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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:02 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I'd be dang happy with both

Somehow, I doubt you would be as happy if one was to advocate banning a certain other food.

Somehow, I doubt they would have reason to.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 08, 2023 9:02 am

Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:03 am

San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.
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Postby Arval Va » Mon May 08, 2023 9:03 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

For someone who hates porn so much, you seem a little obsessed.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:04 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Somehow, I doubt you would be as happy if one was to advocate banning a certain other food.

Somehow, I doubt they would have reason to.

All that sugar? And the fact that it can be used to make that sinful concoction, alcohol? As much or more reason... banning fruit or flesh would be as insipid as banning fruits or the sins of the flesh.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon May 08, 2023 9:04 am

San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

So if I rob and murder people just to get my family out of poverty, it's okay now?
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Mon May 08, 2023 9:04 am

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Arval Va wrote:Yeah, there are plenty of people on the ace-aro spectrum, like demisexuals or cupioromantics, that still have limited interaction with sex or romance. But overall, it's uncommon.


Demisexual and cupioromantic! Society is out of hand.

Any word with 5 or more syllables is new, and new things are bad, because old things are good. Society is more specific now, so big words are more common. Big words are bad, because society is bad, and society makes big words.

All jokes aside, tell me what you think Demisexual and Cupioromantic mean. Without googling it.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon May 08, 2023 9:04 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.


Some adults want to be sex workers. If it's consenting adults, why force them to find other work?
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 am

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San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

So if I rob and murder people just to get my family out of poverty, it's okay now?

Who is getting murdered by porn?
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 am

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San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

So if I rob and murder people just to get my family out of poverty, it's okay now?

I wasn't aware, do people normally consent to being murdered?
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 am

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Floofybit wrote:Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.


Some adults want to be sex workers. *shrugs*

Sometimes people shouldn't get what they want.
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Postby Past beans » Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

Pornography is an entire industry though. And you cannot feasibly give a lot of people jobs without repercussions and complications. And the government's would have to pay for rehab, increasing the cost of banning pornography.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:06 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:06 am

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Demisexual and cupioromantic! Society is out of hand.

Any word with 5 or more syllables is new, and new things are bad, because old things are good. Society is more specific now, so big words are more common. Big words are bad, because society is bad, and society makes big words.

All jokes aside, tell me what you think Demisexual and Cupioromantic mean. Without googling it.

Demisexuals like Demi Lovato, and Cupioromantics find live after they get shot with an arrow
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Postby Vivida Vis Animi » Mon May 08, 2023 9:06 am

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John Paul I reiterated the official views of the church regarding Marxism and Catholicism being incompatible and believed it to be a "weapon to disobey" the Christian faith. As Patriarch of Venice, he struggled at times with Marxist students who were demanding changes in Venetian policies. He also forbade those factions that were Marxist from threatening the faith


You can ban threats and actions. You said and
How do you ban a line of reasoning. You did not answer the question. In both instances you are referring to banning of actions NOT THOUGHTS OR LINES OF REASONING WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE ADVACATING.

HOW DO YOU BAN A LINE OF REASONING?




Catholics in particular have a very easy way of banning an ideology. Excommunication. While technically you can argue that this "only" banned Catholics from supporting/defending Communism and didn't technically ban the ideology itself, it's a very roundabout and honestly lame excuse for what it's really doing. Banning the ideology. You can't threaten devout Christians with excommunication for supporting an ideology while also claiming that the ideology isn't banned.


It is right there. The ideology isn't banned. Because you can ban an action but not a thought process, further more Catholicism is a religion and there for exists through voluntary association. Under what voluntary association's umbrella are you advocating " line reasoning should be banned."? Groups and religions can and do kick people out for reasons of there own. If you do not accept Jesus as the Son of God you are not Christen, But even there you cannot be excommunicated by the act of thinking. You MUST ACT on that line of reasoning for any action to be taken against you. There are millions of supposed Christens that are in fact agnostic because no one can ban a line of reasoning. Only the acts behind the line of reasoning.

I think the bold specifically is where I am not understanding this line of reasoning. How are you defining "act of thinking" vs "action." I've been working under an assumption that action covers more than protests, voting, or joining political parties (although you might not consider these to be actions either?). I also consider actions to be written tracts or speeches defending/promoting Communism, but my understanding is that you disagree with this line of reasoning and consider these to still be "acts of thinking."

To me, an act of thinking is more literal - just thinking. Only going as far as to write about the thoughts in a personal journal would be the only physical aspect of this thought. But when it comes to spreading the idea, the act of thinking becomes action. When speeches or thought pieces are written they are typically done so as a form of persuasion, so therefore these would be actions. These actions would be seen as grounds for excommunication (in this very specific example provided earlier).

But again, I might be misunderstanding your perspective about thought vs action here. This is also straying very far away from the initial discussion of a porn ban, so to drag it back to the topic: if porn and support for porn were grounds for excommunication just as Communism once was it would not be limited to just the production. Vocal support would be grounds for excommunication, and (going by how I've been defining it) both the thought and action of Pornography would be essentially banned by the Catholic church.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:07 am

Floofybit wrote:
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Some adults want to be sex workers. *shrugs*

Sometimes people shouldn't get what they want.

Indeed. Like a bloated surveillance state, for example.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:08 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Sometimes people shouldn't get what they want.

Indeed. Like a bloated surveillance state, for example.

However, people should get what they need.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 08, 2023 9:08 am

Floofybit wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Another reason not to ban porn is it’s an entire industry that creates jobs and is some people’s livelihood. Why take that away from them simply because you don’t like it?

I follow a guy on Instagram who’s originally from Venezuela and now lives in London working for a studio called Lucas. He used the money he made in adult entertainment to get his family out of Venezuela. They now live in Spain.

Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

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Postby Floofybit » Mon May 08, 2023 9:09 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

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What does being a gay furry have to do with this?
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Postby Past beans » Mon May 08, 2023 9:09 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Indeed. Like a bloated surveillance state, for example.

However, people should get what they need.

Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.
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Postby Unmet Player » Mon May 08, 2023 9:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 08, 2023 9:09 am

Floofybit wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Indeed. Like a bloated surveillance state, for example.

However, people should get what they need.

Like the ability to have consensual sex with whoever, and film it should the parties wish. Maybe monetize that as well, at least as long as we're in a capitalist hellscape where that matters.
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Past beans wrote:
Floofybit wrote:However, people should get what they need.

Which would be money. From an industry that pays them. Pornography is an industry that pays people.

There are many better industries that pay them, porn isn't the only job that pays.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon May 08, 2023 9:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.

But why ban it?

What rehabilitation does this person need? If it’s consenting adults who cares? No one is making you watch it.

There are some people who are legitimately forced into doing sex or porn work because they have no other options. If someone is in that position and does not want to resort to it, he or she should absolutely receive assistance to avoid that.
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New-Minneapolis wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Ban it, and give the workers rehabilitation if needed and new jobs. Any step it takes to get rid of it.


Some adults want to be sex workers. If it's consenting adults, why force them to find other work?


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