Should Pornography be banned in the US?

[Arval Va]

Enjoy trying to enforce that, buddy. The biggest black market of all time and the rise of the smutlords.

Increase the police force than.

K-9 units aren't very effective on the internet.

[Jewish Underground State]

I am someone of faith and I see no reason why pornography ought to be banned.

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

And not everyone believes in a lord. Why should people follow a law based on a faith they don't believe in?

[San Lumen]

I am someone of faith and I see no reason why pornography ought to be banned.

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

I don't consider it a sin and I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that says pornography is a sin.

[Floofybit]

Increase the police force than.

K-9 units aren't very effective on the internet.

Then we need screen watching and cyberpolice.

[Diarcesia]

Increase the police force than.

K-9 units aren't very effective on the internet.

No. That would require home surveillance and enough police to apprehend someone in 15 minutes or something.

[Jewish Underground State]

K-9 units aren't very effective on the internet.

Then we need screen watching and cyberpolice.

You know what make this all easier, maybe instead of trying to stop the demand you meet the demand and regulate which kinds of porn is used

[Orcuo]

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[Floofybit]

Congratulations, this silly thread has made it to 1,000.

[Diarcesia]

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

I don't consider it a sin and I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that says pornography is a sin.

It's exegesis and goes something like this. "Extramarital sex is a sin. Porn shows sex. Man gets urges to have sex with someone not their spouse/masturbation is sex with self. Therefore, porn is sin."

This line of thinking is why bans on celebrating Christmas and dancing happened.

[Floofybit]

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

I don't consider it a sin and I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that says pornography is a sin.

Matthew 5:28

[Diarcesia]

Congratulations, this silly thread has made it to 1,000.

Anything touching porn gets many people's, uhm, knickers on a twist.

[San Lumen]

K-9 units aren't very effective on the internet.

Then we need screen watching and cyberpolice.

No we don't.

What should the person in London I keep mentioning have done? Struggled to get by and hoped he could get his family out with the little money he was making and not have the beautiful apartment he does and his family safe?

Pornography is not lust.

[Delvian States]

I don't consider it a sin and I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that says pornography is a sin.

It's exegesis and goes something like this. "Extramarital sex is a sin. Porn shows sex. Man gets urges to have sex with someone not their spouse/masturbation is sex with self. Therefore, porn is sin."

This line of thinking is why bans on celebrating Christmas and dancing happened.

This kind of thinking almost makes me wish that the Bible was never translated. Almost. But it would be even worse if it wasn't. We'd all be taking orders from the Pope.

[Diarcesia]

Then we need screen watching and cyberpolice.

You know what make this all easier, maybe instead of trying to stop the demand you meet the demand and regulate which kinds of porn is used

Stopping the demand is theoretically feasible if everyone is dead set on it. It would require redirecting peoples' urges on something else other than sex though. For it to be successful, it has to be the citizenry's own choice. A top-down ban will not work.

[Fahran]

I am someone of faith and I see no reason why pornography ought to be banned.

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

I mean, historically, sin has been criminalized. The emergence of liberalism and modern conceptions of tolerance began as a result of trying to facilitate a working compromise between religious groups that had previously clashed. That goes out the window when we begin discussing ideological hegemonies that aren't a very bland, noncommittal liberalism.

[Jewish Underground State]

You know what make this all easier, maybe instead of trying to stop the demand you meet the demand and regulate which kinds of porn is used

Stopping the demand is theoretically feasible if everyone is dead set on it. It would require redirecting peoples' urges on something else other than sex though. For it to be successful, it has to be the citizenry's own choice. A top-down ban will not work.

And since we are talking about porn getting everyone to agree to ban porn will never happen.

[Fahran]

This kind of thinking almost makes me wish that the Bible was never translated. Almost. But it would be even worse if it wasn't. We'd all be taking orders from the Pope.

Nah. You could always heed the patriarchs in Constantinople or Moscow.

Or embrace Islam. Or become a militant Buddhist.

[Diarcesia]

It almost always boils down to "God hates sin. We love God. So sin must be criminalized."

I mean, historically, sin has been criminalized. The emergence of liberalism and modern conceptions of tolerance began as a result of trying to facilitate a working compromise between religious groups that had previously clashed. That goes out the window when we begin discussing ideological hegemonies that aren't a very bland, noncommittal liberalism.

In my opinion, it was largely decriminalized not because society became more accepting of the behaviors, but because of the degrees of historical disproportionate enforcement.

[Hispida]

They're all vices. The difference is that society's more accepting of alcohol and drugs these days.

Yes, but porn is more digital than pyshical, making it easier to ban.

exact opposite, honestly. i can name, like, five websites off the top of my head where i can pirate the latest video games. they haven't even been touched by the government. hell, one of my background tabs right now is a site to pirate anime.

[Fahran]

By "industry", it's Big Porn in particular.

I'm not really certain it's a substantive difference in all honesty given porn production and hosting in the US and Europe is largely a hierarchical oligopoly. But, yeah, it doesn't really matter if y'all know who bell hooks - she's a feminist author - is. The basic point remains broadly true and has been written on extensively. I'm just taking the extra step of proposing revolution over reform - the usual logic here is that genuine reform is impossible.

As I mentioned before, this isn't my perspective, but it is one of the left-wing perspectives that is well-considered and well-reasoned.

[Ryemarch]

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Your body is sacred and should be kept clothed from the public. People can look at you out of real life if you're cute, but not for your swimsuit-covered parts.

If we lock away the sacred, why are we surprised when the profane rises up?

That's the point. People should get to know a man— or woman— before being intimate.

Because?

Increase the police force than.

Because if there's one thing the US is short on, it's cops. /s

Matthew 5:28

That's about lustful thoughts, which goes even beyond your ideal antiprivacy police state and into the realm of thoughtcrime.

[Fahran]

In my opinion, it was largely decriminalized not because society became more accepting of the behaviors, but because of the degrees of historical disproportionate enforcement.

In all honesty, the degree of historical disproportionate enforcement has been exaggerated in the public consciousness of late. Most people here probably don't have an educated understanding of either the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, especially if they've relied on popular media.

[Fahran]

If we lock away the sacred, why are we surprised when the profane rises up?

Feels pretty heretical, anon, not going to lie.

[Jewish Underground State]

If we lock away the sacred, why are we surprised when the profane rises up?


Because?


Because if there's one thing the US is short on, it's cops. /s

That's about lustful thoughts, which goes even beyond your ideal antiprivacy police state and into the realm of thoughtcrime.

I wouldn't use the term "thoughtcrime" but we go back to the war on drugs mindset. Floof is assuming that the police will be good at their job but as we've seen that isn't guaranteed. Its just a lot of unnecessary work for everyone involved

[Techocracy101010]

Once again to all the authoritarians why can you not leave people alone who are not hurting others. Like what psychological defect is making you feel that you need to regulate other peoples up to using violence of the state to subjugate them . Do you really think i would be a better citizen after your jack boots beat my teeth in with a billy club and throw me in a cell for 3 years cause i had a copy of hustler? No thats how you get a 5,000 lbs anfo bomb shipped to the morality polices hq . Like do you really think you could do that to a country of 340 million and effectively use the police? Like come on now the population will resist up to the point of violence . How many dead folk would it take for you to admit your moral crusade is as absurd as it is impotent?