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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Mon May 08, 2023 9:10 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.
Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

Yes, as banning a massive industry has historically worked very well for people. Especially Al Capone.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:10 am

Floofybit wrote:
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the irony of a gay furry being this against people making their livelihood off of porn

What does being a gay furry have to do with this?

do you know just how many furries make bank drawing dongs
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon May 08, 2023 9:11 am

Past beans wrote:
Floofybit wrote:However, people should get what they need.

Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

Pornography is an industry that abuses people.
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Postby Arval Va » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 am

Floofybit wrote:
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Some adults want to be sex workers. *shrugs*

Sometimes people shouldn't get what they want.

The cost is confined to them. They aren't hurting anybody else, they should be able to do what they want.
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Necroghastia wrote:Indeed. Like a bloated surveillance state, for example.

However, people should get what they need.

They don't need a tyrant.
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San Lumen wrote:But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

Consent is not the only thing that matters.

As long as they are the only ones harmed, they should be allowed to do it. By the act of filming what people already do, they are the only ones risking themselves.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:However, people should get what they need.

Like the ability to have consensual sex with whoever, and film it should the parties wish. Maybe monetize that as well, at least as long as we're in a capitalist hellscape where that matters.

Sex should be between the people doing it and witnessed by no one else. No one should see it, if they want to see it, they can ask their partner, it they don't have a partner, they don't get to see it
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

There are some people who are legitimately forced into doing sex or porn work because they have no other options. If someone is in that position and does not want to resort to it, he or she should absolutely receive assistance to avoid that.


And that is wrong. No one should be forced into it and no reputable studio would do something like that.

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Postby Incelastan » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 am

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Past beans wrote:Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

Pornography is an industry that abuses people.


All industries have dark corners where people get abused. Should we ban all industries and return to the caves?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Past beans wrote:Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

Pornography is an industry that abuses people.

If it were properly regulated, than that abuse would be more likely to be thrust into the spotlight and aggressively cleared out.

If it were banned, such abuse is lumped in with the very industry itself in terms of being criminalized, and there is no incentive to not have it present since just doing the industry gets you arrested.

It happens with drugs, it happens with prostitution, it happened with alcohol, and it absolutely would and does happen with porn.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:What does being a gay furry have to do with this?

do you know just how many furries make bank drawing dongs

Yes and it's utterly disgusting
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Unmet Player wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

Consent is not the only thing that matters.

I kinda agree. I draw rhe.line at "consent and does no serious or.permanent harm to the individuals involved" and porn does not cross that line. (Admittedly, euthanasia and BDSM blur that line, but porn is safely on the safe side)
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Past beans wrote:Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

Pornography is an industry that abuses people.


How is the person I mentioned earlier being harmed?

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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Like the ability to have consensual sex with whoever, and film it should the parties wish. Maybe monetize that as well, at least as long as we're in a capitalist hellscape where that matters.

Sex should be between the people doing it and witnessed by no one else. No one should see it, if they want to see it, they can ask their partner, it they don't have a partner, they don't get to see it

It's crazy how you literally have no right to choose what the rest of the world can or cant do consentually
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Floofybit wrote:
Past beans wrote:Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

There are many better industries that pay them, porn isn't the only job that pays.

"Better" is relative. Some people, shockingly, like that they can make money off their nudes, or by drawing Rouge the Bat wider than she is tall. And no one is harmed by this.
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Postby Arval Va » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Like the ability to have consensual sex with whoever, and film it should the parties wish. Maybe monetize that as well, at least as long as we're in a capitalist hellscape where that matters.

Sex should be between the people doing it and witnessed by no one else. No one should see it, if they want to see it, they can ask their partner, it they don't have a partner, they don't get to see it

You get to pay to watch people do all sorts of other things. Why should this be any different?
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon May 08, 2023 9:13 am

Incelastan wrote:
Unmet Player wrote:Pornography is an industry that abuses people.


All industries have dark corners where people get abused. Should we ban all industries and return to the caves?

No, the porn industry is worse.
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Postby Past beans » Mon May 08, 2023 9:14 am

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Past beans wrote:Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

Pornography is an industry that abuses people.

Every industry is abusive in some way.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:14 am

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sex should be between the people doing it and witnessed by no one else. No one should see it, if they want to see it, they can ask their partner, it they don't have a partner, they don't get to see it

It's crazy how you literally have no right to choose what the rest of the world can or cant do consentually

Unfortunately. Although, I don't want the power, but I'll devoutly follow someone who will without resistance.
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Postby Incelastan » Mon May 08, 2023 9:14 am

Arval Va wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sometimes people shouldn't get what they want.

The cost is confined to them. They aren't hurting anybody else, they should be able to do what they want.
Floofybit wrote:However, people should get what they need.

They don't need a tyrant.
Unmet Player wrote:Consent is not the only thing that matters.

As long as they are the only ones harmed, they should be allowed to do it. By the act of filming what people already do, they are the only ones risking themselves.


Yes, this is my hill and I am willing to die on it. Consenting adults get to decide that for themselves. Just because self-appointed moral arbiters think that it is a threat to the existing social order doesn't mean that they get to determine such things.
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 08, 2023 9:14 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Incelastan wrote:
All industries have dark corners where people get abused. Should we ban all industries and return to the caves?

No, the porn industry is worse.

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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Mon May 08, 2023 9:15 am

Floofybit wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:It's crazy how you literally have no right to choose what the rest of the world can or cant do consentually

Unfortunately. Although, I don't want the power, but I'll devoutly follow someone who will without resistance.

Why should anyone be forced to listen to anyone else on how they live their own life, if it's relatively safe and consensual?
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Postby Arval Va » Mon May 08, 2023 9:16 am

Unmet Player wrote:
Incelastan wrote:
All industries have dark corners where people get abused. Should we ban all industries and return to the caves?

No, the porn industry is worse.

Abuse is already banned, and it should be cracked down on. Sites like OnlyFans, however, allow independent creators to make content on their own terms without the risks of that market. Why should they be banned?
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon May 08, 2023 9:16 am

Past beans wrote:
Unmet Player wrote:Pornography is an industry that abuses people.

Every industry is abusive in some way.


I don't hear Marxists criticizing sex work between consenting adults, especially if the worker is 100% independent.
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Postby Neu California » Mon May 08, 2023 9:16 am

Floofybit wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:It's crazy how you literally have no right to choose what the rest of the world can or cant do consentually

Unfortunately. Although, I don't want the power, but I'll devoutly follow someone who will without resistance.

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Postby Incelastan » Mon May 08, 2023 9:16 am

Neu California wrote:
Unmet Player wrote:No, the porn industry is worse.

[Citation Needed]


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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:17 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Like the ability to have consensual sex with whoever, and film it should the parties wish. Maybe monetize that as well, at least as long as we're in a capitalist hellscape where that matters.

Sex should be between the people doing it and witnessed by no one else. No one should see it, if they want to see it, they can ask their partner, it they don't have a partner, they don't get to see it

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