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Canadian Liberals endorse CANZUK

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This is the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will eventually happen and I support it.
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This is the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will eventually happen and I oppose it.
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This is the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will not happen and I support it.
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This is the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will not happen and I oppose it.
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This is not the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will not happen and I support it.
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This is not the beginning of more parties endorsing CANZUK. It will not happen and I oppose it.
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Canadian Liberals endorse CANZUK

Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun May 07, 2023 3:02 pm

https://www.canzukinternational.com/202 ... anzuk.html

More than 10,000 Liberal Party of Canada members took part in the party’s Open Policy Process for the 2023 National Liberal Convention, held from May 4th to May 6th in Ottawa.

As part of the process, Liberal Party members were invited to submit policy proposals for the Party to officially adopt, which would be voted upon at the National Convention. The top 24 highest-voted policies would become official policy heading into the next election (currently scheduled for on or before October 2025).

Of the 24 highest voted upon policies, freedom of movement between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom placed in the Top 10, with overwhelming support from party delegates.


This means that both the Liberal and Conservative parties of Canada have now endorsed CANZUK, joining the UK Conservative party. 72% of Labour MPs have also endorsed the proposal, but it is not as of yet party policy.

Polling indicates majority support among the public in all proposed members as well.

I think that this may well prompt other parties to begin proposing the measure, especially as it is a relatively "Easy" win and a popular policy in an age of populism.

Discuss the implications, future, etc, of CANZUK and political endorsements of it.

I support CANZUK. I believe that CANZUK can form a third and more globally orientated organization which can serve as the third pillar of the western world alongside the US and EU, and perhaps eventually reform into an organization that would include the likes of Japan and South Korea, or have a "Mandala" like system whereby the core CANZUK nations have those nations in close ties with the organization and form a part of its bloc. I think this would be beneficial to all and beneficial to global security and the western hegemonic order.
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Postby Jellian Federation » Sun May 07, 2023 3:05 pm

This sounds like a great idea.

It might have some security implications, as they are not right next to each other, however.
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Postby Drongonia » Sun May 07, 2023 3:07 pm

I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun May 07, 2023 3:09 pm

Drongonia wrote:I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.


Which people are you discussing?
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Postby Drongonia » Sun May 07, 2023 3:11 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Drongonia wrote:I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.


Which people are you discussing?

Those who meet the UK's citizenship requirements but not ours.

Really, I'd prefer nobody else from anywhere was allowed freedom of movement into this country simply due to housing and infrastructural issues.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 07, 2023 3:20 pm

Can we throw in US and Australia too?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun May 07, 2023 3:23 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Can we throw in US and Australia too?


Australia is a part of the CANZUK proposal. The USA is not. Sort of defeats the point.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 07, 2023 3:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Can we throw in US and Australia too?


Australia is a part of the CANZUK proposal. The USA is not. Sort of defeats the point.


Would be cool to have freedom of movement among all of them, though.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun May 07, 2023 3:34 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Australia is a part of the CANZUK proposal. The USA is not. Sort of defeats the point.


Would be cool to have freedom of movement among all of them, though.

The population of the US is bigger than all the others combined, so they’d basically just be integrating themselves as territories lol
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 07, 2023 3:36 pm

Drongonia wrote:I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.

Neolib globalism is good actually
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 07, 2023 3:42 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Would be cool to have freedom of movement among all of them, though.

The population of the US is bigger than all the others combined, so they’d basically just be integrating themselves as territories lol

The United States of the World would be very cool.
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Postby Drongonia » Sun May 07, 2023 3:43 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Drongonia wrote:I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.

Neolib globalism is good actually

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Postby Nilokeras » Sun May 07, 2023 3:43 pm

Lots of things get endorsed as policy in Liberal conventions. Notably the Liberal party membership endorsed UBIs in 2014, 2016 and 2018. Despite the Liberals being in power for all of that time period, Canada does not have a UBI. The Liberal party is an amorphous beige blob that mostly exists to provide the ideological wallpaper required to keep Canada's business elites in charge, and is famous for completely disregarding its membership's attempts to drive policy. This is totally meaningless.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 07, 2023 3:45 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Neolib globalism is good actually

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That's me! :lol:
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Postby Drongonia » Sun May 07, 2023 3:48 pm

Nilokeras wrote:Lots of things get endorsed as policy in Liberal conventions. Notably the Liberal party membership endorsed UBIs in 2014, 2016 and 2018. Despite the Liberals being in power for all of that time period, Canada does not have a UBI. The Liberal party is an amorphous beige blob that mostly exists to provide the ideological wallpaper required to keep Canada's business elites in charge, and is famous for completely disregarding its membership's attempts to drive policy. This is totally meaningless.

That right there is a rare post of yours that gives me hope :hug:

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 07, 2023 3:50 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Can we throw in US and Australia too?

If CANZUK wants to become another extension of the American order, sure.

If they want to become a peer power to the US and EU, then just the latter. I think Australia is already eyed as a prospective member in the proposal anyway.
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Postby Chaolan » Sun May 07, 2023 3:55 pm

Drongonia wrote:I oppose CANZUK as I don't want people who were easily able to get into the UK to come here (NZ). It's just a cringe globalist neolib union/all-round garbage idea.


To be fair considering how shit the UK is I’d happily move to NZ, Australia or Canada thanks to Canzuk. So I guess I’m a cringe globalist neolib who wants to take your jobs

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Postby Nilokeras » Sun May 07, 2023 3:56 pm

And like the Liberal party in its modern incarnation is also infamously disinterested in foreign policy in general - its government is currently embroiled in a rolling series of scandals about Chinese political interference in the country that seem to have cropped up because the nucleus of decisionmakers in the Prime Minister's office were out to lunch, and some cabal of China hawks in the Canadian security services decided to start gossiping to the press about it. It's very much a party that likes being in power but doesn't like actually governing all that much, because that involves making difficult decisions and doing actual politics outside of the prerogative powers of the Prime Minister through Orders-in-Council, which are mercifully not subject to things like democratic oversight.

This is not a government that is going to do anything as bold or complex as changing our security policy, just straight up.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 07, 2023 4:05 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Can we throw in US and Australia too?

If CANZUK wants to become another extension of the American order, sure.

If they want to become a peer power to the US and EU, then just the latter. I think Australia is already eyed as a prospective member in the proposal anyway.


Yeah, I glossed over the part about Australia already being part of the proposal. Sloppy reading on my end.
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Postby Rusticus I Damianus » Sun May 07, 2023 4:09 pm

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Postby Austra-lia » Sun May 07, 2023 4:11 pm

Australian here. While I'm not opposed to the idea of CANZUK, I believe we're best to move on for policies that aligns us towards geopolitical arena that is closer than entities that are quite far from us especially Canada, and the United Kingdom. I don't see it as a viable option for an Australian.
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Postby Terminus Station » Sun May 07, 2023 4:24 pm

Im conflicted on this, on one hand I want easier immigration between the commonwealth countries, but on the other, our housing crisis is on full meltdown mode here in Canada and we don't have the homes to house residents let alone immigrants.
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Postby Rusticus I Damianus » Sun May 07, 2023 4:25 pm

Terminus Station wrote:Im conflicted on this, on one hand I want easier immigration between the commonwealth countries, but on the other, our housing crisis is on full meltdown mode here in Canada and we don't have the homes to house residents let alone immigrants.

You guys as well?
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Sun May 07, 2023 4:32 pm

the united states of america should threaten military intervention into canada if we are not invited into canzuk, we must be in every alliance canada is in to protect canada, and to protect canada from anti-american interests
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Postby Austra-lia » Sun May 07, 2023 4:36 pm

Terminus Station wrote:Im conflicted on this, on one hand I want easier immigration between the commonwealth countries, but on the other, our housing crisis is on full meltdown mode here in Canada and we don't have the homes to house residents let alone immigrants.

I did also forgot to mention, the housing crisis in Melbourne and Sydney is in rough shape at this stage, hence I don't think we should be addressing the CANZUK as a priority.
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