yes, the porn industry is inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist - from this perspective. I’d say, even from my own perspective, it is at least inherently sexist and capitalist.

I don’t know who or what bell hooks is, frankly I don’t care.

Now, onto the italics. I bet you thought you were clever by adding that “industry” right after porn, you sly dog. But unfortunately that’s not what I asked. I asked, is porn (not the porn industry), just plain ‘ol porn, inherently racist, sexist, and capitalist?

By "industry", it's Big Porn in particular.

[Narland]

This is a very old question, and one that there are lots of varying opinions on, but I'll give mine.

Well, the characteristic of "being moral" is a social construct. That's the case with basically our entire society. It's some tangible properties given a role in society and associated with other properties. By their very nature, social constructs are always subjective. Just as what any given society or person applies to the social construct of "motherhood" is subjective and varying, the same is true of morality. Now, a subjective idea is not necessarily an arbitrary idea. They can be held for their utility, or their logical explanations, or their connections to other ideas. It's my belief that something that is moral is that it does no harm to others without just cause, or prevents unjustified harm, where justified means it prevents more harm than it creates. This stems from the ideas that 1) people are responsible for their own actions and their results, and not the actions of others or their results, which is logically true because a person uninvolved in an event has no relationship with it; 2) harm is a punishing or painful thing that people dislike, an observable fact.

Religion can't do objective morality either. Even if you try and argue from authority, you need to prove that the authority is objectively right, which is impossible.

Regarding your arguments in the OP: Yes, large distributors like PornHub should absolutely be punished for association with trafficking, bad pay, or abuse. But there are also numerous independent creators like on OnlyFans, or illustrated pornography, which have no victims. The link between porn use and depression is tenuous except in instances of powerful shame (often religious in origin) or addiction. Objectification and unrealistic body standards are nasty, but don't really do a lot of tangible harm. Either way, implementing a porn ban would be impossible, like Prohibition but now with the internet. It'd be unmanageable.

I appreciate your argument very much. I can see that you thought carefully about your answer, and I appreciate that you presented your ideas respectfully without just bashing my religion and God, unlike so many others. I disagree with you on several points, but you are certainly correct that I cannot prove God's authority is genuine. It ultimately comes down to someone having faith in Jesus in order for them to believe in God's standard of morality. Paul was right when he called the gospel "a stumbling block to the Jews (Other religions) and foolishness to the Gentiles (Intellectuals)." (1st Corinthians 1:23).

Where does that leave our argument about pornography? I guess in the context of government, I would have to go back to my original argument, that it causes harm to others, but that has been torn apart. To other Christians reading, we can't do much to change society other than preach the gospel to others and love them as Christ commanded. Locke's Toleration is a good resource for how Christians should interact with society. Also the Bible, obviously

I agree. "Toleration" is a good resource. I would like to point out that it was usually used in conjunction with Sidney's Discourses. They complement each other very well.

Puffendorf, Grotius, and Rutherford's works on Toleration are good resources also. Another great help is to use Webster's 1828 and sometimes Webster's 1913 Dictionaries to counter the redefinition of the words use by totalitarian ideologues who have reframed the arguments for their own purposes. Blackstone's definitions, Black's 1st - 3rd legal dictionaries, Bouvier's Legal dictionary are good helps as well.

Locke - Letters Concerning Toleration
Sidney - Discourses Concerning Government

[Diarcesia]

But how would such a ban be enforced?

Panopticon surveillance, increased law enforcement, and rehabilitation camps.

What is this, Xinjiang? The depravities happening there makes private porn consumption virtuous in comparison.

[Floofybit]

Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

There are nudist societies that can look at a nude person without any perverted thoughts. Also, certain societies require women to be covered head to toe because men get horny at the exposure of ankles or wrists.

Covering women head to toe is degrading and sexist. All genders should have to wear the same amount of clothes, but not head to toe, and definitely not nude.

[Jewish Underground State]

But how would such a ban be enforced?

Panopticon surveillance, increased law enforcement, and rehabilitation camps.

That doesn't solve the problem of stopping demand. (I guess rehabilitation camps would work somewhat with stopping demand but the other two don't We've tried them with stopping drugs and they don't work.)

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

There are nudist societies that can look at a nude person without any perverted thoughts. Also, certain societies require women to be covered head to toe because men get horny at the exposure of ankles or wrists.

Covering women head to toe is degrading and sexist. All genders should have to wear the same amount of clothes, but not head to toe, and definitely not nude.

As we all know, nobody has gotten aroused at a fully clothed woman before. And you definitely can't see any arousing part of their body if they are.

[Diarcesia]

There are nudist societies that can look at a nude person without any perverted thoughts. Also, certain societies require women to be covered head to toe because men get horny at the exposure of ankles or wrists.

Covering women head to toe is degrading and sexist. All genders should have to wear the same amount of clothes, but not head to toe, and definitely not nude.

i.e. Western European standards of clothing?